List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[GingerDocker]

just sounds like Close is negotiating for a larger contract with Geelong. Just the usual.

Him and Jack Martin have a thing going on.

 

[E Shed]

I have been thinking the same thing, they are very similar archetypes but Warner is just better.

Warner wasn’t rated particularly highly in his draft year. No stand out attributes was a common theme in draft write up’s. He’s improved many areas of his game out of sight.
NOD is looking like a serious footballer his last couple of outings. No reason he won’t continue improving. Strikes me as a player not even close to his ceiling.

 

[Nodgey]

The hill I will die on and why I won't give up on it is that we are far far better off with Bolton/Pickett then Bolton/Warner

I'd prefer Pickett/Warner if given the choice.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I'd prefer Pickett/Warner if given the choice.

I'd agree in a vacuum but I'm pretty sure a very large part of Pickett supposedly wanting us is that he and Bolton are good friends and have young kids together so I think Bolton is mandatory (not to mention he's the only one that has actually asked for a trade haha).

 

[Vimal Anand]

But those 2 clubs obviously academy and trading players that other teams developed? The draft success mentioned is same for other clubs?

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[malpaso]

Bolton/Pickett are elite for their position and those types are scarce. They would go much further to addressing our weaknesses than having Warner per say.
Warner would be great to have but the other two have more currency for our list at the moment IMO.

 

[Cobbler]

Here’s the play by play.

Houston requests Melbourne. Stalemate. Demons aren’t using pick 5.

Bolton to Freo. We give up 9&16. We get some inconsequential stuff back.

Pickett becomes the key to unlock Houston.

We use 10 and a mass swapping of picks between the 3 clubs.

We get Bolton and Pickett. Keep our F1.

With 3 days left in the trade period, Warner sounds out Freo. Freo collectively lose their minds as we’ve given all draft capital away.

We place one Bailey Banfield

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Bailey Banfield

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26

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190cm

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88kg

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13.6

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7.2

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6.5

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2.9

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3.9

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0.3

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9.5

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5.3

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4.3

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2.0

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2.8

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0.5

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14.4

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7.6

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6.8

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3.8

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3.2

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0.2

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on the table and allow a bidding war to ensue. North pay overs for Banfield and we have the assets to bring in Warner.

We land Bolton, Pickett and Warner.

We finish 2025 in 7th and eliminated to Carton away.

We all know this is 84% chance accurate.

 

[freo84]

Here’s the play by play.

Houston requests Melbourne. Stalemate. Demons aren’t using pick 5.

Bolton to Freo. We give up 9&16. We get some inconsequential stuff back.

Pickett becomes the key to unlock Houston.

We use 10 and a mass swapping of picks between the 3 clubs.

We get Bolton and Pickett. Keep our F1.

With 3 days left in the trade period, Warner sounds out Freo. Freo collectively lose their minds as we’ve given all draft capital away.

We place one Bailey Banfield on the table and allow a bidding war to ensue. North pay overs for Banfield and we have the assets to bring in Warner.

We land Bolton, Pickett and Warner.

We finish 2025 in 7th and eliminated to Carton away.

We all know this is 84% chance accurate.

Then the endless threads of "We Would have beaten Carlton if we didn't trade Banfield"..begin.

 

[Moo]

This is going to be a trade season of complexity.

In our current list - upgrades on Bailey Banfield

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Bailey Banfield

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26

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190cm

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88kg

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Fwd

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13.6

3star

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7.2

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.5

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.2

3star

, JOM & Walters is what I'd like to see in the starting 22.

Bolton in almost ticks 2 of those boxes plus I'm still of the view Erasmus can compete given opportunities.

I don't mind Bailey as depth at all.

 

[freo_leo29]

Yes and the clubs seeking to match bids later do get to match a later pick but their own selections move back by a greater amount due to the exponential curve of the value.

Usually their later picks actually move up the draft as clubs generally compile a raft of later selections that get eaten up the first bid

 

[Rhufus]

To be honest I'm not overly familiar with your B22 (I'm often not with oppo teams anymore as I don't watch as much neutral footy as I used to because the game is less pleasing to watch now haha).

Do you have a B22 I can review?

Are they likely to all be fit all the time?

Obviously this is just my selection, others will have something different.

Walker Pearce Chapman
Ryan Cox Clark
Sharp Fyfe ODriscoll
Sturt Treacy Frederick
Bolton Amiss Switta

Darcy Brayshaw Serong

Young Johnson Wagner Jackson

 

[Docker82]

Brendon Parfitt delisted by Geelong. If Jack Martin

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Jack Martin

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29

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16.2

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10.0

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6.3

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4.9

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3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

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7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

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3.6

4star

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1.1

5star

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8.2

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4.6

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3.6

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1.8

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2.0

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0.6

3star

was the best player delisted so far we might we'll have a new leader.

No saying it's us but I'd be shocked if he's not back on an AFL list quite soon.

 

[Joao]

Parfitt feels like someone who'll get rookied by a contender.

 

[malpaso]

Parfitt feels like someone who'll get rookied by a contender.

We need a tagger, he'd fit the bill.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

That's actually a pretty crazy list turnover from Geelong. 9 players delisted or retired, getting Smith which will take multiple picks and with just the standard 4 picks in the draft as it stands.

Martin is absolutely going there for free and they are drafting DEEP in this draft

 

[Joao]

We need a tagger, he'd fit the bill.

No way he gets a regular game here.

 

[Dockeroo]

That's actually a pretty crazy list turnover from Geelong. 9 players delisted or retired, getting Smith which will take multiple picks and with just the standard 4 picks in the draft as it stands.

Martin is absolutely going there for free and they are drafting DEEP in this draft

Can we remember this when the perennial argument from some posters begins that we are turning over too many players on our list and we need to slow down the turnover and stabilise the list because that’s what top 4 teams do?

Like every other year we should be averaging 7-8 players departing and the same amount of new players incoming on our list, that’s just standard, afl average list turnover.

If anything the AFL want even more trades and player movement not less.
And let’s not even mention Tasmania…..

 

[The Feeder Club]

Gold Coast will probably again give Geelong a player and a first round pick to take that player. That will help balance their list

 

[mayne iac]

Worrying Geelong are going deep.

 

[Docker82]

That's actually a pretty crazy list turnover from Geelong. 9 players delisted or retired, getting Smith which will take multiple picks and with just the standard 4 picks in the draft as it stands.

Martin is absolutely going there for free and they are drafting DEEP in this draft

Surely you try get a fourth rounder for Parfitt if you're going deep in the draft tbh. Probably moreso than normal.

With that many cuts they're clearly going deep. Probably adding some depth players for **** all as well.

 

[ignoramus]

Can we remember this when the perennial argument from some posters begins that we are turning over too many players on our list and we need to slow down the turnover and stabilise the list because that’s what top 4 teams do?

Like every other year we should be averaging 7-8 players departing and the same amount of new players incoming on our list, that’s just standard, afl average list turnover.

If we can also remember that not all trades/delistings are equivalent and that there is a difference between "list" and "best 23". I haven't seen many arguments that we need to keep, e.g., Stanley for list stability reasons. If it's Switta we're talking about, on the other hand, I think the point about stability (just as importantly, experience too) is significant.

I understand that you're thinking about the suggestions every year that we re-sign the vast majority of OCCs and just draft one or two rookies, but I take it you're not in favour of trading out our top 5 in the Doig purely for the sake of hitting the 7–8 player turnover average.

 

[Dockeroo]

If we can also remember that not all trades/delistings are equivalent and that there is a difference between "list" and "best 23". I haven't seen many arguments that we need to keep, e.g., Stanley for list stability reasons. If it's Switta we're talking about, on the other hand, I think the point about stability (just as importantly, experience too) is significant.

I understand that you're thinking about the suggestions every year that we re-sign the vast majority of OCCs and just draft one or two rookies, but I take it you're not in favour of trading out our top 5 in the Doig purely for the sake of hitting the 7–8 player turnover average.

Of course not.
I want to keep all our good players.
Despite his flaws I rate Switta as an important piece in a good team if surrounded by guys that can compensate for his weaknesses.

It’s when you read on here that we should give the likes of Kuek another year, or Stanley, or even giving players in the 22-30 rating on the list multi year deals like Worner (lucky boy that he’s contracted this year in my opinion) or the 4 year Brodie deal or the 3 year Hughes one, things like that.

Losing established talent to trades should not mean a player at the bottom end of the list gets an extra year as “depth”.

 

[Lach72]

Worrying Geelong are going deep.

They’re good at the late picks

 

[Wray27]

We need a tagger, he'd fit the bill.

We have a tagger but the coach refuses to use him.

 

[Alfonz]

Surely you try get a fourth rounder for Parfitt if you're going deep in the draft tbh. Probably moreso than normal.

With that many cuts they're clearly going deep. Probably adding some depth players for **** all as well.

Not worth the hassle. All it would be is something in the 50's, and by then clubs are dropping out and/or teams can get whoever they want. Geelong can just use their 5th, 6th, 7th rounders after everyone else has stopped. Last year they took picks 58, 61, 63 for example.