List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Yeti]

Jack Martin

21

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

?

Jesus Christ, gouge my eyes out with a spoon.

 

[MadMundy]

Why do we go after all the promising WA talent at the wrong time, O'Meara and Martin would have been ****ing great to have years ago.

 

[apuchar]

Why do we go after all the promising WA talent at the wrong time, O'Meara and Martin would have been ****ing great to have years ago.

They wouldn't have come to us then. We tried to get O'Meara before he went to the Hawks and very few WA guys leave a club like Carlton to come to us until they are washed up.

 

[guidodp15]

I do not want to lose sturt he is so valuable as a 3rd tall and an automatic goal from a set shot he is only getting better.

Bolton on 1.1m is suicide. great player and I want him but if I was writing the cheques I would not sign off on it.


If sturt does leave what do we get for him?

 

[FreoRicci]

Jack Martin

21

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

?
Hasn’t ever played a great game that’s even worthy of a third rounder. Plus injured 70% of the season.

Spud

 

[FreoRicci]

Why do we go after all the promising WA talent at the wrong time, O'Meara and Martin would have been ****ing great to have years ago.

Just thank the lucky stars that we didn’t.
Both went to Carlton and Hawthorn, and been injured majority of the time. JOM did his knee and was never the same
No thanks.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

If 12 months ago someone told you we could trade Schultz and our first rounder for Bolton and a bright young prospect(Simpson). Would you have said yes?

Will still have a first and a good second to use in the draft if Baker is out of the picture. Provided we don't do anything stupid and waste a good pick on a Martin type in a trade.

 

[purplerunsdeep2]

So skimming through the pages, to summarise

In
Bolton


Maybe
Martin
Baker


Out
Sturt
Switta

Sturt and Switta will get us 2 x seconds at best

Ignoring what we get from the draft, I don't think we are net stronger

And the Martin decision is just plain ***** dumb


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[go_the_dockers]

If 12 months ago someone told you we could trade Schultz and our first rounder for Bolton and a bright young prospect(Simpson). Would you have said yes?

Will still have a first and a good second to use in the draft if Baker is out of the picture. Provided we don't do anything stupid and waste a good pick on a Martin type in a trade.

If someone said we could trade Weller for Schultz would you do it??
Probably

But that does not mean you trade Pick 2 for Schultz, once you get that for Weller. Of course not.

Once you get overs for 1 trade, you don't give away the advantage you got because Collingwood surprisingly dropping down the ladder

 

[Alfonz]

I find it hard to believe we'd be interested in Jack Martin when part of our problem is the ball waltzing out of our forward line.. he doesn't help fix that..

He's not actually that bad. Wouldn't say he is a pressure machine, but he can at least stick a tackle (a few examples below) and make a smother. He has quite a hard body and uses it. A bit like the Mzungu frame.

I understand the melts based on his age and injury history, but he's an AFL standard forward when he is on the park. He performed well in finals last year when it mattered. And we lack medium forward options even if Sturt stays.

If we need to be giving him 300-400k to sign him up, it's a massive no. If he is on minimum wage and it's a DFA type pick up, it's not the end of the world even if he ends up injured.

 

[malpaso]

He's not actually that bad. Wouldn't say he is a pressure machine, but he can at least stick a tackle (a few examples below) and make a smother. He has quite a hard body and uses it. A bit like the Mzungu frame.

I understand the melts based on his age and injury history, but he's an AFL standard forward when he is on the park. He performed well in finals last year when it mattered. And we lack medium forward options even if Sturt stays.

If we need to be giving him 300-400k to sign him up, it's a massive no. If he is on minimum wage and it's a DFA type pick up, it's not the end of the world even if he ends up injured.

Yeah he basically got the Blues into the finals last year with his play. I guess it's his injury history and age profile, also the fact that we need crumbing agile small forwards with goal nous.
Makes me wonder if we are targeting him because we know Sturt is a big change to depart.

 

[pK75]

Yeah he basically got the Blues into the finals last year with his play. I guess it's his injury history and age profile, also the fact that we need crumbing agile small forwards with goal nous.
Makes me wonder if we are targeting him because we know Sturt is a big change to depart.

We’re targeting him because Walters is cooked and any new draftees will take a couple of years to come on.

 

[Swan Districts Kid]

Club would be doing its due diligence on Martin on the presumption he'll get delisted by Blues.

Carlton's S&C management is terrible, so Freo would be assessing whether they can better manage his soft tissue injuries.

Could be a low cost/low probability/high upside DFA opportunity, but then again maybe it isn't - that's what due diligence is for I guess.

Bolton & a fit Martin has more danger than Banfield & Emmett.

 

[Ge3ks]

If 12 months ago someone told you we could trade Schultz and our first rounder for Bolton and a bright young prospect(Simpson). Would you have said yes?

Start the car! Start the caaaaaaaar!!!

 

[sansian]

If Bolton wants to break his contract with Richmond and play for Freo, why does Freo or Richmond need to cover his wage?

I see a lot of, he'll come to Freo but Richmond will pay some of this wage. Surely he forgoes anything in the Richmond contract and he works out with Freo how much he gets paid.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Start the car! Start the caaaaaaaar!!!

100%!! Now we just need to keep Sturt and Hopefully Switta and that is a serious forward line. Draft this Berry kid everyone keeps going on about with the other first and a winger/outside mid who can kick with the Saints 2nd and we are sweet.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

If Bolton wants to break his contract with Richmond and play for Freo, why does Freo or Richmond need to cover his wage?

I see a lot of, he'll come to Freo but Richmond will pay some of this wage. Surely he forgoes anything in the Richmond contract and he works out with Freo how much he gets paid.

Ideally yeah but if you signed a contract for 1.2 million a year are you giving any of that back?

 

[Cobbler]

If Bolton wants to break his contract with Richmond and play for Freo, why does Freo or Richmond need to cover his wage?

I see a lot of, he'll come to Freo but Richmond will pay some of this wage. Surely he forgoes anything in the Richmond contract and he works out with Freo how much he gets paid.

Yes, that is what happens. A new contract is drawn up, but a team can still have the old team pay part of a new contract.

It’s why we’ve been shafted a few times because players have left towards the end of their contracts when they’re on the lower dollars.

Front loading may be good to entice a player over, but harder to keep them at the end if they’re about the money, which is what Lobb, Henry, Hill, Neale and others would’ve been about.

I think we’ve learned from that and are signing long deals and salaries are likely spread systematically.

If Bolton is on $1.1 over next 4 years I think we’ll try to smooth it out over say 6 years with a slight increase and ask Richmond to cover some.

Maybe $5.5 total over 6. Richmond pay off $1.5 over next ~3 years. Effectively $4million over 6 years, but we’ll pay overs with picks.

I feel it will go down like this.

 

[Alfonz]

If Bolton wants to break his contract with Richmond and play for Freo, why does Freo or Richmond need to cover his wage?

I see a lot of, he'll come to Freo but Richmond will pay some of this wage. Surely he forgoes anything in the Richmond contract and he works out with Freo how much he gets paid.

Because he is already on 1.2 million, and Freo can't afford to match that. If he forgoes his contract and works out a new one that has nothing to do with Richmond, he stands to lose a few million dollars. The only way he gets what he signed up for is if Richmond pay a large chunk of it.

Richmond will also be struggling to meet their minimum payments threshold, so it is an opportunity to buy an extra first rounder for them.

 

[Wray27]

Ideally yeah but if you signed a contract for 1.2 million a year are you giving any of that back?

You are if you want to break the contract.
If we were in the US sports situation and wanted a trade, sure trades include salary differential, but we aren’t.
Only reason for Richmond to agree to pay any part of his salary is for more draft capital.

 

[Taylor]

I am lead to believe we have a big salary cap chunk available, seven figures, in 2025 so if Richmond were to front up the salary for Bolton and we front load the rest, he could be playing for us in 2026 onwards for 400k a year.

 

[King Huskii]

100%!! Now we just need to keep Sturt and Hopefully Switta and that is a serious forward line. Draft this Berry kid everyone keeps going on about with the other first and a winger/outside mid who can kick with the Saints 2nd and we are sweet.

Because of cap space for both clubs

 

[ilikepotatoes]

I've liked the glimpses Hansen Jnr has shown at AFL level to to end this season.

He's out of contract and we were reportedly keen at the midseason draft.

 

[David Bubb]

Based on his Instagram story am I to believe Switta got his kitchen re-tiled yesterday? Surely you're not doing that if you're requesting a trade lol

 

[Stinky Lomax]

Hate to be this guy, but based on his Instagram story am I to believe Switta got his kitchen re-tiled yesterday? Surely you're not doing that if you're requesting a trade lol

Maybe he’s doing it up to sell?