List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Dayts]

We'd be in the mix, but I think the lack of experience of a number of guys means we probably wouldn't play like it consistently.

In 2-3 years though...

Agree.
Neale, zorko, & Joey plus a few others stood out as those experienced heads.
We’d struggle with that but be bloody exciting to watch tho.


We also need to pull some bloke who was destined for the scarpheap (AhChee) too rip a finals series apart as well ha ha

 

[kuhni]

What's Warner actually worth? Two mid-late firsts?

 

[Joao]

What's Warner actually worth? Two mid-late firsts?

 

[Cobbler]

What's Warner actually worth? Two mid-late firsts?

If we give up 9 and 16 for Bolton.

It leaves us with: 10,27 and our future picks.

Would literally cost us: 10, 27 and F1

Warner would have to make it clear he’s leaving end of 2025 anyway. Possibly clear out his locker and arrive back in Perth. Then Swans may accept.

 

[BStaff17]

My mail today before the game was Warner/Dean cox

Dean Cox

Age

43

Ht

203cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.9

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.5

3star

G

0.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.0

1star

could very well be a package deal go WC next year.

Its potentially why WC have been holding off announcing there coach.

The Cox denials is just PR spin to make the scent go away so there was no chatter during the Swans finals campaign

I suspect though today's result may force Sydney into a succession plan for 2026 with Cox to take over.

It's now or never for the Swans to make there move is Cox the man to take over after Longmire or not

I suspect Dean's management will ask the question now of Sydney how much longer do they want him to wait.

 

[Cobbler]

My mail today before the game was Warner/Dean cox could very well be a package deal go WC next year.

Its potentially why WC have been holding off announcing there coach.

The Cox denials is just PR spin to make the scent go away so there was no chatter during the Swans finals campaign

I suspect though today's result may force Sydney into a succession plan for 2026 with Cox to take over.

It's now or never for the Swans to make there move is Cox the man to take over after Longmire or not

I suspect Dean's management will ask the question now of Sydney how much longer do they want him to wait.

Your mail is wrong.

 

[Alfonz]

Two years out is still too far to get excited. There’s been too many that have projected good early on and done nothing.

Hope this guy succeeds though, cos he was originally in WC academy and we stole him from them.

That's a twisting of the truth. WC were the ones trying to do the stealing. He was only listed in their academy because they incorrectly claimed him. Quite the duplicitous behaviour. His farm didn't move and was always in our academy zone.

 

[malpaso]

My mail today before the game was Warner/Dean cox could very well be a package deal go WC next year.

Its potentially why WC have been holding off announcing there coach.

The Cox denials is just PR spin to make the scent go away so there was no chatter during the Swans finals campaign

I suspect though today's result may force Sydney into a succession plan for 2026 with Cox to take over.

It's now or never for the Swans to make there move is Cox the man to take over after Longmire or not

I suspect Dean's management will ask the question now of Sydney how much longer do they want him to wait.

Nice try disguising your opinion..

 

[88mph]

I’ve had a few brewskies also and may be bias, but I think if we added Bolton & Pickett we would be the best team on paper comfortably.
assuming our younger players continue to develop

I've also had a few brewskies. I think we can win the next 5 flags.

 

[guidodp15]

Alright so if anyone's interested - There are 52 players who have played 100+ games for us. I've counted 25 of those who have at least one son. There's a further 8 who I'm unsure of. To my knowledge, there are 9 that are old enough to have qualified for f/s in the past.

There are three 17 year olds (McManus, JL, Headland) though none of them are in the mix for f/s.

It’s a shame Kobe Farmer wasn’t good enough

 

[wakojako]

Alright so if anyone's interested - There are 52 players who have played 100+ games for us. I've counted 25 of those who have at least one son. There's a further 8 who I'm unsure of. To my knowledge, there are 9 that are old enough to have qualified for f/s in the past.

There are three 17 year olds (McManus, JL, Headland) though none of them are in the mix for f/s.

With McManus' genes I thought he would have produced a decent f/s pick.

 

[Madas]

Honest question. If Lions lost Daniher, McInerney and Harris Andrews, do you reckon they make the 8?

Maybe just but not much further
Andrew’s alone was pivotal for them this year

 

[s_wd6]

With McManus' genes I thought he would have produced a decent f/s pick.

3 of them and had em young too. Would’ve been nice if at least one was good enough

 

[MadMundy]

I might be drunk as **** right now but **** I'm excited for Bolton, even if we just get him I've wanted him for years now, keen to see what he does for us.

 

[Lach72]

Completely down the track, but there’s a kid for the 2026 draft that is projecting to be anything: Lucas Robinson (Freo NGA)

Long way off, but something to be excited about.

Yep great. After Brisbane get Levi Ashcroft and Sam Marshall cheap this year, we’ll get Robinson and Whan at a higher cost. Just tops

 

[Azz 27]

Watching Brisbane pick the zone a part was a thing of beauty.

And it super frustrating watching us go down the line again and again.

Do we have class in our back half to pick zones a part.

 

[Joao]

Watching Brisbane pick the zone a part was a thing of beauty.

And it super frustrating watching us go down the line again and again.

Do we have class in our back half to pick zones a part.

If the opposition only pressures at 160 we do. Reckon North would be a chance to pick them apart at those levels.

 

[Azz 27]

If the opposition only pressures at 160 we do. Reckon North would be a chance to pick them apart at those levels.

They did sit back and zone off a bit much. I didn't think letting Brisbane chip the ball in there back 50 hurt Sydney ,then next thing you know they have a goal.

I still feel we go down the line too much.

Who from our team could kick the ball between 3 opposition even with time and low pressure.

 

[Joao]

They did sit back and zone off a bit much. I didn't think letting Brisbane chip the ball in there back 50 hurt Sydney ,then next thing you know they have a goal.

I still feel we go down the line too much.

Who from our team could kick the ball between 3 opposition even with time and low pressure.

Under low pressure? Heaps of players. If you need evidence of how we can shred teams if they let us do that, watch the first Dees game.

But, I don't think its meaningful, because most teams won't let you do that in a GF, at least not for as long as the Swans did.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Under low pressure? Heaps of players. If you need evidence of how we can shred teams if they let us do that, watch the first Dees game.

But, I don't think its meaningful, because most teams won't let you do that in a GF, at least not for as long as the Swans did.

It’s moot anyway. We need lots of different woods depending on the situation. We should be masters of adaptability. Have a counter for whatever comes at us, with a clear plan on how to turn whatever that is into attack and drill that into the players repeatedly until it’s as natural as breathing.

I’m still waiting for JL to reveal his hidden genius. I don’t think it exists. Prove me wrong, please.

 

[Purpletown]

Good points you make.

I think generally on Bigfooty we talk about how if we could only replace player A and B with player C and D it would make all the difference in winning that elusive flag.

When in reality it is as much about coaching, teamwork, work ethic, club culture and all those intangibles which are just as important but are resistant to quick fixes at the draft/trade/selection table.

Very well put DockerDerek:

While the trade table might bring in a star player occasionally and our draft hand may bring in some talent who develop into valuable team members there is so much more that we can do right now to improve.

Darcy needs to get fit. Jackson needs to be only the second ruckman and never number one ruck. Most of our forwards need to improve their defensive efforts. We need to phase out Walters, Fyfe and JOM in favour of younger players. We need to find a way to remedy our slow starts. We need to remedy our 4th quarter fade outs in close games.

These are just a few things that will have just as much influence on our results as bringing in stars or drafting guns.

I am all for getting A grade talent into the club but equally keen that we explore every opportunity to develop what we already have. Bring on 2025.

 

[freo1997]

If Sydney somehow sack Longmire we should get in there immediately. You can’t tell me, them not venturing to the MCG enough and playing on such a small ground doesn’t hinder them on the last day of September! Longmire is a fantastic coach a regularly gets them to the pointy end.

I feel like Swans list is very overrated especially their defence and fwds. Got them to minor Premiership with those 3 hacks up front. That is good going. Honestly those 3 wouldn’t get a game over Amiss, Treacy and Jackson.

 

[arsesmart]

Watching Brisbane pick the zone a part was a thing of beauty.

And it super frustrating watching us go down the line again and again.

Do we have class in our back half to pick zones a part.

Brisvegas only moved away from going down the line as their standard plan because they were too dependent on their (too regularly flaky) talent doing it for them. And they did that very late and only as option B.

But all sides will have "kick down to the big men" as a get-out option. We were much more in the group that would favour breaking lines through handball-run though.

They're very much a talent-driving-gameplay, so were one of the more anachronistic strategy teams. Fagan is more a relationships coach than a strategy based coach.

I reckon their win yesterday was as much on Sydney being off as anything else. As the game wore on, the Lions' confidence flowed as the Swans' confidence ebbed.

 

[Catalpa]

In an even competition, is it too simple to say the finishing position of the first ten sides correlates closely to a ranking of their coaches?

 

[DQ 4EVER]

Brisvegas only moved away from going down the line as their standard plan because they were too dependent on their (too regularly flaky) talent doing it for them. And they did that very late and only as option B.

But all sides will have "kick down to the big men" as a get-out option. We were much more in the group that would favour breaking lines through handball-run though.

They're very much a talent-driving-gameplay, so were one of the more anachronistic strategy teams. Fagan is more a relationships coach than a strategy based coach.

I reckon their win yesterday was as much on Sydney being off as anything else. As the game wore on, the Lions' confidence flowed as the Swans' confidence ebbed.

Longmire is also very good with the players.
If he is moved on from Sydney, I feel we should do whatever we can to get him.

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