List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[go_the_dockers]

my thoughts:

• we have been in this comp 30 years for 0 premierships
• we have the most talented team we have ever had across the 23.
• we have solid depth when we need it
• our age/experience profile is coming into the window over the next few seasons.
• the next couple of years or so we have the most number of non-Vic teams facing up to finals

So, yes we could worry about our list profile in 5 years time (which will still be smart regardless), or
use some good picks to pull that final piece of the puzzle (star goal-kicking mid/forward and/or small goal kicking talent) that could be which gets us over the line at least once the next few years.
I suggest the latter. Whether it's The Chad, Petracca, Kosi, or anyone else we can crowbar out of their team, I don't care as long as they as good enough, fit our culture, and will make the difference, i.e. they need to be really worth it and make our team better (i.e. Jackson style). We saw what Bobby did at the Pies last year and in the GF. I would like someone who can do that please - the icing on the cake. I would rather be rebuilding in 5 years and spending my weekends watching re-runs of our GF wins.

We are set for a great 5 years to 10 I think. Any player we bring in, should be good for at least 5 years.

Christian Petracca is borderline. Charlie Cameron is no.
Chad and Kosi would be a yes.
Baker is a yes.

Jackson 22, Serong is 23, Brayshaw 24, Young 24, Treacy 22, Amiss 20, Darcy 25

Sharp, Chapman, Clark, Walker are all under 24.

Ryan and Pearce are 28, and should have 5 years more.
Cox is only 25.

That is 14 players you can build the next 5 year around, and 11 players you can build the next 10 years around.

Frederick, Switta, Johnson, Erasmus bring the 14 to 18 and you can see our depth is good for the next 10 years.
Draper, Davies are ready to replace any KPD injuries, or Ryan.

I think we should be targeting 10 years of top 4 football, and any player we bring must add to our dynasty (top 10 player on list, not bottom 10 or fill a hole). I am happy to hit the draft this year, or use one for Baker and then go all in for Warner.

Add Sturt, 3 first round draft picks this year, 1 early 2nd rounder, Banfield, plus a few depth players and the more you think about it, the depth is good to great. We just need some top end talent, small forwards and maybe some more run and carry.

 

[ubiquitous226]

my thoughts:

• we have been in this comp 30 years for 0 premierships
• we have the most talented team we have ever had across the 23.
• we have solid depth when we need it
• our age/experience profile is coming into the window over the next few seasons.
• the next couple of years or so we have the most number of non-Vic teams facing up to finals

So, yes we could worry about our list profile in 5 years time (which will still be smart regardless), or
use some good picks to pull that final piece of the puzzle (star goal-kicking mid/forward and/or small goal kicking talent) that could be which gets us over the line at least once the next few years.
I suggest the latter. Whether it's The Chad, Petracca, Kosi, or anyone else we can crowbar out of their team, I don't care as long as they as good enough, fit our culture, and will make the difference, i.e. they need to be really worth it and make our team better (i.e. Jackson style). We saw what Bobby did at the Pies last year and in the GF. I would like someone who can do that please - the icing on the cake. I would rather be rebuilding in 5 years and spending my weekends watching re-runs of our GF wins.

That's a big key for list management, how do you balance short term vs long term.

If you overrate your list you can go all in when you don't have the talent to actually challenge the very top.
I feel like we're fast approaching the time we need to prioritise the short term and let the longer term sort itself out.

I'm sure commercially there's a lot of benefit just being in the top 4 or thereabouts year after year, but I want the priority to be on winning the premiership which likely means trading for some difference makers in the next couple of years so they fit that 5 year timeframe.

 

[rgauci]

Alex Pearce

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Alex Pearce

Age

29

Ht

201cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

106.3

2star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

MG

103.2

2star

in form is absolutely critical. Don’t rate him at all last year, but this year he’s been in beast mode most of the year.

 

[Taylor]

Alex Pearce in form is absolutely critical. Don’t rate him at all last year, but this year he’s been in beast mode most of the year.

Amazing how not playing on one foot and one arm helps.

 

[Jezzitizle]

Really hope we give Banners 2 years, he’s a ripping bloke and he actually has a ping at the big sticks when he gets a chance. Bleeds purple. Not like he is after a 6 year deal, just a bit of security.

Wouldn’t be expensive you wouldn’t think, though I imagine his agent is going for the most he can given he is getting a game, and his age.

Pies GF side last year had a few such journeymen, as all premiers do.

 

[theGav56]

We have four very useful draft picks in this year's draft - this doesn't happen often. Whilst we can speculate about trading these picks to bring in some ready made players, with the team already on a promising trajectory we could think of the future. In the ideal world, we would have a long production line of solid players developing in the seconds ready to step into the firsts when opportunity arises and when some of the older players move on. In the long term, we need to have these guys developing without the need to throw them into the firsts before they are ready.

In addition, with Tassie coming into the competition soon and likely a few years of compromised drafts, it would be good to get a bit of a jump on other teams here.

Yes, but....

Decent players who lack opportunity leave, or get underpaid.

We could easily lose Reid, Brodie, Sturt, Voss, Banfield. They aren't end of the world losses, but we have regularly been losing best 22 players.

 

[poshman]

We are set for a great 5 years to 10 I think. Any player we bring in, should be good for at least 5 years.

Christian Petracca is borderline. Charlie Cameron is no.
Chad and Kosi would be a yes.
Baker is a yes.

Jackson 22, Serong is 23, Brayshaw 24, Young 24, Treacy 22, Amiss 20.

Sharp, Chapman, Clark, Walker are all under 24.

Ryan and Pearce are 28, and should have 5 years more.
Cox is only 25.

That is 13 players you can build the next 5 year around, and 10 players you can build the next 10 years around.

Frederick, Switta, Johnson, Erasmus bring the 13 to 17 and you can see our depth is good for the next 10 years.
Draper, Davies are ready to replace any KPD injuries, or Ryan.

I think we should be targeting 10 years of top 4 football, and any player we bring add to our dynasty. I am happy to hit the draft this year, or use one for Baker and then go all in for Warner.

This is Optimism thread worthy... and I agree, except Darcy needs to be on the list.

 

[ubiquitous226]

Yes, but....

Decent players who lack opportunity leave, or get underpaid.

We could easily lose Reid, Brodie, Sturt, Voss, Banfield. They aren't end of the world losses, but we have regularly been losing best 22 players.

I swear Reid went to the Eagles.
I'm sure I saw something in the papers about it

 

[wakojako]

Really hope we give Banners 2 years, he’s a ripping bloke and he actually has a ping at the big sticks when he gets a chance. Bleeds purple. Not like he is after a 6 year deal, just a bit of security.

Wouldn’t be expensive you wouldn’t think, though I imagine his agent is going for the most he can given he is getting a game, and his age.

Pies GF side last year had a few such journeymen, as all premiers do.

He is our climate/sustainability consultant. Literally just pay him through that or through his dad's business. 3 year deal shouldn't be much of a stretch if we can give Hughes 3 years.

 

[go_the_dockers]

This is Optimism thread worthy... and I agree, except Darcy needs to be on the list.

Had to miss someone.

 

[freo_leo29]

He is our climate/sustainability consultant. Literally just pay him through that or through his dad's business. 3 year deal shouldn't be much of a stretch if we can give Hughes 3 years.

If we blatantly break the cap rules it certainly won't be for Banfield

 

[theGav56]

I swear Reid went to the Eagles.
I'm sure I saw something in the papers about it

Y you are correct.

 

[ubiquitous226]

Y you are correct.

Or those we should definitely keep Banfield and Voss, I personally would like one more year for Sturt and Brodie would still be decent depth.

We'll need a ruck backup so if we lose or delist Reidy then we bring in someone else.

 

[Docker82]

Or those we should definitely keep Banfield and Voss, I personally would like one more year for Sturt and Brodie would still be decent depth.

We'll need a ruck backup so if we lose or delist Reidy then we bring in someone else.

Don't think we bring in anyone else if Reidy goes tbh.

He was needed because Knobel couldn't be the third ruck on our list at 18.

Reidy is much better than Scott Jones but we cut Jones loose when Lloyd Meek was at a similar stage to Knobel.

It might be a year by early to back Knobel as the third ruck but given how likely he is to actually play I would take that risk to draft a different player that could make much more impact towards a premiership than a 1-2 year stop gap ruck.

 

[Purple Suit]

That's a big key for list management, how do you balance short term vs long term.

If you overrate your list you can go all in when you don't have the talent to actually challenge the very top.
I feel like we're fast approaching the time we need to prioritise the short term and let the longer term sort itself out.

I'm sure commercially there's a lot of benefit just being in the top 4 or thereabouts year after year, but I want the priority to be on winning the premiership which likely means trading for some difference makers in the next couple of years so they fit that 5 year timeframe.

The balancing act will be the difference between zero flags, 1 or 3.

Going all in for 1 flag by trading all our picks and back end some deals would be stupid I think from our position. We have the biggest stack at the table but not all the cards have been turned over. Pushing one into next year could be a good move till a top end talent small forward appears.

 

[Boomer93]

I keep seeing people saying Erasmus or Brodie are the likely Fyfe replacements.

I highly disagree.

Mat Johnson is the Fyfe replacement, which has already happened this season. When Fyfe is out, Johnson takes those extra CBAs. Johnson is not an outside player, he's just filling that role atm because Stanley and NOD are injured/out of form, and we want to give Johnson minutes.

We don't need an extra inside midfielder to replace Fyfe, we need another winger to replace Johnson, who replaces Fyfe.

This leaves Erasmus in a pretty tough spot going forward, but it puts Brodie in a much worse situation, and that's why we really should look at trading Brodie.

 

[Taylor]

This leaves Erasmus in a pretty tough spot going forward

The irony is that if he did play forward a bit he would have far greater opportunities in the side.

 

[mayne iac]

I keep seeing people saying Erasmus or Brodie are the likely Fyfe replacements.

I highly disagree.

Mat Johnson is the Fyfe replacement, which has already happened this season. When Fyfe is out, Johnson takes those extra CBAs. Johnson is not an outside player, he's just filling that role atm because Stanley and NOD are injured/out of form, and we want to give Johnson minutes.

We don't need an extra inside midfielder to replace Fyfe, we need another winger to replace Johnson, who replaces Fyfe.

This leaves Erasmus in a pretty tough spot going forward, but it puts Brodie in a much worse situation, and that's why we really should look at trading Brodie.

Stanley?? Hahaha good one.

 

[Paracleet]

You can play four inside mids, If they all play on ball only then it just about fits in with 75% on field time. In practice thats not enough and most mids are going to be 80% on field. It 'works' for us because Fyfe and Young spend more than the average amount of time on the bench.

Anyway you can play 5 easily enough it just means one or more of them need to spend a material amount of time on a flank and at this point Young is the only one qualified to do that and not be taking too much away from whatever flank it is (even if most games, he isn't doing so at this point).

A lot will depend on how Johnson, Erasmus and Simpson develop. In the absence of a genuine quality thin side winger we may continue to opt to rotate inside mids through the position (I.e if at least 2 of them prove to be genuine quality AFL mids).

 

[rgauci]

You can play four inside mids, If they all play on ball only then it just about fits in with 75% on field time. In practice thats not enough and most mids are going to be 80% on field. It 'works' for us because Fyfe and Young spend more than the average amount of time on the bench.

Anyway you can play 5 easily enough it just means one or more of them need to spend a material amount of time on a flank and at this point Young is the only one qualified to do that and not be taking too much away from whatever flank it is (even if most games, he isn't doing so at this point).

A lot will depend on how Johnson, Erasmus and Simpson develop. In the absence of a genuine quality thin side winger we may continue to opt to rotate inside mids through the position (I.e if at least 2 of them prove to be genuine quality AFL mids).

Brayshaw, Young, Serong and Warner!!

 

[freo84]

Brayshaw, Young, Serong and Warner!!

 

[Purpletown]

Not sure why we would be speculating about Petraca coming to Freo, in the unlikely event he let Melbourne he would have the pick of the Melbourne or Northern clubs.

Is there actually any chat about him and Melbourne parting ways?

 

[Boomer93]

Stanley?? Hahaha good one.

Oh look I didn't even necessarily mean those two, just wingers in general. We will end up using someone else in that winger role, it won't be Johnson long term.

Could be Chapman, Wagner, Worner, Clark, Stanley, NOD, or easily someone recruited from another club like Baker.

My main point was we are already shoe horning an inside mid in to an outside role. When Fyfe goes out Erasmus or Brodie shouldn't even come in to the side, even this year, imo.

 

[Big Animal]

Not sure why we would be speculating about Petraca coming to Freo, in the unlikely event he let Melbourne he would have the pick of the Melbourne or Northern clubs.

Is there actually any chat about him and Melbourne parting ways?

we're not. We're proposing that someone of that calibre i.e. star mid that kicks goals and often makes the difference/brings a team back by switching momentum (e.g. a Petracca type/Warner/etc.) and/or a goal hungry small forward (e.g. Kosi/Rachele/Bobby) would be worth swapping picks for as it could make the difference between a premiership and being an almost there

 

[Purpletown]

we're not. We're proposing that someone of that calibre i.e. star mid that kicks goals and often makes the difference/brings a team back by switching momentum (e.g. a Petracca type/Warner/etc.) and/or a goal hungry small forward (e.g. Kosi/Rachele/Bobby) would be worth swapping picks for as it could make the difference between a premiership and being an almost there

OK, fair enough.