Finger nail deep analysis. We are basically garbage and irrelvant in the AFL. Ralphy probably doesn't even know who half the squad actually is.
Said we will come 16th.
End of story no need to read it now.
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Said we will come 16th.
End of story no need to read it now.
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I don't like Ralph and think he's pretty hopeless, but people complain when there's no coverage in the Vic media, then complain when there is coverage
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Just be careful guys. I'm not playing devil's advocate here or being a negative nelly or anything, but we all jumped up and down and called David King a meathead last year when he dared to suggest we wouldn't make the 8 in '23.
I'm not saying Ralph is right, I'm just keeping a lid on it for the time being.
I'm not saying Ralph is right, I'm just keeping a lid on it for the time being.
I prefer to not worry about getting predictions wrong as the journos don’t.
While Kingy may have be right, there was bugger all difference between 5th & 15th last year and he was also wrong about us the previous year.
Ralphy will be wrong about us in 2024. We learnt a lot from last year but will still be too young to avoid dropping off near the end of the season in some form.
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I like to hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
Maybe it's the pessimist in me.
I'm pretty sure the plan is to place Corbett on the log term injury list and rule him out for the year. That way Sharp can be added to the senior list and we still take 5 picks to the draft.
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LTI (inactive) replacements are put on the rookie list not the main list.
If you keep making a lot of predictions, you will one by accident.
The old Kim Hagdorn rule.
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This is not correct. Effectively they are off the list and create a rookie list spot in their list spot.
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I think we are saying the same thing? Any replacement for Corbett will be a rookie taken in SSP or MSD.
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For some reason I read 'replacements' as players. I.E. the actual player being put on the LTI. I'm going to blame staying up to watch the customary pointy end elimination of South Africa from a World Cup.
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It's not really a World Cup until South Africa have been eliminated in a Semi is it
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and the Kiwi's in the semi's or the final.
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this reminds me of the first time I saw the preview (old person term) / trailer (young person term) of Men in Black.
I thought it was bloody hilarious that the pug was the one talking.
Fremantle has collateral to make an impact at AFL Draft - including a possible swoop for lifelong Dockers fan Daniel Curtin
West Coast has attracted most WA headlines ahead of the AFL draft but Fremantle could be poised to make a massive strike, writes MARK DUFFIELD.
Mark DuffieldFremantle has a gun locked and loaded for the 2024 draft and trade period in the form of three first round picks, two from other clubs.
The only question the Dockers will ask themselves on draft night, depending on how things unfold, is whether they should fire a shot off early.
So much chatter west of the Nullarbor this year has centred on whether the Eagles, with number one pick in hand and Harley Reid in their sights, would give up that pick and that player for multiple picks.
Then, more recently and probably more sensibly, talk has turned to whether the Eagles would be willing to cash in their own 2024 first round pick to trade up this year and get to local star-in-waiting Daniel Curtin if he slides far enough.
Daniel Curtin is hot property in the 2023 draft. Picture: Getty Images
The Dockers have sat quietly in the background while all this played out.
The assumption has been that the acquisition of Port Adelaide’s first pick next year, then Collingwood’s when Lachie Schultz asked to be traded, meant Fremantle would be looking to make a big play for a star coming out of contract in 2024 - probably a West Australian - which has put Sydney’s Logan McDonald firmly in the crosshairs.
It’s a fair enough plan if that is where they are aiming.
The club restructured its football department and split the manager’s role between Peter Bell and Joe Brierty, with Brierty to assume more control of the operations side of the department and Bell to look at other projects and strategy.
The Dockers have come to realise that player acquisition and retention is not necessarily a year-to-year thing but a longer term play; that bringing players in requires more than a year’s planning and strategising and so does retaining them.
So, come draft night, the Dockers might just sit quietly and wait their turn for a second round pick which is at 34 in the indicative draft order now, but may drop at around pick 40 once bids are made and matched for Academy and father-son picks further up the order knowing that richer rewards await next year.
The Dockers would love their NGA ruck product Mitch Edwards to get that far so they could match a bid for him but the odds are that he won’t.
It is understood that they like Subiaco’s small forward Lance Collard and they need to replace Schultz but Collard won’t last that long either and he is West Coast’s NGA product, so even if he gets to pick 40 the Eagles can match the bid and take him.
The Dockers have always been happy to draft from interstate so it is hard to predict who they would take.
Of the locals, Perth speedster Aiden O’Driscoll, the younger brother of Dockers Nathan and Emma, might get that far. So might Claremont’s athletic big man Zane Zakostelsky, best afield in the WAFL Colts grand final.
Zane Zakostelsky could be an option for Freo. Picture: Getty Images
They would be familiar with the assets of Peel pair Clay Hall and Reece Torrent, who both played senior football alongside their listed players in the WAFL this year. East Fremantle’s Koen Sanchez or Claremont rebounder Joe Fonti would be other local boys who might be around at that point in the draft.
But should the Dockers just be sitting quietly?
If it is possible for West Coast to trade up to get to Curtin using next year’s draft collateral it is just as possible for Fremantle to. Perhaps more so.
Even if reigning premier Collingwood and finalist Port Adelaide were to finish first and second next year, the AFL draft points index would put the combined value of those two picks the Dockers currently hold at somewhere between pick four and five.
And that would still leave the Dockers with their own first rounder next year. If the Dockers were prepared to trade their own 2024 first rounder - and another club was prepared to punt on Freo finishing no higher than eighth - then the value of trading that pick with either one of the Port or Collingwood picks thrown in would be closer to somewhere between pick two and pick three.
It would make trading for a player like McDonald very difficult - but it might be very difficult anyway.
Logan McDonald is one to watch out for after next season. Picture: Phil Hillyard )
The two-team town factor comes into play when trying to lure WA players home. Once a WA club has declared its want to land a player, the worst case scenario appears to be being beaten by the cross town rival for his services.
Geelong were able to bid Tim Kelly’s price up at the trade table and West Coast had to pay top contract dollar for him and multiple first round picks even though he was never going to Fremantle and was happy to tell people that.
Fremantle were able to escape the bidding war with Luke Jackson because paying two draft picks for one player was never going to be in West Coast’s interests at the tough end of a significant rebuild.
But it might be a different scenario for the Eagles next year if they improve and if Harley Reid, Elijah Hewett, Reuben Ginbey, Oscar Allen and co all look like forming the nucleus of a competitive team going forward.
The philosophy behind the Eagles trying to trade up to get Curtin is simple: if you are going to bring elite talent in in a rebuild you might as well do it a year earlier.
If they have Curtin in the top three of their draft pecking order it is not even a gamble - it is in their best interests. They are clearly trying to do it and the only question is whether Curtin falls far enough for them to find a trading partner come draft night.
If Fremantle hold Curtin in the same high regard - and he barracked for them growing up - the same philosophy applies to them.
Home grown talent: easier to keep than an East Coast kid and less pressure on the salary cap than bringing in someone you have to outbid West Coast for.
West Coast should not be the only WA club making phone calls if Curtin gets past pick five on Monday night.
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Should I do another Christmas bet about getting CurtinFremantle has collateral to make an impact at AFL Draft - including a possible swoop for lifelong Dockers fan Daniel Curtin
West Coast has attracted most WA headlines ahead of the AFL draft but Fremantle could be poised to make a massive strike, writes MARK DUFFIELD.
Fremantle has a gun locked and loaded for the 2024 draft and trade period in the form of three first round picks, two from other clubs.
The only question the Dockers will ask themselves on draft night, depending on how things unfold, is whether they should fire a shot off early.
So much chatter west of the Nullarbor this year has centred on whether the Eagles, with number one pick in hand and Harley Reid in their sights, would give up that pick and that player for multiple picks.
Then, more recently and probably more sensibly, talk has turned to whether the Eagles would be willing to cash in their own 2024 first round pick to trade up this year and get to local star-in-waiting Daniel Curtin if he slides far enough.
Daniel Curtin is hot property in the 2023 draft. Picture: Getty Images
The Dockers have sat quietly in the background while all this played out.
The assumption has been that the acquisition of Port Adelaide’s first pick next year, then Collingwood’s when Lachie Schultz asked to be traded, meant Fremantle would be looking to make a big play for a star coming out of contract in 2024 - probably a West Australian - which has put Sydney’s Logan McDonald firmly in the crosshairs.
It’s a fair enough plan if that is where they are aiming.
The club restructured its football department and split the manager’s role between Peter Bell and Joe Brierty, with Brierty to assume more control of the operations side of the department and Bell to look at other projects and strategy.
The Dockers have come to realise that player acquisition and retention is not necessarily a year-to-year thing but a longer term play; that bringing players in requires more than a year’s planning and strategising and so does retaining them.
So, come draft night, the Dockers might just sit quietly and wait their turn for a second round pick which is at 34 in the indicative draft order now, but may drop at around pick 40 once bids are made and matched for Academy and father-son picks further up the order knowing that richer rewards await next year.
The Dockers would love their NGA ruck product Mitch Edwards to get that far so they could match a bid for him but the odds are that he won’t.
It is understood that they like Subiaco’s small forward Lance Collard and they need to replace Schultz but Collard won’t last that long either and he is West Coast’s NGA product, so even if he gets to pick 40 the Eagles can match the bid and take him.
The Dockers have always been happy to draft from interstate so it is hard to predict who they would take.
Of the locals, Perth speedster Aiden O’Driscoll, the younger brother of Dockers Nathan and Emma, might get that far. So might Claremont’s athletic big man Zane Zakostelsky, best afield in the WAFL Colts grand final.
Zane Zakostelsky could be an option for Freo. Picture: Getty Images
They would be familiar with the assets of Peel pair Clay Hall and Reece Torrent, who both played senior football alongside their listed players in the WAFL this year. East Fremantle’s Koen Sanchez or Claremont rebounder Joe Fonti would be other local boys who might be around at that point in the draft.
But should the Dockers just be sitting quietly?
If it is possible for West Coast to trade up to get to Curtin using next year’s draft collateral it is just as possible for Fremantle to. Perhaps more so.
Even if reigning premier Collingwood and finalist Port Adelaide were to finish first and second next year, the AFL draft points index would put the combined value of those two picks the Dockers currently hold at somewhere between pick four and five.
And that would still leave the Dockers with their own first rounder next year. If the Dockers were prepared to trade their own 2024 first rounder - and another club was prepared to punt on Freo finishing no higher than eighth - then the value of trading that pick with either one of the Port or Collingwood picks thrown in would be closer to somewhere between pick two and pick three.
It would make trading for a player like McDonald very difficult - but it might be very difficult anyway.
Logan McDonald is one to watch out for after next season. Picture: Phil Hillyard )
The two-team town factor comes into play when trying to lure WA players home. Once a WA club has declared its want to land a player, the worst case scenario appears to be being beaten by the cross town rival for his services.
Geelong were able to bid Tim Kelly’s price up at the trade table and West Coast had to pay top contract dollar for him and multiple first round picks even though he was never going to Fremantle and was happy to tell people that.
Fremantle were able to escape the bidding war with Luke Jackson because paying two draft picks for one player was never going to be in West Coast’s interests at the tough end of a significant rebuild.
But it might be a different scenario for the Eagles next year if they improve and if Harley Reid, Elijah Hewett, Reuben Ginbey, Oscar Allen and co all look like forming the nucleus of a competitive team going forward.
The philosophy behind the Eagles trying to trade up to get Curtin is simple: if you are going to bring elite talent in in a rebuild you might as well do it a year earlier.
If they have Curtin in the top three of their draft pecking order it is not even a gamble - it is in their best interests. They are clearly trying to do it and the only question is whether Curtin falls far enough for them to find a trading partner come draft night.
If Fremantle hold Curtin in the same high regard - and he barracked for them growing up - the same philosophy applies to them.
Home grown talent: easier to keep than an East Coast kid and less pressure on the salary cap than bringing in someone you have to outbid West Coast for.
West Coast should not be the only WA club making phone calls if Curtin gets past pick five on Monday night.
the likelihood is just so low of landing him. Small forward is just a much bigger need for us. I also think Duursma in a few years time will be the best of the 5.
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I know it’s only a dream but could you imagine Darcy rucking to Jackson (199cm), Curtin (197cm) and Johnson (193cm) in a few years!Should I do another Christmas bet about getting Curtin
So what if he barracks for Freo? Stephen Hill barracked for West Coast, could easily be in our best ever 5
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