List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[Snuffaluphagus]

Yeah, he's most likely not thinking of going anywhere at this stage, which means to even have any sort of shot at it we have to really load up the honey pot to try entice him out.

High wages and good deal for the Tigers, you'd think.

I wouldnt have thought so but there is a bit of chat and really, him leaving would make more sense than McDonald. Won flags, Tigers about to restart, head home and play in WA for similar money. Type of player Tigers should turn over (Lynch as well needs to be sold) if they take a minute to realise where they are at

 

[Retzlaff]

Speaking of a Richmond fire sale, what would we give up for Tom Lynch?

 

[Joao]

Speaking of a Richmond fire sale, what would we give up for Tom Lynch?

If we finished top 4 this year and missed a GF by a goal or so, maybe a late 2nd.

Otherwises SFA. Dude is 32 this year and appears to have chronic foot issues.

 

[Succulent_ChineseMeals32]

Hopefully the club have learned lessons from 2018 and stick to the draft.

Our core group of players is under 25 and majority of these players should be available for the next decade or so.

Imo we still have the time to go hard at the draft for the next year or two and can afford to wait for those draftees to develop over a couple of seasons whilst our current core group is still on the list and in there peak.


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[arsesmart]

Hopefully the club have learned lessons from 2018 and stick to the draft.

Our core group of players is under 25 and majority of these players should be available for the next decade or so.

Imo we still have the time to go hard at the draft for the next year or two and can afford to wait for those draftees to develop over a couple of seasons whilst our current core group is still on the list and in there peak.


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I'm sure it's in their list of options.

 

[Succulent_ChineseMeals32]

I'm sure it's in their list of options.

I’m sure it is,

Trading away picks rarely works (think Jackson may prove an exception to this).

It’s easy with hindsight but our 2018 off-season is one of the worst in AFL history.


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[freo_leo29]

I’m sure it is,

Trading away picks rarely works (think Jackson may prove an exception to this).

It’s easy with hindsight but our 2018 off-season is one of the worst in AFL history.


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Brissy traded away picks for Neale and instantly rose up the ladder

They brought in Dunkley for a couple firsts last year and made it to a grand final

Cats traded 3 firsts for Cameron and won a grand final

I don't think it's rare, a good balance is fine and we have spent a lot at the draft already

 

[FreoGirl]

Just used Serong as an embodiment of the eggs that might have to be cracked to make that omelette.

Salary cap pressure and Tigers wanting a replacement player (which we've seen speculation shake out trade-nominated players from teams before, eg Bradshaw, Ryan Burton to name two).

I feel like we have stacked the resources for 'somebody' and Baker would be the best we could get

 

[Hazelsnuts]

I’m sure it is,

Trading away picks rarely works (think Jackson may prove an exception to this).

It’s easy with hindsight but our 2018 off-season is one of the worst in AFL history.


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Great username - ‘you sir, what’s the charge, enjoying a succulent Chinese meal …..baha…

 

[Docker82]

Brissy traded away picks for Neale and instantly rose up the ladder

They brought in Dunkley for a couple firsts last year and made it to a grand final

Cats traded 3 firsts for Cameron and won a grand final

I don't think it's rare, a good balance is fine and we have spent a lot at the draft already

There's actually a bit of an age gap between our core group and this year's draftees IMO.

How many players from the 2022 and 2023 drafts do we expect to be involved in a premiership threat realistically. Not counting Emmett as he's right in our core age group anyway. I'd say Simpson is likely and the others really are coming from a long way back.

Eventually you've got to have a list that actually all in their prime at the same time. I'd be interested in trading in players that fall within our core age range tbh. Anyone younger than Darcy and Cox is fair game if they're good imo.

Teams don't win premierships by just drafting. That's proven. There's no reason we should stop with just Jackson, Clark and maybe Aish if he hangs around long enough.

 

[Succulent_ChineseMeals32]

I’m not against trading generally, but I’d want to very very sure that McDonald was going to be a star long term before parting with top picks for him. I don’t think his current output is worth the risk it would cost to get him.

There’s no debating generally the trade table has cost us dearly.

A few recent examples:

2016 -
traded pick 3 to GWS (ended up being Hugh Mcluggage) got back McCarthy and 7 which we used on Logue. Neither McCarthy or Logue are still at the club

2018 -
Declined 5 for Lachie Neale

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Lachie Neale

Age

31

Ht

178cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

, that year Connor Rozee

1

Connor Rozee

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.6

5star

CL

1.0

3star

D

12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.3

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

1.6

4star

D

16.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

8.4

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

0.8

3star

goes pick 5

Took 6 and 19 for Neale, then traded 6 (Ben King

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Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

) and 23 for Hogan.

Traded 11 (Jordan Clark

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Jordan Clark

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

10.4

4star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

pick after this including academies) and 19 (Bobby Hill still on the board) for Lobb and 14 which was used for Sam Sturt

1

Sam Sturt

Age

24

Ht

190cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.7

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.3

3star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.3

5star

.



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[FUS_RO_DAH]

2016 -
traded pick 3 to GWS (ended up being Hugh Mcluggage) got back McCarthy and 7 which we used on Logue. Neither McCarthy or Logue are still at the club

Because I always feel obligated to point this out, we didn't trade pick 3 for McCarthy. We paid Pick 3 for Pick 7, 34 and 72.

Points wise (granted I don't care about points) McCarthy essentially came for free.

No pick 3 trade, then only one of Cox/Darcy and no Luke Ryan.

 

[Docker82]

I think our list of players born between 1998 and 2003 is pretty damn good with 2-3 holes tbh.

Unlike 2018 those 10-12 players are there - we just need to keep them for 4-5 years and add the 2-3 we’re missing (I think you need 14-15 of your best 23 in their prime tbh)

I do want to see how a few of our wingers go but tbh I think I’ve seen enough to say that group needs another key forward and a gun small forward.

If our three first rounders could get us a good key forward and good small forward in the right age bracket I’d much rather that than the three 18 year olds that might not reach their prime before Darcy and Cox retire.

It’s always healthy to add some 18 year olds to the list but I don’t think three high end ones without addressing list needs for our core bracket is overly ideal. We should’ve drafted those players and be talking about adding different types of players but here we are.

 

[Succulent_ChineseMeals32]

Because I always feel obligated to point this out, we didn't trade pick 3 for McCarthy. We paid Pick 3 for Pick 7, 34 and 72.

Points wise (granted I don't care about points) McCarthy essentially came for free.

No pick 3 trade, then only one of Cox/Darcy and no Luke Ryan.

Good point sir!

I think we traded 63 for Kersten right?

So we could still have had Ryan, Cox, Mcluccage but no Darcy or Kersten




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[Succulent_ChineseMeals32]

I think our list of players born between 1998 and 2003 is pretty damn good with 2-3 holes tbh.

Unlike 2018 those 10-12 players are there - we just need to keep them for 4-5 years and add the 2-3 we’re missing (I think you need 14-15 of your best 23 in their prime tbh)

I do want to see how a few of our wingers go but tbh I think I’ve seen enough to say that group needs another key forward and a gun small forward.

If our three first rounders could get us a good key forward and good small forward in the right age bracket I’d much rather that than the three 18 year olds that might not reach their prime before Darcy and Cox retire.

It’s always healthy to add some 18 year olds to the list but I don’t think three high end ones without addressing list needs for our core bracket is overly ideal. We should’ve drafted those players and be talking about adding different types of players but here we are.

I’m too worn from old battle scars.

I think the core group of players we have will be around for a fair while.

Personally I feel we can wait 2 years and for this years draftees to become good players.


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[Dockeroo]

Good point sir!

I think we traded 63 for Kersten right?

So we could still have had Ryan, Cox, Mcluccage but no Darcy or Kersten




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We could never have drafted Hugh McLuggage. He was always going to Brisbane no matter what. They would have taken him with 2 if we didnt slide back. We could have had Taranto though.

 

[Docker82]

I’m too worn from old battle scars.

I think the core group of players we have will be around for a fair while.

Personally I feel we can wait 2 years and for this years draftees to become good players.


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It won’t take two years though.

Matthew Johnson for example is going into year three. I think he looks like a future gun but if we were a top four side he wouldn’t be in the starting 22 for round one.

It’ll take 4+ years for most players to come consistently good, probably 6+ for that second KPF we need.

If it takes five years - Darcy and Cox will be 30. If it takes six years Brayshaw will be 30.

I don’t think we can be too scared by past trading failures. There’s lessons there but it isn’t don’t trade.

Collingwood had nine recycled players in their Grand Final side and McStay also plays if he hadn’t done an ACL. Geelong the year before had seven. It’s bloody important to bring in good players by trading. I don’t think you win flags by having 7-8 old players, 7-8 prime age players and 7-8 youngsters - you need that prime age to be double that and good except if you’re Geelong.

 

[Docker82]

We could never have drafted Hugh McLuggage. He was always going to Brisbane no matter what. They would have taken him with 2 if we didnt slide back. We could have had Taranto though.

Think I’d take one of Darcy or Cox over Taranto tbh. Don’t really rate him all that highly.

Throw Ryan in there as well and it isn’t a contest imo.

 

[pK75]

It won’t take two years though.

Matthew Johnson for example is going into year three. I think he looks like a future gun but if we were a top four side he wouldn’t be in the starting 22 for round one.

It’ll take 4+ years for most players to come consistently good, probably 6+ for that second KPF we need.

If it takes five years - Darcy and Cox will be 30. If it takes six years Brayshaw will be 30.

I don’t think we can be too scared by past trading failures. There’s lessons there but it isn’t don’t trade.

Collingwood had nine recycled players in their Grand Final side and McStay also plays if he hadn’t done an ACL. Geelong the year before had seven. It’s bloody important to bring in good players by trading. I don’t think you win flags by having 7-8 old players, 7-8 prime age players and 7-8 youngsters - you need that prime age to be double that and good except if you’re Geelong.

It’s much easier for those vic clubs to attract high end talent from other clubs though, half of them don’t even need to move house to change clubs, we need make them uproot their entire lives and once they get here they need to travel every other week.
As far as recycled talent, we have Aish, Clark, Jackson, Sharp, Voss & Wagner, did i miss anyone?

 

[Succulent_ChineseMeals32]

It won’t take two years though.

Matthew Johnson for example is going into year three. I think he looks like a future gun but if we were a top four side he wouldn’t be in the starting 22 for round one.

It’ll take 4+ years for most players to come consistently good, probably 6+ for that second KPF we need.

If it takes five years - Darcy and Cox will be 30. If it takes six years Brayshaw will be 30.

I don’t think we can be too scared by past trading failures. There’s lessons there but it isn’t don’t trade.

Collingwood had nine recycled players in their Grand Final side and McStay also plays if he hadn’t done an ACL. Geelong the year before had seven. It’s bloody important to bring in good players by trading. I don’t think you win flags by having 7-8 old players, 7-8 prime age players and 7-8 youngsters - you need that prime age to be double that and good except if

I don’t think anyone is saying don’t ever trade.

It was more making 100% that the player we trade for is here for the long term. Especially if we are swapping first rounders for them.

Of all those 2016/2018 players I raised in a previous post none of them are still at Freo and we missed out on great draft picks that would have been.






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[DockerDerek]

It’s much easier for those vic clubs to attract high end talent from other clubs though, half of them don’t even need to move house to change clubs, we need make them uproot their entire lives and once they get here they need to travel every other week.
As far as recycled talent, we have Aish, Clark, Jackson, Sharp, Voss & Wagner, did i miss anyone?

It’s much easier for those vic clubs to attract high end talent from other clubs though, half of them don’t even need to move house to change clubs, we need make them uproot their entire lives and once they get here they need to travel every other week.
As far as recycled talent, we have Aish, Clark, Jackson, Sharp, Voss & Wagner, did i miss anyone?

O’Meara and McDonald.

 

[Patty_Moz]

I think our list of players born between 1998 and 2003 is pretty damn good with 2-3 holes tbh.

Unlike 2018 those 10-12 players are there - we just need to keep them for 4-5 years and add the 2-3 we’re missing (I think you need 14-15 of your best 23 in their prime tbh)

I do want to see how a few of our wingers go but tbh I think I’ve seen enough to say that group needs another key forward and a gun small forward.

If our three first rounders could get us a good key forward and good small forward in the right age bracket I’d much rather that than the three 18 year olds that might not reach their prime before Darcy and Cox retire.

It’s always healthy to add some 18 year olds to the list but I don’t think three high end ones without addressing list needs for our core bracket is overly ideal. We should’ve drafted those players and be talking about adding different types of players but here we are.

Why the need for Baker though? He doesn’t fill any of the holes you mention.

Agreed we need A grade talent in the fwd line whether that is small, med or tall doesn’t really matter to me but I’d lean on the small, med side (Amiss, Jackson are enough talls).

Pickett, Weightman, Bolton, Ollie Henry, Rankine, Rachele all playing exceptional footy by the time they are 20y/o (Bobby Hill norm smith at 22). They are top end talent though so we need picks at that end of the draft. Our top picks from 2008-09 drafts were all playing finals from 2010-15.

It’s a bit early to get worried we are going to miss our premiership window, we finished 14th last year and Darcy/Cox are 25y/o.

I’d trade for Baker but it would be in the ballpark of Aish, JOM deals.

 

[Docker82]

Why the need for Baker though? He doesn’t fill any of the holes you mention.

Agreed we need A grade talent in the fwd line whether that is small, med or tall doesn’t really matter to me but I’d lean on the small, med side (Amiss, Jackson are enough talls).

Pickett, Weightman, Bolton, Ollie Henry, Rankine, Rachele all playing exceptional footy by the time they are 20y/o (Bobby Hill norm smith at 22). They are top end talent though so we need picks at that end of the draft. Our top picks from 2008-09 drafts were all playing finals from 2010-15.

It’s a bit early to get worried we are going to miss our premiership window, we finished 14th last year and Darcy/Cox are 25y/o.

I’d trade for Baker but it would be in the ballpark of Aish, JOM deals.

If we don’t get McDonald me preference would be to turn the four decent draft picks we have into two very good selections. Maybe that’s trading the two later firsts and St Kilda’s second for a single top ten pick.

I’d rather have those two selections and cop any other picks we have being very late (it’d probably be one more selection at best) than have a bunch of mid-20s after that academy BS sets in (although that academy BS would be exactly how we get those higher selections).

I’m not sure about Baker tbh. He’d replace Aish but I’d replace a third of our team before Aish. Having that I think Aish would be easy enough to replace when he retires. I also think Draper looks the second best 18 year old we’ve drafted in the last two years.

 

[Patty_Moz]

It won’t take two years though.

Matthew Johnson for example is going into year three. I think he looks like a future gun but if we were a top four side he wouldn’t be in the starting 22 for round one.

It’ll take 4+ years for most players to come consistently good, probably 6+ for that second KPF we need.

If it takes five years - Darcy and Cox will be 30. If it takes six years Brayshaw will be 30.

I don’t think we can be too scared by past trading failures. There’s lessons there but it isn’t don’t trade.

Collingwood had nine recycled players in their Grand Final side and McStay also plays if he hadn’t done an ACL. Geelong the year before had seven. It’s bloody important to bring in good players by trading. I don’t think you win flags by having 7-8 old players, 7-8 prime age players and 7-8 youngsters - you need that prime age to be double that and good except if you’re Geelong.

But there isn’t any urgency to get it all done before Cox/Darcy turn 29. Both Coll & Geelong had 9 players 30 plus in their GF B22’s and we don’t have half that on our list and the ones we do have won’t be around for a premiership push. There is still time to develop top end talent.

If we don’t get McDonald me preference would be to turn the four decent draft picks we have into two very good selections. Maybe that’s trading the two later firsts and St Kilda’s second for a single top ten pick.

I’d rather have those two selections and cop any other picks we have being very late (it’d probably be one more selection at best) than have a bunch of mid-20s after that academy BS sets in (although that academy BS would be exactly how we get those higher selections).

I’m not sure about Baker tbh. He’d replace Aish but I’d replace a third of our team before Aish. Having that I think Aish would be easy enough to replace when he retires. I also think Draper looks the second best 18 year old we’ve drafted in the last two years.

Agreed I’d like McDonald but depends on trade price and performance for me. I think Freo gives up too much in trades with the current team particularly generous at the trade table.

Also agree depending on where they end up say 2x late 1sts should be turned into a top ten pick (even picks 17&18 theoretically has the same amount of points as pick 4).

I’d differ slightly on using the 2nd as it won’t be worth much points wise. I’d probably trade it down for multiple 3rds to have multiple cracks to try fill some gaps but depends where things all end up.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

not mentioned as a FA in gettable. Would think that means he needs to be traded for.

Also, Colon warning - managed to get his ugly mug on there to spruik his shit

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