List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Dockeroo]

Any one doubting small forwards should be our highest priority, surely tonight puts that to bed.

We need 3 this year.

I agree.

However we have been slow on the uptake on this trend with our list management.

Historically freo don’t value small forwards highly.
We think they can be taken with late and rookie picks. Not sure we have ever used a first round pick in the draft on one. Certainly not in recent times.

History suggest the idea of using a top 10 pick on a small forward is a horror movie to David Walls and the list management team.

Hopefully that’s changed this year. If we got Bolton and Joe berry it would go a nice way to fixing the gap we have.

We will win nothing in September if still relying on Switta, Banfield and Emmett in those positions

 

[arsesmart]

Any one doubting small forwards should be our highest priority, surely tonight puts that to bed.

We need 3 this year.

They can be hard to find (of quality). Even one could do it. Not all that happy saying it, but Rioli was an absolute godsend for Port last night. Turned plenty of pig turds into silk purses.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I agree.

However we have been slow on the uptake on this trend with our list management.

Historically freo don’t value small forwards highly.
We think they can be taken with late and rookie picks. Not sure we have ever used a first round pick in the draft on one. Certainly not in recent times.

History suggest the idea of using a top 10 pick on a small forward is a horror movie to David Walls and the list management team.

Hopefully that’s changed this year. If we got Bolton and Joe berry it would go a nice way to fixing the gap we have.

We will win nothing in September if still relying on Switta, Banfield and Emmett in those positions

Agree.

I really wanf to use a later pick with a small forward as well. Or get a mature ager. Especially if we find a tackling machine who can kick goals.

They don't need to beat 22, I just want a good player in WAFL who can put pressure on the 22

Oliver Harraford is rising late. Evan Bradley has been talked about.
I am sure there is a mature ager around.

 

[go_the_dockers]

They can be hard to find (of quality). Even one could do it. Not all that happy saying it, but Rioli was an absolute godsend for Port last night. Turned plenty of pig turds into silk purses.

Rioli was brilliant.

Hawks smalls were dangerous. It is the big hole in our list.

 

[arsesmart]

Rioli was brilliant.

Hawks smalls were dangerous. It is the big hole in our list.

Would've been interesting to see Schultz in that forward line with Treacy doing what he was doing this year.

The upside is there's plenty of natural internal improvement likely in our forwardline for next year. Amiss, Treacy, Jackson and Sturt could all get that much better with just regular development paths.

Even Emmett could be expect to go a level or two higher into his third year.

...but plug in a zippy forward or two who can convert 1/2 and 1/4 opportunities in there as well, it's more than enticing.

 

[Taylor]

We should trade for Hawthorn's future first then play a small forward who draws high free kicks and when the umpires put the whistle away for it league wide we bank a top ten pick from the Hawks.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Would've been interesting to see Schultz in that forward line with Treacy doing what he was doing this year.

The upside is there's plenty of natural internal improvement likely in our forwardline for next year. Amiss, Treacy, Jackson and Sturt could all get that much better with just regular development paths.

Even Emmett could be expect to go a level or two higher into his third year.

...but plug in a zippy forward or two who can convert 1/2 and 1/4 opportunities in there as well, it's more than enticing.

Rioli created 3 or 4 goals from half opportunities.

Add more class and everyone looks better. It would be hard to measure, but swapping Emmett with rioli may add 30 goals to our side. 15 from him, plus 15 from other people.

It would be the same for Schultz with his defensive pressure plus still kicking goals. . Would love would both types of players in our 22. I think Berry is closer to Rioli.
Oliver Hannaford closer to Schultz.

 

[Superkoops]

I'm fairly somewhat ok with taking the swing in as far as no cost to get him and the list spot management is done crafty like. There's gold in them thar hills.

I'd just be wary (superstitious) of him spending the first 2/3 of the season in rehab, coming in for a 5-7 games of good footy, which forces someone developing out, only for him to break down on the eve of finals. We're then left scrambling to get someone up to speed.

He has already been announced as delisted. So zero cost. He even did a medical with us whilst his team were in finals and he was listed as a test.

The cost is a primary list spot. That does concern me.

The options are
DFA - gives him a list spot.
Rookie SSP (where he does a Sharp and doesn’t nominate for drafts)

I prefer option 2 for an injury prone player.

 

[Taylor]

Rookie SSP (where he does a Sharp and doesn’t nominate for drafts)

And running one short on the primary list to facilitate the extra rookie spot does reduce his salary cap impact by nearly $100k a year.

 

[s_wd6]

I get the impression that we've cooled on him a bit since the medical, which is why there's talk about him going to one of the QLD teams when there wasn't before.

 

[Swiggy]

I get the impression that we've cooled on him a bit since the medical, which is why there's talk about him going to one of the QLD teams when there wasn't before.

What gives you that idea?

 

[Superkoops]

What gives you that idea?

I have no issue if that is the case. If we have done the medical and some scans reveal a bunch of issues with his calves and hamstrings then we are best to pass. As you say nothing I’ve read suggests he will be going to QLD. Brisbane seem to have a good record with injured players.

 

[arsesmart]

I get the impression that we've cooled on him a bit since the medical, which is why there's talk about him going to one of the QLD teams when there wasn't before.

I think the Qld angle comes from his wife, who I think hails from there.

 

[s_wd6]

I think the Qld angle comes from his wife, who I think hails from there.

She’s also currently pregnant with their second child. If either QLD team were an option I’d put my money on him going there instead.

 

[arsesmart]

She’s also currently pregnant with their second child. If either QLD team were an option I’d put my money on him going there instead.

Although it's been some since he's lived in WA. Might be thinking it's a chance to spend a year or two living in WA around his family before potentially relocating back to Qld when he retires.

 

[Demons09]

Rioli created 3 or 4 goals from half opportunities.

Add more class and everyone looks better. It would be hard to measure, but swapping Emmett with rioli may add 30 goals to our side. 15 from him, plus 15 from other people.

It would be the same for Schultz with his defensive pressure plus still kicking goals. . Would love would both types of players in our 22. I think Berry is closer to Rioli.
Oliver Hannaford closer to Schultz.

You want to add more class to Peels fwd line.

 

[nurries]

I would part Martin on 2 years minimum chips and games played bonus

 

[go_the_dockers]

You want to add more class to Peels fwd line.

Add depth in the area.
More pressure on best 22 in that area.

Yeah a side affect will be Peel gets a better forward line

 

[Dale147]

No thanks

 

[TheLastCall]

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I suspect when Carlton realised we were cooling on him and would have only got chip for him they decided to cut him. QLD clubs would only take him for free.

 

[Docker82]

I think I’d rather have Emmett on our list than Martin tbh.

Firstly I don’t think Martin is rated because of on field performance. It’s because he was a high draft pick ten years ago - that’s irrelevant.

Then throw in that our forward pressure is the worst in the league. At least Emmett if he’s player 28-30 on our list provides that.

Then throw in Martin’s history with injuries.

Then throw in the age of both players.

Will admit if we knew the world was ending end of 2025 and we had one year to win a flag Martin would be the better option. He’s a more talented footballer for sure but I think Emmett could still be around in 4-5 years if he’s good enough - if he doesn’t improve and gets delisted that’s okay but Martin is a one year prospect every year with the best case scenario probably getting two years from him.

 

[Ge3ks]

Is Emmett contracted for 2025?

 

[Taylor]

Is Emmett contracted for 2025?

Not any announcement yet, if it exists

 

[eastfreo75]

I think I’d rather have Emmett on our list than Martin tbh.

Firstly I don’t think Martin is rated because of on field performance. It’s because he was a high draft pick ten years ago - that’s irrelevant.

Then throw in that our forward pressure is the worst in the league. At least Emmett if he’s player 28-30 on our list provides that.

Then throw in Martin’s history with injuries.

Then throw in the age of both players.

Will admit if we knew the world was ending end of 2025 and we had one year to win a flag Martin would be the better option. He’s a more talented footballer for sure but I think Emmett could still be around in 4-5 years if he’s good enough - if he doesn’t improve and gets delisted that’s okay but Martin is a one year prospect every year with the best case scenario probably getting two years from him.

I agree plus we need more quickness, and Martin isn't quick with injuries.

 

[Ge3ks]

Martin isn't quick with injuries.

He is very quick with injuries. Took only 5 mins to do his hammy in his most recent game.