He's missed two seasons through injuries.Milera was taken pick 11 2015
He's played 99 games
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He's missed two seasons through injuries.Milera was taken pick 11 2015
He's played 99 games
We need both.
We lack depth too... as we had net outs last trade period.
We have plenty worse players to delist.
Jack Macrae ? Doesn’t help our speed but he’d be a reliable senior player with good habits but would only if he came super cheap
I think we mainly need to hit the draft but if we could grab one experienced player cheaply I’d do it , but only if we commit to not playing smith and trying to trade Laird while he has value ( needed to play him half back to make him look attractive to a contending club, we aren’t smart )
BurgessWho are you delisting ahead of him?
He would be worth getting if we were in the premiership window... otherwise he is just taking games from younger players in a rebuild.Big fan of Macrae but he is finished. He is on ball or bust now.
Burgess
McHenry
Parnell
Smith
Suspect there may be 2 other players leave by trade.
Payout Smith, keep Hamill.Smith has almost certainly hit his contract trigger.
I think given this is a deep draft and we are rumoured to be active in the trade period then we’re going to need to make more room.
Probably stiff on Hamill as far worse have received contracts in the past but we need to be ruthless.
Berry and Berg must get contract offers in order for us to secure a trade. And both have some currency you would think.We've offered Berry a contract. Not sure how long.
What is the old saying, if you are good enough you are old enough..get the kids in, let them learn, make mistakes, do great things, be inconsistent, be electric...but they need to learn on the jobI’m quite sick of coaches and administrators who talk about the need/importance/value of experience. It’s not an advantage in all cases and certainly not in all timeframes.
What they need to understand is that the flip side of experience is opportunity. When you add experience to the team (eg. picking Smith at HBF) you do so at the direct cost of opportunity (eg. picking Ryan instead).
What you gain in short term performance (if anything!) by picking experience you more than likely lose many times over in the long run.
Even worse our performance in the short term when we’re clearly rebuilding matters much less than it does in the long run when we should be contenders and need to maximise performance.
We’re making a terrible trade off most times we choose experience over opportunity (at this stage of our cycle) and don’t be swayed by those who say we’ll get smashed with a young team…because in the short run it doesn’t matter.
Of course this view - which is entirely logical - is predicated on the assumption that your primary goal and purpose is winning a premiership and not something else (like winning a round 21 match).
That’s the thing , it would be getting a senior player in cheap at the expense of Laird , not having both play togetherFrom the outside looking in I know but Macrae hardly seems to have reacted well to being asked to play a peripheral role at the Dogs. And that’s with him being asked to step aside for Bont, Libba, Treloar, Smith and Sanders. Can’t imagine if we ask him to have a few less mid minutes so that Zac Taylor can have a run he’ll be super happy. We’ve already got Laird cracking the sads because he’s not the number one guy anymore, don’t think we need another one in there.
The flaw in the experience argument when you rebuild is thinking the experience has to be onfieldI’m quite sick of coaches and administrators who talk about the need/importance/value of experience. It’s not an advantage in all cases and certainly not in all timeframes.
What they need to understand is that the flip side of experience is opportunity. When you add experience to the team (eg. picking Smith at HBF) you do so at the direct cost of opportunity (eg. picking Ryan instead).
What you gain in short term performance (if anything!) by picking experience you more than likely lose many times over in the long run.
Even worse our performance in the short term when we’re clearly rebuilding matters much less than it does in the long run when we should be contenders and need to maximise performance.
We’re making a terrible trade off most times we choose experience over opportunity (at this stage of our cycle) and don’t be swayed by those who say we’ll get smashed with a young team…because in the short run it doesn’t matter.
Of course this view - which is entirely logical - is predicated on the assumption that your primary goal and purpose is winning a premiership and not something else (like winning a round 21 match).
Payout Smith, keep Hamill.
Only 1 is useful going forward.
If Tex, Sloane (gone) and Smith go at the end of the year
Over 100 game players are
Laird 243
Crouch 154
Keays 132
Dawson 127
ROB 117
Murphy 111
With Milera, Fog and Jones in the nineties
How many of our senior leaders walk into a contending side?
Dawson and Fog would get into any team. Keasy would get into most. On most recent form Milera wouldn't but would if he got back to his best.
Laird/Crouch depends on club and if they have a weakness in inside mids. sydney traded for Adams who is a lessor player than they are.
NO to the rest
Pretty sure I’ve seen Keays directing, tooExperience is valuable when it has a positive impact on the young players around them
I'm not sure ROB, Laird, Smith, Crouch, Milera, Murphy... make players around them better.
Do they influence younger players positively? Do they have a calming influence through their own assured performances on match day? Provide direction?
I see Dawson and Walker directing players on match day. Doedee did. Not much from the others.
Laird, Smith & Crouch did... back when they were closer to their peak. Laird & Smith are well off their peaks now though. Crouch probably the same.Experience is valuable when it has a positive impact on the young players around them
I'm not sure ROB, Laird, Smith, Crouch, Milera, Murphy... make players around them better.
Do they influence younger players positively? Do they have a calming influence through their own assured performances on match day? Provide direction?
I see Dawson and Walker directing players on match day. Doedee did. Not much from the others.
Talia and Brown did.Laird, Smith & Crouch did... back when they were closer to their peak. Laird & Smith are well off their peaks now though. Crouch probably the same.
Speaking of ROB, did you hear his comments yesterday? Something like being dropped have him a kick up the bum he needed and refocused, weren’t his exact words but **** me, if a player in the leadership group needs to be dropped to be focused, what the **** are they doing in the leadership group.Experience is valuable when it has a positive impact on the young players around them
I'm not sure ROB, Laird, Smith, Crouch, Milera, Murphy... make players around them better.
Do they influence younger players positively? Do they have a calming influence through their own assured performances on match day? Provide direction?
I see Dawson and Walker directing players on match day. Doedee did. Not much from the others.
I dunno, I regularly see Laird telling young players "where to go" if they don't pass it to him.Experience is valuable when it has a positive impact on the young players around them
I'm not sure ROB, Laird, Smith, Crouch, Milera, Murphy... make players around them better.
Do they influence younger players positively? Do they have a calming influence through their own assured performances on match day? Provide direction?
I see Dawson and Walker directing players on match day. Doedee did. Not much from the others.
I maintain that ROB should be dropped once every 5 weeksSpeaking of ROB, did you hear his comments yesterday? Something like being dropped have him a kick up the bum he needed and refocused, weren’t his exact words but ** me, if a player in the leadership group needs to be dropped to be focused, what the ** are they doing in the leadership group.
Working on the assumption ROB is in the leadership group
in 2020 we didn't win a game until round 17 and were thrashed most games. We played young players in the middle and rarely got the ball out thus we always seemed to have the ball in the backline. The forwards hardly saw the ball and we rarely scored more than a goal a quarter. I doubt the forwards such as Fogarty developed much that year. We gave games to McAsey, Jones, McHenry and they lost confidence. Getting thrashed each game is not a great formula for development so there needs to be a balance of experienced and young players. I've played for teams that have been beaten by 20 plus goals and its not much fun and difficult to get the ball.The flaw in the experience argument when you rebuild is thinking the experience has to be onfield
The other flaw is focusing on wins to the detriment of development
Both are possible -if you accept that year 1 and 2 of your rebuild you will lose games then let it go. Dont hold onto winning at all costs
Your 1st 2 year focus is development and the most important - identifying who is good and who is ordinary
We went straight to winning over development and we are still developing