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How many All Australians in that lot?
What a rubbish generalised response. McAsey was a ridiculous pick although he won the B&F for Vic at the national carnival, CHBs just don't get picked this early as their development takes longer. Apart from Weitering prove me wrong.This rubbish about "didn't have the benefit of hindsight" really annoys me. That's why we have specialist recruiters and pay them well. Surely on the basis of law of averages they should have done a lot better. These recruiters should be in the business of seeking out the best. My main concern is missing the obvious high end picks.
With the McAsey selection, I thought there was a football saying "never use a high pick to select a fullback or CHB, you will always find one or make one", there are plenty of examples to prove this. Just lately I mention Murray and Keane. I went back and took a look at high end selections (pick 6 or higher) CHB/Fullbacks, the only one I could find was Weitering at pick one and fully deserved. Look further down the draft lists and a lot of sensational CHBs/FBs can be found, we panicked.
Why would you pick Josh Rachele at 6 - a Victorian half forward flanker ahead of Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (pick 11), a South Australian who had been showing great form at U18 level and in a couple of reserves games I saw, he played sensationally. I could also go on about Will Day.
Neither were projected to go that early, can you still trade down further after trading pick 4 to 6?What a rubbish generalised response. McAsey was a ridiculous pick although he won the B&F for Vic at the national carnival, CHBs just don't get picked this early as their development takes longer. Apart from Weitering prove me wrong.
Mark Bickley was calling for the Crows to select Will Day (surely DNA had to be taken into account) and Nasiah W-M had exposed good form in South Australia. The "eye test" reveals the Crows got it wrong. N W-M is a far better player and not a showoff.
Come up with some meaningful evidence and facts.
This isn’t something to boast aboutPeople on this board also forget the general consensus on this board was Jackson Hately was their favoured pick in 2018, at least Chayce and Neddy are still on an AFL list in 2024.
Someone gave you the thumbs down. Must be on the AFC Board.Truly horrific. You’d think even by chance he might have gotten one right, but consistently got every one wrong.
Kind of impressive he keeps his job really.
Michael Hurley, Lachie Ploughman, Jacob Weitering and Caleb Marchbank were all KPD's and drafted Pick 6 or higher.What a rubbish generalised response. McAsey was a ridiculous pick although he won the B&F for Vic at the national carnival, CHBs just don't get picked this early as their development takes longer. Apart from Weitering prove me wrong.
Mark Bickley was calling for the Crows to select Will Day (surely DNA had to be taken into account) and Nasiah W-M had exposed good form in South Australia. The "eye test" reveals the Crows got it wrong. N W-M is a far better player and not a showoff.
Come up with some meaningful evidence and facts.
I'm presuming Bicks has a personal relationship with Hamish, so takes it personally.Someone gave you the thumbs down. Must be on the AFC Board.
Nope I've seen him at numerous U18's games but I've only met him the once at an U18's game at Mars Stadium and the discussion centred around whether Scott Thompson was going to go on the next year, he basically said Scotty definitely wants to but he wasn't sure whether Don Pyke wanted him to at that point. Seems Pyke wanted him to because he got the final year. It was a Rebels game featuring Hugh McCluggage, Jarrod Berry and Willem Drew so I remember it well.I'm presuming Bicks has a personal relationship with Hamish, so takes it personally.
Other than McAsey who are the early 1st round misses you describe, Chayce Jones is 6 years ago, that's more than a few years and he has played 91 AFL games after all and Ned McHenry 70 games.
If you go back even 10 years and discount the 1st rounders used in the Bryce Gibbs and Izak Rankine (3 1st round picks that the recruiters didn't have access to).
2014 - Pick 14 Jake Lever
2015 - Pick 11 - Wayne Milera - Pick 17 Tom Doedee
2016 - Pick 15 - Jordan Gallucci
2017 - Pick 12 - Darcy Fogarty - 2 1st rounds picks out for Gibbs
2018 - Pick 9 Chayce Jones - Pick 16 Ned McHenry
2019 - Pick 6 Fischer McAsey trade down that netted 2020 Pick 10 - Most likely Noah Anderson bar for Suns AFL gift.
2020 - Pick 2 Riley Thilthorpe - Pick 10 Luke Pedlar - Pick 25 Brayden Cook
2021 - Pick 6 Josh Rachele
2022 - Pick 5 used to acquire Izak Rankine - Pick 17 Max Michalanney
2023 - Pick 8 Dan Curtin (trade up) - Pick 21 Charlie Edfwards - Pick 27 Oscar Ryan.
I don't think that list proves your point.Yep. A while back I looked at Hamish vs the free Phantom Form Guide article on AFL.com.au from Cal Twomey (not the phantom draft, the form guide). No hindsight required at all because those rankings were available months before the draft.
I don't think paid club employee Hamish outperforms the resource provided for free online
I don't think that list proves your point.
Curnow, Bruhn massive go-home factors, recognised at the time. McDonald instead of TT: no.Would you rather have
Lever
Thilthorpe
Rachele
Soligo
Doedee
Milera
+
Jones
Hamill
McAsey
Pedlar
Poholke
Gallucci
Or
Curnow
Serong
English
Caldwell
McDonald
Bruhn
+
Laverde
Hobbs
Draper
Graham
Taylor
Balic
Bit of a wash IMO. Hamish isn't clearly drafting better despite being the paid employee out of the two
Nank untouchableLet's just say that, by some miracle, there are a number of players who are keen to come to us in the off season.
Obviously, we are going to need to capital to trade for this - and I'm also going to say that pick 4 is absolutely off the table.
We are going to need to find some players we can trade, that also have some value for other teams. The questions then is what positions do we have an excess of players?
Let's start with defence.
Key defenders:
Murray
Worrell
Keane
Butts
Borlase
Mid sized defenders:
Max M
Hinge
Nankervis
Dawson
Milera
Smith
O Ryan
Small defenders:
Bond
Max M
Laird
Jones
Hamill
Parnell
I haven't included Curtin as I suspect he will play mid/forward and not defence.
I will assume Parnell and Hamill are delists. I also believe Smith has met his triggers for a contract next year.
I would say we have 1 surplus in Key defenders and 1 in mid sized defenders, although this is tricky because it depends on Milera and Smith.
If we need assets to trade for Cummins and Lukosious, out of the defenders I would reluctantly be willing to trade out one of Butts/Keane (I think Keane would have more value) and possibly Nankervis (although I really like him as a player).
Both might offer some value in a trade and we have cover for both.
I will look at midfield depth next.
Thoughts here?
Could be a Luke brown moment where he realises his career is done and gets a pay outYeah, been a great clubman, but I hope Smithers gets the message
I suspect he won’t retire whilst still under contract, though
I'd trade Laird just to get his salary and toxic behaviour off the books.Nank untouchable
Keane at the right price but preferably not
Laird is the one I’d trade , follow the hawks model
Laird for Oliver?The problem with trading Laird is that someone has to want him.
Spoiler alert: they don’t.
Doesn’t look like we’re losing anyone important outside of Walker thereIn the next two years, we will or should have to replace:
Smith (retired)
Walker (retired)
Himmelberg (free agent)
Berry (trade)
Gollant (trade/delist)
ROB (trade)
Murphy (trade/delist)
Parnell (delisted)
McHenry (delisted)
Strachan (delisted)
Burgess (delisted)
Hamill (free agent)
That’s 12 players over two seasons and still leaves the likes of Schoenberg, Laird, Crouch, Borlase on the list.
Anyone who thinks our rebuild is over is absolutely kidding themselves.
Laird would get plenty of interest as a half backThe problem with trading Laird is that someone has to want him.
Spoiler alert: they don’t.
A rare trade where both clubs somehow loseLaird for Oliver?
I’d say the Achilles injury will see him outSchoenberg is lucky he is contracted. Him and Berry aren't AFL standard and we need to move them on. Too much of our list is taken up by potential mids
He’s the main one to tradeI'd trade Laird just to get his salary and toxic behaviour off the books.
He was moved into the midfield largely because his back flank form was that bad.Laird would get plenty of interest as a half back
Did we successfully destroy the Showdown footage where he played half back and absolutely botched everything he went near?Laird would get plenty of interest as a half back