List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Danger in Texas]

He’s the main one to trade

Keane id rather keep

Berry 50/50 prob trade but not for peanuts

If we do trade Keane, this is the year to do so before he potentially requests a move next year

I’m torn, he’s probably required depth but the brain fades are really starting to annoy me. If Collingwood ponies up…

 

[Jeffcrowe]

He was moved into the midfield largely because his back flank form was that bad.
This was 4 years ago.

More to do with our midfield at time

He’d get interest for sure

Players who wouldn’t get interest
Gollant
Ned
Strachan
Hamill

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Did we successfully destroy the Showdown footage where he played half back and absolutely botched everything he went near?

He’s slow, can’t kick, and makes horrendous decisions by hand and foot routinely. If anyone is looking for a 30 year old half back with those traits, good luck to them.

He’d have interest if he was up for trade , rightly or wrongly

 

[Danger in Texas]

It’s a real shame the club seems to be wearing Laird-coloured glasses

We’d clearly be a better side without him, but the current regime seems to totally respect his stat-padding

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If we do trade Keane, this is the year to do so before he potentially requests a move next year

I’m torn, he’s probably required depth but the brain fades are really starting to annoy me. If Collingwood ponies up…

As long as we are ok with Borlaise being a depth defender who will get games occasionally

I’d do it for a top 30 pick

 

[Jeffcrowe]

It’s a real shame the club seems to be wearing Laird-coloured glasses

We’d clearly be a better side without him, but the current regime seems to totally respect his stat-padding

Yep disappointing

 

[Danger in Texas]

As long as we are ok with Borlaise being a depth defender who will get games occasionally

I’d do it for a top 30 pick

An OOC Ratugolea got Geelong pick 25. I’d be looking in that ballpark

Maybe 32 and Coll’s F2 for Keane and our F3 would work?

 

[George Kramer]

People on this board also forget the general consensus on this board was Jackson Hately was their favoured pick in 2018, at least Chayce and Neddy are still on an AFL list in 2024.
They also forget the general consensus on this board was we should take Dylan Stephens in 2019 who is at his 2nd club (Kangaroos) after Sydney jettisoned him and hardly setting the world on fire managing 15 games subbed off 3 times and subbed on twice.

Who gives a flying what the general consensus on this board is, none are highly paid experienced recruiters

 

[George Kramer]

This isn’t something to boast about

Playing SANFL…..

 

[George Kramer]

Michael Hurley, Lachie Ploughman, Jacob Weitering and Caleb Marchbank were all KPD's and drafted Pick 6 or higher.

And those clubs also drafted midfielders with high picks, next deflection?

 

[huludicidal]

If we do trade Keane, this is the year to do so before he potentially requests a move next year

I’m torn, he’s probably required depth but the brain fades are really starting to annoy me. If Collingwood ponies up…

As long as we are ok with Borlaise being a depth defender who will get games occasionally

I’d do it for a top 30 pick

I’m ok with Borlase being retained as depth, and I’m more than ok with Murray / Butts / Worrell being our first choice defensive trio over Keane.

I’m also ok with bringing in another key defender with a later pick in this year’s ocean deep draft, if we do trade Keane.


Trade Keane and Berry. Absolutely trade Laird if anyone wants him but yeah, i don’t see the market for him.

Draft Lalor or Draper at our first pick.

Use the bounty from Keane and Berry to bring in Neale-Bullen and Lukosius (throwing in a future 2nd with a future 3rd coming back our way).

Bring in Cumming as a FA.

Attempt to trade up into the teens to take whoever is available out of Travaglia, Lindsay, Dodson or J Berry.

If that pick isn’t Dodson, trade for a cheap ruck (Nick Bryan, Liam Reidy - noting that we have to complete this trade before the draft, so just trade for the damn ruck and don’t worry too
Much about Dodson - those other 3 prospects are ludicrous value in the teens for mine and may well prove to be worth trading a future first for, as reluctant as I’d be to trade a future first because I have no confidence that we’ll be any good next year under this coaching regime).

Take a tall late in the draft. There’s a ton of them.



That’s a successful offseason.


Hands up if you think we’ll botch it? Lol

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I’m ok with Borlase being retained as depth, and I’m more than ok with Murray / Butts / Worrell being our first choice defensive trio over Keane.

I’m also ok with bringing in another key defender with a later pick in this year’s ocean deep draft, if we do trade Keane.


Trade Keane and Berry. Absolutely trade Laird if anyone wants him but yeah, i don’t see the market for him.

Draft Lalor or Draper at our first pick.

Use the bounty from Keane and Berry to bring in Neale-Bullen and Lukosius (throwing in a future 2nd with a future 3rd coming back our way).

Bring in Cumming as a FA.

Attempt to trade up into the teens to take whoever is available out of Travaglia, Lindsay, Dodson or J Berry.

If that pick isn’t Dodson, trade for a cheap ruck (Nick Bryan, Liam Reidy - noting that we have to complete this trade before the draft, so just trade for the damn ruck and don’t worry too
Much about Dodson - those other 3 prospects are ludicrous value in the teens for mine and may well prove to be worth trading a future first for, as reluctant as I’d be to trade a future first because I have no confidence that we’ll be any good next year under this coaching regime).

Take a tall late in the draft. There’s a ton of them.



That’s a successful offseason.


Hands up if you think we’ll botch it? Lol

Yep big fan of those draft boys too but fear other clubs will be as well so those 10-15 picks will be super hard to obtain

We still need heaps of things after getting a mid including a ruck and small forwards , I think the game is heading further to the model of giants and hawks with lots of speedy small forwards that pressure but can also create offence ( I guess Richmond were the original )

 

[wimpy]

I’m ok with Borlase being retained as depth, and I’m more than ok with Murray / Butts / Worrell being our first choice defensive trio over Keane.

I’m also ok with bringing in another key defender with a later pick in this year’s ocean deep draft, if we do trade Keane.


Trade Keane and Berry. Absolutely trade Laird if anyone wants him but yeah, i don’t see the market for him.

Draft Lalor or Draper at our first pick.

Use the bounty from Keane and Berry to bring in Neale-Bullen and Lukosius (throwing in a future 2nd with a future 3rd coming back our way).

Bring in Cumming as a FA.

Attempt to trade up into the teens to take whoever is available out of Travaglia, Lindsay, Dodson or J Berry.

If that pick isn’t Dodson, trade for a cheap ruck (Nick Bryan, Liam Reidy - noting that we have to complete this trade before the draft, so just trade for the damn ruck and don’t worry too
Much about Dodson - those other 3 prospects are ludicrous value in the teens for mine and may well prove to be worth trading a future first for, as reluctant as I’d be to trade a future first because I have no confidence that we’ll be any good next year under this coaching regime).

Take a tall late in the draft. There’s a ton of them.



That’s a successful offseason.


Hands up if you think we’ll botch it? Lol

Spot on post. The Crows will balls it up.
I would even try to look at some how bringing our next years 1st rounder forward and getting another first round selection this year.
It's a year if everything is done properly could set the Crows up for the next 8-10 years.

 

[Crow_68]

If we do trade Keane, this is the year to do so before he potentially requests a move next year

I’m torn, he’s probably required depth but the brain fades are really starting to annoy me. If Collingwood ponies up…

Swap him with Joe Richards.

 

[WeeBlake]

Graham Wright to head of football? Would be a great get.

 

[Mutineer]

Let's have a look at Sydney 1st round picks over the same 10 year period who reputedly have had the best recruiters in the business Kinnear Beatson and for the last couple of years another highly rated recruiter Simon Dalrymple doing their recruiting.

2014 - Pick 18 - Isaac Heeney

5

Isaac Heeney

Age

28

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

4.9

5star

T

4.1

5star

CL

2.2

4star

D

14.3

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.5

3star

M

4.8

4star

T

2.5

3star

CL

0.8

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.8

3star

- Sydney Academy so only available to them.
2015 - Pick 3 - Callum Mills

14

Callum Mills

Age

27

Ht

188cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

7.4

5star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

D

18.4

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

6.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

3.4

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

1.2

4star

- Sydney Academy - see above
2016 - Pick 11 - Oliver Florent

13

Oliver Florent

Age

26

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

MG

350.0

5star

D

18.3

4star

K

11.7

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.1

3star

MG

350.0

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.2

4star

- Pick 21 - Will Hayward

9

Will Hayward

Age

26

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

9.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

4.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.4

5star

2017 - Pick 14 - Matthew Ling
2018 - Pick 10 - Nick Blakey

22

Nick Blakey

Age

24

Ht

196cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.4

4star

MG

189.1

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

189.1

3star

D

7.2

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.2

2star

T

1.2

3star

- Sydney Academy - see above
2019 - Pick 5 - Dylan Stephens

15

Dylan Stephens

Age

23

Ht

184cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

2020 - Pick 4 - Logan McDonald - Pick 5 - Sydney Academy - see above
2021 - Pick 18 - Angus Sheldrick
2022 - Pick 21 Jacob Konstanty
2023 - Pick 16 Will Green - Pick 24 Caiden Cleary - Sydney Academy - see above.

No recruiters, even the best get every 1st round pick right

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Let's have a look at Sydney 1st round picks over the same 10 year period who have reputedly have had the best recruiters in the business Kinnear Beatson and for the last couple of years another highly rated recruiter Simon Dalrymple doing their recruiting.

2014 - Pick 18 - Isaac Heeney - Sydney Academy so only available to them.
2015 - Pick 3 - Callum Mills - Sydney Academy - see above
2016 - Pick 11 - Oliver Florent - Pick 21 - Will Hayward
2017 - Pick 14 - Matthew Ling
2018 - Pick 10 - Nick Blakey - Sydney Academy - see above
2019 - Pick 5 - Dylan Stephens
2020 - Pick 4 - Logan McDonald
2021 - Pick 18 - Angus Sheldrick
2022 - Pick 21 Jacob Konstanty
2023 - Pick 16 Will Green - Pick 24 Caiden Cleary - Sydney Academy - see above.

No recruiters, even the best get every 1st round pick right

That’s actually really poor

The best swans picks have been Warner Rowbottom Mcinerny Papley well after the 1st round but all amazing gets …. Just elite drafting which makes up for the 1st round errors

They’re also good at targeted trading for needs

I’d say collingwoods drafting has been way worse , somehow they won a flag

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Graham Wright to head of football? Would be a great get.

Think he’s keen to get out of football or for different role in football

 

[Mutineer]

What the above says it's time to give the 2 SA clubs an Academy to pick the eyes out of the young talent coming through to develop in their junior pathways given NSW and Qld's population advantages, NSW 4x and Qld 3x.

 

[119others]

I’m ok with Borlase being retained as depth, and I’m more than ok with Murray / Butts / Worrell being our first choice defensive trio over Keane.

I’m also ok with bringing in another key defender with a later pick in this year’s ocean deep draft, if we do trade Keane.

Hands up if you think we’ll botch it? Lol

This year Murray has played 8 games, Butts 15 and Worrell 12.

Would you be happy Borlase playing EVERY single week if we get another similar run of injuries? And thats just covering for Murray/Butts. And then the new draftee - taken at whatever pick after 50 - will be expected to play half the games that Worrell missed? Or do we put Curtin back as a KPD?

Just not sure how so many posters dont value having depth in a critical area. Borlase playing every game this year and new draftee/Curtin as 3rd tall for half the games is what you are suggesting we go with assuming similar injuries next year

 

[Danger in Texas]

Think he’s keen to get out of football or for different role in football

Tassie team director?

 

[Mutineer]

Think he’s keen to get out of football or for different role in football

That does appear to be the case...might head back to Tassie for a role with them being a Devonport native?

 

[Ham]

Hows Oscar Steene go from Collingwood? They seem to have 5 rucks on their list and are allegedly adding Alex Condon - a 211cm basketballer


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[119others]

That’s actually really poor

The best swans picks have been Warner Rowbottom Mcinerny Papley well after the 1st round but all amazing gets …. Just elite drafting which makes up for the 1st round errors

They’re also good at targeted trading for needs

I’d say collingwoods drafting has been way worse , somehow they won a flag

take out FS Blakey and Academy players they can hide away like Gulden, plus Heeney, Mills and Campbell and it covers a lot of mistakes. These nth academies are going to create monsters - esp the GC one with the talent apparently coming thru over coming years after 4 first rounders last year

 

[Mutineer]

Tassie team director?

Ya beat me by a split second...