Tex would absolutely
Smith, Stachan, Murphy, Schoey are all delist and rookie options though
No he wouldn't, he's said there's no way he's going interstate.
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Tex would absolutely
Smith, Stachan, Murphy, Schoey are all delist and rookie options though
that wont stop someone picking him. ever heard of port who have no tall forwards.... strachan and smith and murphy if someone picks them yeehaNo he wouldn't, he's said there's no way he's going interstate.
Sure, but first the player has to be delisted and contract paid out if still in contract, then he has to be redrafted in the rookie draft.We can move players from the main list to rookie list though.
Smith... who really should be delisted.
Murphy.
This...What about the 4th quarters this year.......
Imagine the frothing on bf if we put Smith into the rookie draft to open up another list spot......and someone drafted him.We can move players from the main list to rookie list though.
Smith... who really should be delisted.
Murphy.
F1 to GC for Luko and a 3rd .Need to stay firm with GC for Luko - I can see us caving
Getting in
ANB - pick 25
Luko - F2
Cumming- FA
Move who we have to rookie list
Need to go into the draft with 3 list spots while still holding out F1 to trade on the night
4- O’Sullivan
Pick in teens for F1- Dodson
Welsh
Like itF1 to GC for Luko and a 3rd .
F2 for ANB. We took a F2 from Melbourne for McAdam, so.they can take a F2 for ANB.
Cummins FA
Pick 4 for Draper
Pick 25 Dodson.
3rd rounders match Welsh
Don't think you can trade a F1 and F2.F1 to GC for Luko and a 3rd .
F2 for ANB. We took a F2 from Melbourne for McAdam, so.they can take a F2 for ANB.
Cummins FA
Pick 4 for Draper
Pick 25 Dodson.
3rd rounders match Welsh
I think he is in that 20-25 range. It all depends what teams need a ruck at that pick range. North took Goad last year, so won't be looking, and alot of teams don't believe in using high picks for rucks, and prefer to get them via trade.or rookie.Like it
But no way Dodson lasts to 25
There's no need to promote Keane until the end of next year.Sure, but first the player has to be delisted and contract paid out if still in contract, then he has to be redrafted in the rookie draft.
The Crows already did that with Hamill and Borlase. Hamil is likely to stay on the list.
Also, Keane will now have to be elevated to the main list due to his contract extension.
We won't have enough main list spots to do everything that we are looking at.
Correct, unless we trade an F1 or F2 back in.Don't think you can trade a F1 and F2.
Imagine the frothing on bf if we put Smith into the rookie draft to open up another list spot......and someone drafted him.
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We can only carry 42 senior listed and Cat A players, I believeHere’s my crack at our predicted offseason moves and list structure once it’s all said and done…
Note: We can have anywhere between 36 and 38 players on our senior list for 2025, and then the Cat A plus Cat B rookies can take us to a maximum of 44 players total.
Out:
Sloane (Senior list) - retired
Parnell (Rookie list) - delisted
Gollant (S) - delisted
McHenry (S) - delisted
Hamill (R) - delisted
Himmelberg (S) - leaves as FA
Keane (R)* - upgrade to senior list seemingly inevitable
Smith (S)* - downgraded to rookie list a la Mackay
Strachan (S)* - downgraded because he’s horrendous
Chris Burgess (S)* - downgraded because nobody wants him and we need another senior list spot
In:
Pick 4 (S)
Keane (S) (upgraded from rookie list)
Lukosius (S) - via trade
Cumming (S) - via FA
ANB (S) - via trade
Smith (R) (Doing a David Mackay)
Strachan (R) (delisted and re-rookied)
Welsh (S) - via National Draft
One more national draft pick (S)
Burgess (R) (delisted and re-rookied)
Senior list for 2025:
1) Chayce Jones
2) Ben Keays
3) Sam Berry
4) Lachie Murphy
5) Matt Crouch
6) Daniel Curtin
7) Riley Thilthorpe
8) Josh Rachele
9) Pick 4*
10) Luke Pedlar
11) Charlie Edwards
12) Jordan Dawson
13) Taylor Walker
14) Jake Soligo
15) Brayden Cook
16) Max Michalanney
17) Tyler Welsh*
18) Isaac Cumming*
19) Zac Taylor
20) Mitch Hinge
21) Jack Lukosius*
22) Oscar Ryan
23) Izak Rankine
24) Josh Worrell
25) Alex Neal-Bullen*
26) Harry Schoenberg
27) Luke Nankervis
28) Nick Murray
29) Rory Laird
30) Wayne Milera
31) Billy Dowling
32) Darcy Fogarty
33) Lachie Sholl
34) Hugh Bond
35) Jordon Butts
36) Reilly O’Brien
37) One more National Draft pick (ruck or lightning quick small forward)*
38) Mark Keane*
Cat A rookie list:
39) Brodie Smith*
40) Kieran Strachan*
41) James Borlase
42) Toby Murray
43) Chris Burgess*
Cat B rookie list:
44) Karl Gallagher
Other possibilities:
1) Maybe Cumming doesn’t nominate us - means we retain Burgess on senior list and have the option of taking someone in the rookie draft OR we trade in someone like Rosas or a ruckman instead of signing Cumming and everything else stays the same
2) Maybe we don’t take anyone besides Welsh and Pick 4 at the national draft - means we retain Burgess on senior list and have the option of taking someone in the rookie draft.
3) Maybe we trade out a player to clear an extra spot. This seems extremely unlikely.
4) Maybe we downgrade Schoenberg or Bond to the rookie list instead of one of the others I’ve listed.
5) Maybe Lukosius doesn’t request to be traded to us, in which case see point 1 above and replace Cumming’s name with Lukosius.
6) Maybe we elect to go with only 37 players on the senior list, meaning that everything stays the same except our extra pick happens at the rookie draft instead of the national draft.
7) Maybe we don’t nominate Welsh as a father son in the National Draft, meaning that we get him as a rookie if he drifts through the ND without attracting a bid, thus meaning someone like Burgess would remain on the senior list in Welsh’s place.
8) Maybe one of the guys we’re potentially “re-rookieing” (ie Burgess) - we just cut ties with permanently and pay out instead of piss-farting around with horrendous depth players.
9) Maybe there’s some sneaky usage of the long-term injury list to manipulate an extra list spot if anyone still qualifies to be stashed on it (or if anyone does a knee between now and then).
10) Maybe Burgess isn’t actually contracted for 2025 (his situation is murky af) and he just becomes an easy delist, thus freeing up another list spot.
Yeah I think you might be right (although LTI lists and whatnot make this murky). All the more reason to ditch Burgess altogether if we can, or even pay out a guy like Schoenberg who just blatantly shouldn’t be playing AFL footy again.We can only carry 42 senior listed and Cat A players, I believe
Imagine the frothing on bf if we put Smith into the rookie draft to open up another list spot......and someone drafted him.
port have done it but you need afl permission. given how many first rounders we have taken i expect it would be grantedDon't think you can trade a F1 and F2.
Imagine the frothing on bf if we put Smith into the rookie draft to open up another list spot......and someone drafted him.
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this all looks quite nice. doubt GC would do that trade but anyway.DEPARTURES
Elliot Himmelberg - free agent, no compo
Rory Sloane
Chris Burgess
Lachlan Gollant
Ned McHenry
Will Hamill (R)
Patrick Parnell (R)
ROOKIE LIST "ARRIVALS"
Toby Murray
Brodie Smith
ARRIVALS
Future First and pick 38 for Jack Lukosius and pick 13
Pick 25 for Alex Neal Bullen and pick 38
Isaac Cumming - free agent
Draft picks 4, 13, Tyler Welsh.
Here’s my crack at our predicted offseason moves and list structure once it’s all said and done…
Note: We can have anywhere between 36 and 38 players on our senior list for 2025, and then the Cat A plus Cat B rookies can take us to a maximum of 44 players total.
***EDIT - the bowels of AFL list size rules appears as though it’s 36 senior plus 6 Cat A, or 37 Senior plus 5 Cat A, or 38 Senior plus 4 Cat A, so I will edit below accordingly.
Out:
Sloane (Senior list) - retired
Parnell (Rookie list) - delisted
Gollant (S) - delisted
McHenry (S) - delisted
Hamill (R) - delisted
Himmelberg (S) - leaves as FA
Keane (R)* - upgrade to senior list seemingly inevitable
Smith (S)* - downgraded to rookie list a la Mackay
Strachan (S)* - downgraded because he’s horrendous
Chris Burgess(S)* - pay the man out if he’s contracted. Delist him if he’s not. No re-rookieing. You’re gone. Bye.PLAYERCARDSTART21Chris Burgess
- Age
- 28
- Ht
- 194cm
- Wt
- 97kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 8.2
- 2star
- K
- 3.9
- 2star
- HB
- 4.3
- 3star
- M
- 2.7
- 3star
- T
- 1.6
- 4star
- G
- 0.3
- 3star
No current season stats available
- D
- 6.6
- 2star
- K
- 3.8
- 2star
- HB
- 2.8
- 3star
- M
- 2.6
- 3star
- T
- 2.4
- 4star
- G
- 0.4
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
In:
Pick 4 (S)
Keane (S) (upgraded from rookie list)
Lukosius (S) - via trade
Cumming (S) - via FA
ANB (S) - via trade
Smith (R) (Doing a David Mackay)PLAYERCARDSTART14David Mackay
- Age
- 36
- Ht
- 181cm
- Wt
- 78kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 17.0
- 4star
- K
- 9.2
- 4star
- HB
- 7.7
- 5star
- M
- 3.2
- 3star
- T
- 3.2
- 5star
- MG
- 315.4
- 4star
- D
- 16.5
- 4star
- K
- 7.0
- 3star
- HB
- 9.5
- 5star
- M
- 2.5
- 3star
- T
- 2.0
- 3star
- MG
- 265.5
- 4star
- D
- 12.0
- 3star
- K
- 6.2
- 3star
- HB
- 5.8
- 4star
- M
- 4.6
- 5star
- T
- 1.2
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
Strachan (R) (delisted and re-rookied)
Welsh (S) - via National Draft
One more national draft pick (S)
Senior list for 2025:
1) Chayce JonesPLAYERCARDSTART1Chayce Jones
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 182cm
- Wt
- 84kg
- Pos.
- D/M
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 10.0
- 3star
- K
- 5.4
- 2star
- HB
- 4.6
- 3star
- M
- 1.7
- 2star
- T
- 1.9
- 4star
- MG
- 178.6
- 3star
- D
- 8.9
- 2star
- K
- 4.9
- 2star
- HB
- 4.0
- 3star
- M
- 1.4
- 2star
- T
- 1.6
- 3star
- MG
- 143.3
- 3star
- D
- 9.4
- 3star
- K
- 4.4
- 2star
- HB
- 5.0
- 4star
- M
- 1.6
- 2star
- T
- 1.8
- 4star
- MG
- 175.0
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
2) Ben KeaysPLAYERCARDSTART2Ben Keays
- Age
- 27
- Ht
- 186cm
- Wt
- 86kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 13.1
- 3star
- K
- 5.8
- 2star
- HB
- 7.3
- 5star
- M
- 2.3
- 2star
- T
- 3.9
- 5star
- G
- 0.4
- 3star
- D
- 13.7
- 3star
- K
- 8.7
- 3star
- HB
- 5.0
- 3star
- M
- 2.8
- 3star
- T
- 3.7
- 4star
- G
- 0.3
- 3star
- D
- 13.0
- 4star
- K
- 4.8
- 2star
- HB
- 8.2
- 5star
- M
- 1.4
- 2star
- T
- 4.4
- 5star
- G
- 0.4
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
3) Sam Berry
4) Lachie Murphy
5) Matt CrouchPLAYERCARDSTART5Matt Crouch
- Age
- 29
- Ht
- 183cm
- Wt
- 85kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 28.4
- 5star
- K
- 12.0
- 4star
- HB
- 16.4
- 5star
- M
- 3.3
- 3star
- T
- 3.9
- 5star
- CL
- 4.8
- 5star
- D
- 24.9
- 5star
- K
- 9.7
- 4star
- HB
- 15.1
- 5star
- M
- 2.4
- 3star
- T
- 2.4
- 3star
- CL
- 4.4
- 5star
- D
- 21.2
- 5star
- K
- 10.4
- 4star
- HB
- 10.8
- 5star
- M
- 4.4
- 4star
- T
- 3.4
- 5star
- CL
- 2.0
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
6) Daniel Curtin
7) Riley Thilthorpe
8) Josh Rachele
9) Pick 4*
10) Luke Pedlar
11) Charlie Edwards
12) Jordan DawsonPLAYERCARDSTART12Jordan Dawson
- Age
- 27
- Ht
- 191cm
- Wt
- 91kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 17.0
- 4star
- K
- 11.4
- 4star
- HB
- 5.7
- 4star
- M
- 4.8
- 5star
- T
- 2.8
- 4star
- CL
- 0.6
- 3star
- D
- 15.7
- 4star
- K
- 10.9
- 4star
- HB
- 4.9
- 3star
- M
- 2.9
- 3star
- T
- 2.0
- 3star
- CL
- 0.4
- 3star
- D
- 11.8
- 3star
- K
- 7.8
- 3star
- HB
- 4.0
- 3star
- M
- 5.0
- 5star
- T
- 3.0
- 5star
- CL
- 0.6
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
13) Taylor WalkerPLAYERCARDSTART13Taylor Walker
- Age
- 34
- Ht
- 194cm
- Wt
- 102kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 13.0
- 3star
- K
- 9.0
- 3star
- HB
- 4.0
- 3star
- M
- 5.7
- 5star
- T
- 1.6
- 4star
- G
- 2.3
- 5star
No current season stats available
- D
- 8.0
- 2star
- K
- 6.4
- 3star
- HB
- 1.6
- 2star
- M
- 4.2
- 4star
- T
- 1.6
- 4star
- G
- 1.6
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
14) Jake Soligo
15) Brayden Cook
16) Max Michalanney
17) Tyler Welsh*
18) Isaac Cumming*PLAYERCARDSTART13Isaac Cumming
- Age
- 26
- Ht
- 188cm
- Wt
- 84kg
- Pos.
- D/M
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 11.2
- 3star
- K
- 6.0
- 2star
- HB
- 5.2
- 4star
- M
- 2.4
- 3star
- T
- 2.3
- 4star
- MG
- 158.0
- 2star
- D
- 9.5
- 2star
- K
- 5.0
- 2star
- HB
- 4.5
- 3star
- M
- 1.5
- 2star
- T
- 2.5
- 3star
- MG
- 158.0
- 3star
- D
- 10.6
- 3star
- K
- 5.6
- 3star
- HB
- 5.0
- 4star
- M
- 2.8
- 3star
- T
- 2.6
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
19) Zac Taylor
20) Mitch Hinge
21) Jack Lukosius*PLAYERCARDSTART13Jack Lukosius
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 195cm
- Wt
- 91kg
- Pos.
- D/F
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 14.8
- 4star
- K
- 11.5
- 4star
- HB
- 3.3
- 3star
- M
- 3.4
- 3star
- T
- 1.8
- 4star
- MG
- 369.3
- 5star
- D
- 14.8
- 4star
- K
- 11.5
- 4star
- HB
- 3.3
- 2star
- M
- 3.4
- 3star
- T
- 1.8
- 3star
- MG
- 369.3
- 5star
- D
- 13.6
- 4star
- K
- 11.2
- 4star
- HB
- 2.4
- 3star
- M
- 4.2
- 4star
- T
- 2.2
- 4star
- MG
- 358.0
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
22) Oscar Ryan
23) Izak RankinePLAYERCARDSTART23Izak Rankine
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 181cm
- Wt
- 82kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 13.0
- 3star
- K
- 9.0
- 3star
- HB
- 4.0
- 3star
- M
- 2.7
- 3star
- T
- 2.7
- 4star
- G
- 2.0
- 5star
- D
- 13.0
- 3star
- K
- 9.0
- 4star
- HB
- 4.0
- 3star
- M
- 2.7
- 3star
- T
- 2.7
- 4star
- G
- 2.0
- 5star
- D
- 13.0
- 4star
- K
- 9.0
- 4star
- HB
- 4.0
- 3star
- M
- 2.7
- 3star
- T
- 2.7
- 5star
- G
- 2.0
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
24) Josh Worrell
25) Alex Neal-Bullen*PLAYERCARDSTART30Alex Neal-bullen
- Age
- 28
- Ht
- 182cm
- Wt
- 80kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 15.3
- 4star
- K
- 8.7
- 3star
- HB
- 6.6
- 4star
- M
- 2.8
- 3star
- T
- 4.1
- 5star
- G
- 0.8
- 4star
- D
- 10.5
- 3star
- K
- 6.0
- 2star
- HB
- 4.5
- 3star
- M
- 2.0
- 2star
- T
- 1.5
- 2star
- G
- 1.5
- 5star
- D
- 10.0
- 3star
- K
- 5.0
- 2star
- HB
- 5.0
- 4star
- M
- 1.4
- 2star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
- G
- 1.0
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
26) Harry Schoenberg
27) Luke Nankervis
28) Nick Murray
29) Rory LairdPLAYERCARDSTART29Rory Laird
- Age
- 30
- Ht
- 177cm
- Wt
- 85kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 25.4
- 5star
- K
- 12.9
- 5star
- HB
- 12.5
- 5star
- M
- 5.4
- 5star
- T
- 2.3
- 4star
- CL
- 1.0
- 3star
- D
- 19.6
- 5star
- K
- 10.9
- 4star
- HB
- 8.7
- 4star
- M
- 3.4
- 3star
- T
- 2.4
- 3star
- CL
- 1.1
- 3star
- D
- 14.6
- 4star
- K
- 7.4
- 3star
- HB
- 7.2
- 5star
- M
- 3.2
- 4star
- T
- 4.0
- 5star
- CL
- 0.4
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
30) Wayne MileraPLAYERCARDSTART30Wayne Milera
- Age
- 27
- Ht
- 184cm
- Wt
- 88kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 16.9
- 4star
- K
- 10.0
- 4star
- HB
- 6.8
- 4star
- M
- 4.3
- 4star
- T
- 2.5
- 4star
- MG
- 265.3
- 4star
- D
- 15.0
- 4star
- K
- 8.5
- 3star
- HB
- 6.5
- 4star
- M
- 3.5
- 3star
- T
- 1.0
- 2star
- MG
- 282.0
- 4star
- D
- 11.4
- 3star
- K
- 5.8
- 3star
- HB
- 5.6
- 4star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 1.4
- 4star
- MG
- 182.0
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
31) Billy Dowling
32) Darcy FogartyPLAYERCARDSTART32Darcy Fogarty
- Age
- 24
- Ht
- 194cm
- Wt
- 100kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 8.5
- 2star
- K
- 5.7
- 2star
- HB
- 2.8
- 2star
- M
- 3.7
- 4star
- T
- 1.7
- 4star
- G
- 1.2
- 4star
- D
- 6.3
- 1star
- K
- 4.0
- 1star
- HB
- 2.3
- 2star
- M
- 3.0
- 3star
- T
- 2.3
- 3star
- G
- 1.0
- 4star
- D
- 8.0
- 2star
- K
- 5.4
- 2star
- HB
- 2.6
- 3star
- M
- 3.4
- 4star
- T
- 2.6
- 4star
- G
- 1.0
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
33) Lachie Sholl
34) Hugh Bond
35) Jordon Butts
36) Reilly O’Brien
37) One more National Draft pick (ruck or lightning quick small forward)*
38) Mark Keane*
Cat A rookie list:
39) Brodie Smith*PLAYERCARDSTART33Brodie Smith
- Age
- 32
- Ht
- 189cm
- Wt
- 88kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 19.5
- 5star
- K
- 12.3
- 5star
- HB
- 7.2
- 4star
- M
- 4.2
- 4star
- T
- 2.1
- 4star
- MG
- 500.1
- 5star
- D
- 17.1
- 4star
- K
- 12.6
- 5star
- HB
- 4.5
- 3star
- M
- 3.5
- 3star
- T
- 2.3
- 3star
- MG
- 438.9
- 5star
- D
- 17.2
- 5star
- K
- 10.8
- 4star
- HB
- 6.4
- 4star
- M
- 3.8
- 4star
- T
- 3.6
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
40) Kieran Strachan*
41) James Borlase
42) Toby Murray
Cat B rookie list:
44) Karl Gallagher
Other possibilities:
1) Maybe Cumming doesn’t nominate us - means we retain Burgess on senior list OR have the option of taking someone else in the national or rookie draft OR we trade in someone like Rosas or a ruckman instead of signing Cumming and everything else stays the same
2) Maybe we don’t take anyone besides Welsh and Pick 4 at the national draft - means we retain Burgess on senior list OR have the option of taking someone in the rookie draft.
3) Maybe we trade out a player to clear an extra spot. This seems extremely unlikely.
4) Maybe we downgrade Schoenberg or Bond to the rookie list instead of one of the others I’ve listed.
5) Maybe Lukosius doesn’t request to be traded to us, in which case see point 1 above and replace Cumming’s name with Lukosius.
6) Maybe we elect to go with only 37 players on the senior list, meaning that everything stays the same except our extra pick happens at the rookie draft instead of the national draft.
7) Maybe we don’t nominate Welsh as a father son in the National Draft, meaning that we get him as a rookie if he drifts through the ND without attracting a bid, thus meaning Strachan or Smith would remain on the senior list in Welsh’s place.
8) Maybe there’s some sneaky usage of the long-term injury list to manipulate an extra list spot if anyone still qualifies to be stashed on it (or if anyone does a knee between now and then).
9) Maybe we don’t pay out / delist Burgess, meaning we have no additional draft picks at the national or rookie drafts besides Pick 4 and Welsh.