List Mgmt. 2024 National Draft - November 20-21

[Jen2310]

 

[celestial]

You would find history suggests that NGA and even father/sons often go later than most expect. I think only Jamara (at pick 1) was held to account. Even your own Nick Daicos was quite easily in the top 2 players of his draft year went at 4 despite every tom, dick, harry and the pool cleaners dog knowing full well you would match.

Kako has been projected to be a mid teens selections, missed a big patch at the back end of the year and has somehow grown in nature. Blows my mind.


Apart from the "**** Essendon" argument, there is genuinely no feasible explanation why clubs are bidding on Kako inside 10

Agree. In a draft that is supposedly deep, the cost of sliding down few picks for eliminating a whole lot of picks is surely worth considering.

 

[Yoda_]

Agree. In a draft that is supposedly deep, the cost of sliding down few picks for eliminating a whole lot of picks is surely worth considering

fortunately my friend, clubs think with there heads and not there heart

 

[manicpie]

You would find history suggests that NGA and even father/sons often go later than most expect. I think only Jamara (at pick 1) was held to account. Even your own Nick Daicos was quite easily in the top 2 players of his draft year went at 4 despite every tom, dick, harry and the pool cleaners dog knowing full well you would match.

Kako has been projected to be a mid teens selections, missed a big patch at the back end of the year and has somehow grown in nature. Blows my mind.


Apart from the "**** Essendon" argument, there is genuinely no feasible explanation why clubs are bidding on Kako inside 10

i'd bid on Kako in the top 10, every bit as good as the wizard from Hawthorn

 

[Yoda_]

i'd bid on Kako in the top 10, every bit as good as the wizard from Hawthorn

Most draft watchers respectfully disagree

 

[manicpie]

Most draft watchers respectfully disagree

Not my draft watcher and he actually works in the industry. Kako could be even better

 

[celestial]

fortunately my friend, clubs think with there heads and not there heart

Well brisbane, gc and esssendon have 20 picks between them. So I am keen to see if clubs at the top end see it as a benefit for the clubs mentioned above to be forced to burn through their entire draft capital.

 

[sr36]

Most draft watchers respectfully disagree

The draft watchers that matter clearly dont disagree. Essendon wouldn't have traded 9 if it wasn't a distinct possibility.

You're in an interesting position on draft night. I think you'll be making some massive offers to get back into the draft if Kako stays on the board for a while.

 

[Yoda_]

Not my draft watcher and he actually works in the industry. Kako could be even better

unless your mate is one who will be making the decision then it would all be here say anyway if Kako is bid on the top 10

Well brisbane, gc and esssendon have 20 picks between them. So I am keen to see if clubs at the top end see it as a benefit for the clubs mentioned above to burn through their entire draft capital.

Again, head certainly over rides heart as much as all of us amateur nuffies on a footy forum want to **** another club over. Its less likely than likely to happen

 

[Yoda_]

The draft watchers that matter clearly do. Essendon wouldn't have traded 9 if it wasn't a distinct possibility.

You're in an interesting position on draft night. I think you'll be making some massive offers to get back into the draft if Kako stays on the board for a while.

everything is a possibility. We got draft capital that was a good deal so decided to do it. As someone mentioned earlier, if a bid comes after 11 or whatever then we would win out with the pick swaps we have completed.

 

[manicpie]

unless your mate is one who will be making the decision then it would all be here say anyway if Kako is bid on the top 10


Again, head certainly over rides heart as much as all of us amateur nuffies on a footy forum want to **** another club over. Its less likely than likely to happen

You might have to accept that no one is ****ing you over. Kako will go top 12, like it or not. I have no interest in ****ing essendon over, the boy is a gun and it's time to accept it rather than feeling hard done by

 

[Yoda_]

You might have to accept that no one is ****ing you over. Kako will go top 12, like it or not. I have no interest in ****ing essendon over, the boy is a gun and it's time to accept it rather than feeling hard done by

as I mentioned earlier, nearly every draft watcher during the year had Kako in the early to mid teens.

somehow, without playing, he has grown in stature. maths doesn't add up




fwiw, we match regardless.. this notion that Essendon will be ripped off by being bid on earlier than anyone expected staggers me is all I am saying

 

[celestial]

unless your mate is one who will be making the decision then it would all be here say anyway if Kako is bid on the top 10


Again, head certainly over rides heart as much as all of us amateur nuffies on a footy forum want to **** another club over. Its less likely than likely to happen

20 selections being removed is a logical move (which is essentially 16 live selections as 4 of those will be the bid picks) ,no heart required. In a draft as deep as this, each selection used up is one more player that becomes available for teams below. There is a lot of benefit to doing it.

Sure our expertise doesn't match the clubs drafting, but the logic in seeing 16 less live selections cannot be denied.

 

[manicpie]

as I mentioned earlier, nearly every draft watcher during the year had Kako in the early to mid teens.

somehow, without playing, he has grown in stature. maths doesn't add up




fwiw, we match regardless.. this notion that Essendon will be ripped off by being bid on earlier than anyone expected staggers me is all I am saying

No one is bidding on a player before his time. That makes no sense. If he gets bid on in the top 15, it means that the club thinks he's worth that pick. Get with the times yoda

 

[sr36]

Agree. In a draft that is supposedly deep, the cost of sliding down few picks for eliminating a whole lot of picks is surely worth considering.

It might work the other way though. If you want to move later picks up, you may eliminate more picks by a later bid on Kako.

Essendon currently hold 28 and 31 and then a heap of lesser point value picks after that. If they don't do an early trade, 28 and 31 would have to be used to match an early bid and will pay for a lot of it. Whereas with a later bid, they're likely to have traded out those picks and will use more picks to match.

 

[Yoda_]

I am not discounting he distinct possibility that Isaac is bid on inside 10, I would be very surprised if it did happen. Not only because most draft watchers had him in the teens but because history also suggests academy and NGA players are often bid on later than anticipated.

Might leave it here, bu thanks for the brief debate guys, will let you be now

 

[manicpie]

I am not discounting he distinct possibility that Isaac is bid on inside 10, I would be very surprised if it did happen. Not only because most draft watchers had him in the teens but because history also suggests academy and NGA players are often bid on later than anticipated.

Might leave it here, bu thanks for the brief debate guys, will let you be now

Don't stress, either way you're getting a quality player and a big need for your club

 

[celestial]

It might work the other way though. If you want to move later picks up, you may eliminate more picks by a later bid on Kako.

Essendon currently hold 28 and 31 and then a heap of lesser point value picks after that. If they don't do an early trade, 28 and 31 would have to be used to match an early bid and will pay for a lot of it. Whereas with a later bid, they're likely to have traded out those picks and will use more picks to match.

I think given where essendons picks are, better off eliminating their picks rather than giving them the opportunity to trade down.

 

[celestial]

I am not discounting he distinct possibility that Isaac is bid on inside 10, I would be very surprised if it did happen. Not only because most draft watchers had him in the teens but because history also suggests academy and NGA players are often bid on later than anticipated.

Might leave it here, bu thanks for the brief debate guys, will let you be now

I would watch out for ross and the saints.

 

[sr36]

everything is a possibility. We got draft capital that was a good deal so decided to do it. As someone mentioned earlier, if a bid comes after 11 or whatever then we would win out with the pick swaps we have completed.

The trade was about a potential Kako bid. You'll be trying to get back in and offering as much if not more than you got.

It'll be earlier than 11 that you don't need 28 and 31 to match, as your later picks will move up and become worth more points after Ashcroft is matched.

I think you'll be offering f1, f2, 28 and 31 to the Saints for pick 8.

 

[unplugged]

You would find history suggests that NGA and even father/sons often go later than most expect. I think only Jamara (at pick 1) was held to account. Even your own Nick Daicos was quite easily in the top 2 players of his draft year went at 4 despite every tom, dick, harry and the pool cleaners dog knowing full well you would match.

Kako has been projected to be a mid teens selections, missed a big patch at the back end of the year and has somehow grown in nature. Blows my mind.


Apart from the "**** Essendon" argument, there is genuinely no feasible explanation why clubs are bidding on Kako inside 10

Let's not forget Dodoro and his Mosquito fist pump moment.

 

[Yoda_]

The trade was about a potential Kako bid. You'll be trying to get back in and offering as much if not more than you got.

It'll be earlier than 11 that you don't need 28 and 31 to match, as your later picks will move up and become worth more points after Ashcroft is matched.

I think you'll be offering f1, f2, 28 and 31 to the Saints for pick 8.

We'll match any bid and then maybe move back in

 

[Yoda_]

Let's not forget Dodoro and his Mosquito fist pump moment.

Dodoro not there anymore at all, in any capacity. Time to move on

 

[sr36]

I think given where essendons picks are, better off eliminating their picks rather than giving them the opportunity to trade down.

It really depends on the club and where their picks are. For us, we want the maximum number of picks used to match before 52, doesn't matter what numbers they are. Them using 4 picks in the 40s to match is better than them using 28 and 31 to match. But if we were holding picks in the 30s, we'd want 28 and 31 used to match rather than being traded out and used by another club.

 

[JuniorB]

Well brisbane, gc and esssendon have 20 picks between them. So I am keen to see if clubs at the top end see it as a benefit for the clubs mentioned above to be forced to burn through their entire draft capital.

The reigning premier is getting probably the best player in the draft, and GC paid peanuts for 4 first round rated players last year.
They should both be made to pay as much as possible in bid matching.
And Essendon - yeah why not!

 

[sr36]

We'll match any bid and then maybe move back in

Why would you wait until you've matched to try to move back in?

You'll know exactly when you've got enough points to match with your later picks.

And you'll be able to move higher if you're still holding 28 and 31 and can include them in an offer, rather than them having been eaten by matching. And that will be quite early in the draft - before a Kako bid.