List Mgmt. 2024 National Draft - November 20-21

[Jen2310]

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Post in thread '2024 National Draft - November 20-21'
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This clearly doesn't specify whether than applies to a pick NOT traded within that draft though.

Teams have absolutely received back their own picks in trades where they have traded a future draft pick and then gotten it back the next year, so there's a limit to what this applies to, and I've yet to see anything definitive to say that this specifically prohibits the type of trade we're actually discussing.

 

[Rusty Beam]

I’ve re-watched every game I could and changed up my order a bit based on who could possibly be available. I’m happy to lock these 10 names in as my favourites for us, and I’ll be cheering if 3 of them are selected.

One of (in order of preference):
1. Tom Simms
2. Kayle Gerreyn
3. Harry O’Farrell
4. Charlie Nicholls
5. Gabriel Stumpf

Simms is really unlikely, but I’m desperately hoping Gerreyn, or even O’Farrell slide a bit to us.

Two of (in order of preference):
1. Lachie Jaques
2. Zak Johnson
3. Luke Kennedy
4. Luke Urquhart
5. Oliver Warburton

Not sure if we will have a spot for Doug Kerr on the rookie list, but I’d also be taking him. Luke Quaynor can play VFL and possibly be a mid season prospect.

 

[Couch Coach]

I’ve re-watched every game I could and changed up my order a bit based on who could possibly be available. I’m happy to lock these 10 names in as my favourites for us, and I’ll be cheering if 3 of them are selected.

One of (in order of preference):
1. Tom Simms
2. Kayle Gerreyn
3. Harry O’Farrell
4. Charlie Nicholls
5. Gabriel Stumpf

Simms is really unlikely, but I’m desperately hoping Gerreyn, or even O’Farrell slide a bit to us.

Two of (in order of preference):
1. Lachie Jaques
2. Zak Johnson
3. Luke Kennedy
4. Luke Urquhart
5. Oliver Warburton

Not sure if we will have a spot for Doug Kerr on the rookie list, but I’d also be taking him. Luke Quaynor can play VFL and possibly be a mid season prospect.

My list:
Unlikely but would be over the moon if they slid:

1. Noah Mraz (KPD)
2. James Barrat (KPD)
3. Jonty Faull (KPF)

Potentially Available in order:

1. Thomas Sims (KPF)
2. Harry O'Farrell (KPD)
3. Clancy Dennis (KPD)
4. Charlie West (KPF)
5. Kayle Gerreyn (KPF) (I don't rate him as high as others do)
6. Charlie Nicholls (KPF) (I don't rate him as high as others do)

I have purposly only rated talls as with late picks I would rather take risks on talls given our list profile.
With Steene and Smit already on the list I have dropped KPF/R down the order in favour of KPD or more pack marking KPF's.

If we end up taking any mids I would rather versitile players like Luke Kennedy rather than defined position players (ie., inside mid, winger, rebound defender).

 

[sr36]

My list:
Unlikely but would be over the moon if they slid:

1. Noah Mraz (KPD)
2. James Barrat (KPD)
3. Jonty Faull (KPF)

Potentially Available in order:

1. Thomas Sims (KPF)
2. Harry O'Farrell (KPD)
3. Clancy Dennis (KPD)
4. Charlie West (KPF)
5. Kayle Gerreyn (KPF) (I don't rate him as high as others do)
6. Charlie Nicholls (KPF) (I don't rate him as high as others do)

I have purposly only rated talls as with late picks I would rather take risks on talls given our list profile.
With Steene and Smit already on the list I have dropped KPF/R down the order in favour of KPD or more pack marking KPF's.

If we end up taking any mids I would rather versitile players like Luke Kennedy rather than defined position players (ie., inside mid, winger, rebound defender).

We're getting West, Kennedy and someone no one has discussed and thus I haven't heard of.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Not sure if we will have a spot for Doug Kerr on the rookie list, but I’d also be taking him.

We do not. Can't imagine we'll find space for him on our list for 2025. I think we'd be able to take him at the end of 2025 as an NGA player though, so if he recovers well from his injury it might be a shout for then.

 

[Mollythedolly]

We do not. Can't imagine we'll find space for him on our list for 2025. I think we'd be able to take him at the end of 2025 as an NGA player though, so if he recovers well from his injury it might be a shout for then.

Yep, this. Kerr and Quaynor will have to wait till 2025 draft for their opportunity. We currently have 21 players coming out of contract in 2025, a large proportion of them the older guys and fringe signings. You’d have to assume we’ll have more list space/flexibility then.

 

[unplugged]

I was under the impression we'd be able to trade that pick again with Brisbane given what we've done so far wasn't live trading. That might be just wishful thinking though.

I think our team will be actually hoping Richmond don't bid on Ashcroft though or the pick we want might get swallowed up.

 

[Apex36]

This clearly doesn't specify whether than applies to a pick NOT traded within that draft though.

Teams have absolutely received back their own picks in trades where they have traded a future draft pick and then gotten it back the next year, so there's a limit to what this applies to, and I've yet to see anything definitive to say that this specifically prohibits the type of trade we're actually discussing.

Aren’t we talking about pick 60/66 from this draft being traded back to Brisbane? What do future drafts have to do with this?

The whole rule was made up to prohibit this type of trade when Sydney did it early on after the points system was introduced. I seriously doubt the AFL would ok us trading back their picks to them just because the trades were made during trade period vs draft night. You need to remember they have to tick off these trades and by the letter of law posted, that’s a no go.

 

[Jen2310]

We do not. Can't imagine we'll find space for him on our list for 2025. I think we'd be able to take him at the end of 2025 as an NGA player though, so if he recovers well from his injury it might be a shout for then.

Yeah if list spots werent this time I reckon we could find room, but I think we'll have much more room in 12 months time
He'll be put on our vfl list and should start getting games mid season.
he's 5 months post surgery

 

[sr36]

I was under the impression we'd be able to trade that pick again with Brisbane given what we've done so far wasn't live trading. That might be just wishful thinking though.

I think our team will be actually hoping Richmond don't bid on Ashcroft though or the pick we want might get swallowed up.

Once the draft begins Brisbane don't have to keep the number of picks to the number of list spots (ridiculous as that is as it just defeats the whole purpose). so Brisbane will be trading picks and increasing points before the first selection.

 

[Rusty Beam]

We do not. Can't imagine we'll find space for him on our list for 2025. I think we'd be able to take him at the end of 2025 as an NGA player though, so if he recovers well from his injury it might be a shout for then.

Well that’s a shame. I wish we had simply delisted Kruger &/or Markov without the promise of picking them back up as rookies.

Sure it means paying them out, but I’d rather give the spot to a young player like Kerr, than the slight depth they offer.

 

[Couch Coach]

Well that’s a shame. I wish we had simply delisted Kruger &/or Markov without the promise of picking them back up as rookies.

Sure it means paying them out, but I’d rather give the spot to a young player like Kerr, than the slight depth they offer.

AJ (not Kreuger)

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Aren’t we talking about pick 60/66 from this draft being traded back to Brisbane? What do future drafts have to do with this?

The whole rule was made up to prohibit this type of trade when Sydney did it early on after the points system was introduced. I seriously doubt the AFL would ok us trading back their picks to them just because the trades were made during trade period vs draft night. You need to remember they have to tick off these trades and by the letter of law posted, that’s a no go.

Sydney did it within the same draft night.

This isn't that, so the situation is different, much like it is with teams receiving back their own future picks that they had traded the year prior.

It's relevant, because there's a line you cross where you can receive your own picks back in a trade, and the rule as stated is not specific enough to say whether receiving back a pick you'd traded prior to the draft is allowed or not.

 

[Couch Coach]

New phantom draft posted by GoodoilBartul has us taking:

Collingwood -

47. Harry O'Farrell 18, 196cm - key back - Calder Cannons
50. Josh Dolan 18, 178cm - small forward/midfielder - Sandringham Dragons
52. Jack Ough 17, 194cm - wing/midfielder - GWV Rebels
56. Doug Kerr 18, 192cm - medium defender - Oakleigh Chargers

The Pies look to the loing-term future and select O'Farrell as their primary key defensive prospect, before drafting Jordan De Goey

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Jordan De Goey

Age

28

Ht

188cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.1

5star

CL

2.3

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.7

3star

CL

2.3

4star

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

mini-me Dolan, a blond-locked 178cm midfielder/half forward, in this scenario. Ough is a tall 194cm midfielder/wingman who has a good feel for the game with neat disposal. The game slows up for him a bit when he has ball in hand. Had Kerr not torn an ACL this year, he'd be ready to go in 2025. The St Kevins captain is a strongly built utility, primarily a midfielder/forward now but once played a promising game on Logan Morris as a 15 year old at Coates League level quite a few years ago. Kerr tested well in early screening and I'm sure the Pies match to retain him or as in this scenario protect him by selecting him with their final pick recently acquired in a pick trade with Brisbane.

Phantom Draft - Goodoil's Phantom Draft

My mock draft, been doing these for 25 years or so on other platforms. This year extremely tough with such a deep even pool. There will be quite a few trades and Richmond's haul like never before makes things certainly very interesting. I think more picks will be taken than thought. A lot of...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Rusty Beam]

AJ (not Kreuger)

Yep. Getting my dud forwards mixed up.

 

[Mick F]

If a pick for Ashcroft comes in 4th that wipes out their picks 27,34,42. ( That leaves pick 43 for us to trade up to)
Pick 3 and it wipes out their pick 43. ( That leaves only pick 49 to trade up to)

Is there any reason Ashcroft won’t go first 2? The generosity shown to us, with Daicos, is just not good business sense.

 

[Jen2310]

New phantom draft posted by GoodoilBartul has us taking:

Collingwood -

47. Harry O'Farrell 18, 196cm - key back - Calder Cannons
50. Josh Dolan 18, 178cm - small forward/midfielder - Sandringham Dragons
52. Jack Ough 17, 194cm - wing/midfielder - GWV Rebels
56. Doug Kerr 18, 192cm - medium defender - Oakleigh Chargers

The Pies look to the loing-term future and select O'Farrell as their primary key defensive prospect, before drafting Jordan De Goey mini-me Dolan, a blond-locked 178cm midfielder/half forward, in this scenario. Ough is a tall 194cm midfielder/wingman who has a good feel for the game with neat disposal. The game slows up for him a bit when he has ball in hand. Had Kerr not torn an ACL this year, he'd be ready to go in 2025. The St Kevins captain is a strongly built utility, primarily a midfielder/forward now but once played a promising game on Logan Morris as a 15 year old at Coates League level quite a few years ago. Kerr tested well in early screening and I'm sure the Pies match to retain him or as in this scenario protect him by selecting him with their final pick recently acquired in a pick trade with Brisbane.

Phantom Draft - Goodoil's Phantom Draft

My mock draft, been doing these for 25 years or so on other platforms. This year extremely tough with such a deep even pool. There will be quite a few trades and Richmond's haul like never before makes things certainly very interesting. I think more picks will be taken than thought. A lot of...

www.bigfooty.com

Unless someones takes one of ash or markov, we won't have 4 spots I don't think. Atm we do, so undertandably people are selecting 4 for us, but think it'l be 3 players.
I would like to take the punt on Kerr, injury or not. Has big upside.

 

[Forethought]

Is there any reason Ashcroft won’t go first 2? The generosity shown to us, with Daicos, is just not good business sense.

Hi Mick, no reason at all Ashcroft shouldn’t go top 2. Data suggests he should go pick 1. I was just pointing out to others that pick 34 which some were saying we would get in a trade with the lions was impossible, and that was having him go out to pick 4.
If he goes top 2 it’s even worst for the lions as they will have to go into draft deficit next year for sure.

 

[Jen2310]

According to Chris Cavanagh we have put work into medium forward Hamish Davis, but likely gone by our pick
he said he either, we should get a good player at our first pick which he believes will end up at 47 or 48

 

[Couch Coach]

Is there any reason Ashcroft won’t go first 2? The generosity shown to us, with Daicos, is just not good business sense.

Ashcroft should be pick 1 but probably won't be:

1. Clubs like the added markability of saying they have the pick 1, helps revenue.
2. Pick 1 gets a $50K bonus, outside of the cap, so a club with pick 1 is taking money from their own player if they get them at pick 2 (after a bid)

I doubt Ashcroft slides past pick 2 though.

Generosity shown to us: JHF and Sam Darcy are no slouches and could still turn out ot be better than Nick. GWS should have bid but as they had our pick from a trade maybe we got some goodwill there.

 

[satanshoof101]

According to Chris Cavanagh we have put work into medium forward Hamish Davis, but likely gone by our pick
he said he either, we should get a good player at our first pick which he believes will end up at 47 or 48

Hamish Davis said he is a Collingwood supporter and that Pendles and Swanny are his favourite player.


Edit: But will most definitely be gone at our pick.

 

[Apex36]

Sydney did it within the same draft night.

This isn't that, so the situation is different, much like it is with teams receiving back their own future picks that they had traded the year prior.

Once again, why does that matter. The rule doesn’t say it only applies to the one night. If it doesn’t specify you only can’t do it during live trading on draft night, and the rule is listed under the AFL trading rules, isn’t it more likely to be a blanket rule that applies regardless of the timeline?

It's relevant, because there's a line you cross where you can receive your own picks back in a trade, and the rule as stated is not specific enough to say whether receiving back a pick you'd traded prior to the draft is allowed or not.

Can you please provide an example of a recent trade where a club received a pick back they traded out, directly from the club they traded it to in the same year?

 

[Soups]

According to Chris Cavanagh we have put work into medium forward Hamish Davis, but likely gone by our pick
he said he either, we should get a good player at our first pick which he believes will end up at 47 or 48

He played from impressive WAFL games, Defs could be in top 20 consideration.

 

[manicpie]

According to Chris Cavanagh we have put work into medium forward Hamish Davis, but likely gone by our pick
he said he either, we should get a good player at our first pick which he believes will end up at 47 or 48

8 don't understand why we've put work into someone we can't get.

 

[Jen2310]

8 don't understand why we've put work into someone we can't get.

because you never know who will slip