List Mgmt. 2024 National Draft - November 20-21
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He could be there if we move up with this pick swap people have been talking about.
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I think he moved up the draft board relatively late. So maybe 2 months ago he would have been around our pick. But also we might have had 13 + 36 in the draft as well if the Houston trade didn't get done.
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Does the "can't trade back the pick" only relate to the specific pick? Once pick matching kicks in, the original picks that started the night as 60/66 will be a different pick number.
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As far as I can tell it still counts as the same pick, regardless of whether or not it moves up the order. Once again if you could trade a pick back in directly from the club you traded it to just because the number changed, it would defeat the purpose of the rule in the first place. Doubt the AFL would let that fly.
sr36
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We're trying to persuade him to get arrested so no one else wants to draft him.
sr36
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Who knows with the AFL. I still can't believe they allow clubs to increase picks above list spots once they enter the draft. Totally defeats the purpose of only being able to take in the same number of picks as you have list spots.
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I'm looking through this afl draft 2024 booklet and it says you can have 3 cat B rookies.. I always assumed it was two? It was initially three precovid - Didn't realise it got changed back
"
Category B Rookies
In addition to maintaining the maximum number of
allowable players on its Rookie List, each Club may
include a maximum of three extra players on its
Rookie List provided those players are:
a. former International Scholarship List players
at that club who have been nominated; or
b. in the case of a club which is based in Sydney or
Brisbane metropolitan area, a player who satisfies
the Rookie criteria;
c. International players;
d. players who have not been registered or played
in an Australian Football competition for three years;
e. Academy Players;
f. NGA Players."
"
Category B Rookies
In addition to maintaining the maximum number of
allowable players on its Rookie List, each Club may
include a maximum of three extra players on its
Rookie List provided those players are:
a. former International Scholarship List players
at that club who have been nominated; or
b. in the case of a club which is based in Sydney or
Brisbane metropolitan area, a player who satisfies
the Rookie criteria;
c. International players;
d. players who have not been registered or played
in an Australian Football competition for three years;
e. Academy Players;
f. NGA Players."
Not fully. The club still needs to find deals to be able to split their pick(s). Not usually difficult, but not nothing either. They are also limited by the rule because they'll only have a small number of picks to trade.
I think the rule mostly makes sense. Without it clubs could stockpile many picks by trading both picks and players. With the rule the capacity for stockpiling is reduced to live trading picks only, bringing it back to something more reasonable.
The matching system itself is kinda crap. Not sure of an alternative. One thing I'd like to see is less academy players, reducing the amount of matching needed.
sr36
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It's not really live trading when you've got a month to line up deals which you do as soon as the draft opens. And they re-rookie blokes they've delisted to create fake list spots anyway. It's still a farce. And frankly with the new dvi, teams will start hiding blokes a bit more. I think Sydney already are.
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I think it is potentially a mechanism to ensure that clubs don’t overstock on picks during the trade period ,only to change their mind come draft night and pass up on some of the picks.Will ruin the draft spectacle seeing multiple clubs just pass on picks simply because they changed their mind.
Whereas on draft night, clubs will make trades out of necessity or opportunity, with the full intention of utilising the picks involved in any transaction. So there is very little chance of picks just being passed on and being wasted.
It is the only explanation I could come up with.
76woodenspooners
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The point from our point of view may be …
58 probably now ends up getting used for the Ashcroft bid.
And pick 59 probably gets used by the Swans to pick up their academy prospect Joel Ashcroft. Maybe we intend to force the Swans to match a bid on him and use up that pick?
And all that would mean that pick 58 and pick 60 end up effectively being the same pick. Which would mean that this pick swap means we effectively picked up 66 for nothing.
What I don’t get is what was in it for Brisbane? They’ve just swapped out 226 points and gotten 170 points back. Surely they need all the points they can get for Ashcroft? Unless there is something in the bidding that favours using fewer picks?
Correct me if i am wrong, but I believe it may have to do with the
no of draft picks = no of list spots prior to the draft rule.
It is also possible that we were in a position to take 60 and 66, where as the clubs just above and below us weren't. So they made the best trade possible to get the most points they could for their 2 picks.
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2024 RECORD:
2024 PICKS: 52, 55, 60, 66
FUTURE PICKS: COL R2, COL R3, COL R4
LIKELY ACADEMY/FATHER-SON BIDS: Nil.
POTENTIAL TARGETS:
It’s anyone’s guess as to exactly what Collingwood will target so late in the piece, and which players will be available. If anything is for (near) certain, it’s that this year’s draft is as evenly talented and deep as many others before it, presenting a great opportunity for the Magpies to pick up a bargain – or four.
Fans have been crying out for the club to draft young key position players for some time, and perhaps a few will be available this year. South Australian forwards Charlie West and Charlie Nicholls offer great versatility, with the former also able to ruck while the latter can swing to defence.
Northern Knights prospect Gabriel Stumpf lit up the National Draft Combine and presents significant upside in his athletic profile as a ruck-forward. Likewise, former high-jumper Floyd Burmeister has all the tools to develop into a modern day key position player with his mobility and versatility.
All of the above, perhaps barring West given his physical maturity, will need some time to develop. That’s why the return of Dan McStay and recruitment of Tim Membrey will be key to keeping Collingwood competitive, by helping kick winning scores each week while such youngsters develop.
Should a lockdown defender be in mind, West Australian key backs Clancy Dennis and Darcy Petersen combined well at the National Championships. Dennis earned All-Australian honours along the way. Perhaps a bid is in store, too, for Academy products Joel Cochran (Sydney) and Cooper Bell (GWS).
Collingwood coach Craig McRae has made it clear his side is in the window to compete and would rather players than picks. Does that hint at a focus on some mature-age support? If so, Fothergill-Round-Mitchell medallist Sam Davidson is the leading option as a 190cm, hard-running forward.
Along similar lines, over-age rucks like Aiden Riddle and Lucas Impey held their own at the National Championships. The former’s Claremont teammate Max Rohr also has potential in the same age category, while Northern Bullants high-flyer Will Elliott is not far removed from the pathway either.
Of course, the Magpies could well blow up the narrative and pounce on an unforeseen slider, as they have done in the past. A ‘best available’ approach would see a few midfielder and flanker types available late on, and perhaps they could be too good to refuse.
Collingwood has one realistic club-tied option to consider in Next Generation Academy graduate Luke Quaynor – the brother of Isaac. He’s a little less further along than his elder sibling at this stage but offers similar competitiveness as a small defender.
He arguably is not exactly what the Pies need in that position, though also been trialled as a pressure forward and could be a handy late or rookie selection. The club also has to consider father-son prospect Thomas McGuane for next year, as he looms as a top 25 prospect.
As it stands, Collingwood doesn’t have the stock to trade back up the order this year, considering its lack of a future first round selection and other clubs’ desire to remain in the pool. The Magpies have also committed to re-listing Ash Johnson and Oleg Markov as rookies.
KEY QUESTIONS:
– What kind of value can Collingwood extract with four late picks?
– Will Collingwood finally draft a key forward?
– Are any of Collingwood’s club-tied talents a chance?
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2024 PICKS: 52, 55, 60, 66
FUTURE PICKS: COL R2, COL R3, COL R4
LIKELY ACADEMY/FATHER-SON BIDS: Nil.
POTENTIAL TARGETS:
It’s anyone’s guess as to exactly what Collingwood will target so late in the piece, and which players will be available. If anything is for (near) certain, it’s that this year’s draft is as evenly talented and deep as many others before it, presenting a great opportunity for the Magpies to pick up a bargain – or four.
Fans have been crying out for the club to draft young key position players for some time, and perhaps a few will be available this year. South Australian forwards Charlie West and Charlie Nicholls offer great versatility, with the former also able to ruck while the latter can swing to defence.
Northern Knights prospect Gabriel Stumpf lit up the National Draft Combine and presents significant upside in his athletic profile as a ruck-forward. Likewise, former high-jumper Floyd Burmeister has all the tools to develop into a modern day key position player with his mobility and versatility.
All of the above, perhaps barring West given his physical maturity, will need some time to develop. That’s why the return of Dan McStay and recruitment of Tim Membrey will be key to keeping Collingwood competitive, by helping kick winning scores each week while such youngsters develop.
Should a lockdown defender be in mind, West Australian key backs Clancy Dennis and Darcy Petersen combined well at the National Championships. Dennis earned All-Australian honours along the way. Perhaps a bid is in store, too, for Academy products Joel Cochran (Sydney) and Cooper Bell (GWS).
Collingwood coach Craig McRae has made it clear his side is in the window to compete and would rather players than picks. Does that hint at a focus on some mature-age support? If so, Fothergill-Round-Mitchell medallist Sam Davidson is the leading option as a 190cm, hard-running forward.
Along similar lines, over-age rucks like Aiden Riddle and Lucas Impey held their own at the National Championships. The former’s Claremont teammate Max Rohr also has potential in the same age category, while Northern Bullants high-flyer Will Elliott is not far removed from the pathway either.
Of course, the Magpies could well blow up the narrative and pounce on an unforeseen slider, as they have done in the past. A ‘best available’ approach would see a few midfielder and flanker types available late on, and perhaps they could be too good to refuse.
Collingwood has one realistic club-tied option to consider in Next Generation Academy graduate Luke Quaynor – the brother of Isaac. He’s a little less further along than his elder sibling at this stage but offers similar competitiveness as a small defender.
He arguably is not exactly what the Pies need in that position, though also been trialled as a pressure forward and could be a handy late or rookie selection. The club also has to consider father-son prospect Thomas McGuane for next year, as he looms as a top 25 prospect.
As it stands, Collingwood doesn’t have the stock to trade back up the order this year, considering its lack of a future first round selection and other clubs’ desire to remain in the pool. The Magpies have also committed to re-listing Ash Johnson and Oleg Markov as rookies.
KEY QUESTIONS:
– What kind of value can Collingwood extract with four late picks?
– Will Collingwood finally draft a key forward?
– Are any of Collingwood’s club-tied talents a chance?
2024 AFL Draft Preview: Collingwood Magpies
An active trade period sees Collingwood hold a quartet of picks, with the Pies set to impact the draft later than any other club.
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They didn't have enough list spots to use #66 as points. In the end they had no use for it.
Well this is the year we don't have to worry about having a large draft arsenal to move up the board, just have to be smart.
Given where essendons,gc's and lions picks are located and their close proximity to each other, collingwood just have to be smart and trade with the right club who could use further draft points.
A pick like 43 would be perfect from brisbane. Plus given the supposed depth of this years draft, the talent available in the mid 40's could very well be equal to that of the 1st and second rounds.
RobJD
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Reckon the Lions have got Ashcroft covered with their first 4 picks - they'll likely trade out 27 and another pick when a pick comes in for Ashcroft, e.g., trade 27 to he Doggies for 35 and 48
76woodenspooners
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Am I the only one salivating at the prospect of us having a ruck combo of Smit and Stumpf?
A lad with a power name of ‘Floyd Burmeister” was surely born to succeed - let’s get him.
Sounds like a Banjo Paterson character, surely that makes him an exciting prospect?
OK from Banjo Paterson to Jane Austin.
Moore, Cameron and Peterson, do we need another Darcy?
Do we really need more rucks?
We already have:
- Cox (on his last legs?)
- Cameron (great form)
- Steene (developing, been injured for a while, now back)
- Smit (new)
- Frampton (stepped up when needed)
- McStay (break in case of emergency)
- Johnson (has done it when needed)
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Condon would be our target as a Ruck/Forward, agree, looks like we're well off for Forward/Rucks
JuniorB
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Could we add Kerr as an NGA player to Cat B?
