List Mgmt. 2024 National Draft - November 20-21

[Jen2310]

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[sr36]

Reckon the Lions have got Ashcroft covered with their first 4 picks - they'll likely trade out 27 and another pick when a pick comes in for Ashcroft, e.g., trade 27 to he Doggies for 35 and 48

They've got a second guy to match who might go late in the first round.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Love a Larkey, Waterman, Ryan, Andrews type with our late picks

 

[Apex36]

The point from our point of view may be …

58 probably now ends up getting used for the Ashcroft bid.

And pick 59 probably gets used by the Swans to pick up their academy prospect Joel Ashcroft. Maybe we intend to force the Swans to match a bid on him and use up that pick?

And all that would mean that pick 58 and pick 60 end up effectively being the same pick. Which would mean that this pick swap means we effectively picked up 66 for nothing.

What I don’t get is what was in it for Brisbane? They’ve just swapped out 226 points and gotten 170 points back. Surely they need all the points they can get for Ashcroft? Unless there is something in the bidding that favours using fewer picks?

They didn’t have enough list spots to go in to the draft with pick 66, so for all intents and purposes, those two picks were worth 146 points to them. By trading with us they have an extra 24 points available immediately, with a likely deal headed our way to split either 43 or 49 (depending on where an Ashcroft bid falls) for 52 and 55 on draft night to obtain more points for their academy prospect Marshall, who’s projected as an end of first round bid.

 

[celestial]

Love a Larkey, Waterman, Ryan, Andrews type with our late picks

My god how about the kpd from the 2014 draft.
Moore,lever,mitch McGovern,harris andrews and the legendary billy frampton.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Unless someones takes one of ash or markov, we won't have 4 spots I don't think. Atm we do, so undertandably people are selecting 4 for us, but think it'l be 3 players.
I would like to take the punt on Kerr, injury or not. Has big upside.

Even that is more likely in the RD than the ND, so we’d find out too late for it to be ND relevant.

 

[ASDFASDFSA]

Think we have plenty of depth in the half back / half forward flanker area, which is usually the position you can recruit decent AFL level depth for using picks that are 50+.


We are better off punting on 3x young KPD talent (not KPF which have an even lower success rate in this pick range) even if they are 10% chances to become successful picks given our standards are lower in this department and anyone serviecable would be useful.

Maybe target KPDs with deficiencies that we understand and can fix (e.g. endurance / strength, not athleticism / height)

 

[Rusty Beam]

Pick 47. (Collingwood) – Thomas Sims
Northern Knights/Vic Metro – FWD, 199cm
Collingwood’s search for a key forward will lead them straight to Tom Sims, who made his forward presence felt through his contested marking capability and leading patterns inside 50, with a downside of inconsistency hitting the scoreboard.


Pick 50. (Collingwood) – Charlie Nicholls
Central District/South Australia – FWD, 197cm
The tall forward moves extremely well for his height, able to get into great spots with his leading patterns inside 50, and the ability to push higher up the ground and make use of his kicking in transition.


Pick 54. (Collingwood) – Hugh Boxshall
Claremont/Western Australia – MID, 188cm
Boxshall has generated some good interest off the back of strong combine testing, presenting well as an endurance-based midfield with some spark around the stoppage, and a tough body with his tackling pressure.


Pick 58. (Collingwood) – Sam Toner
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country – FWD, 184cm
The Narre-Warren local came into contention with a plethora of goal-scoring performances at local level, seeing him get the invite to Dandenong, where he turned it on yet again with a bag of five goals early in his Talent League career. Injury unfortunately brought an early end to 2024, but his upside is quite evident.

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We won't pick 4 players though

Given Gerreyn is still there at our third in this, that could have been a real key position player focused draft.

Sims, Nicholls, Gerreyn.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Unless someones takes one of ash or markov, we won't have 4 spots I don't think. Atm we do, so undertandably people are selecting 4 for us, but think it'l be 3 players.

How does that work? I count 4 …

Out:

Murphy (IIRC we’d already ‘replaced’ his spot at MSD by a rookie?)
Carmichael (r)
Noble
Richards
Begg (r)
Bytel (r)
Krueger
Eyre (r)

In:

Houston
Perryman
Membrey

Transfer:

Johnson -> r
Markov -> r

So that all means we’ve freed up 6 main list spots (Murphy, Noble, Richards, Krueger, Johnson and Markov), we’ve filled 3 already (Houston, Perryman, Membrey), leaving 3. But we can extend our main list from 36 to 37 to give us 4 we can fill in the draft, as long as we reduce our rookie count by 1 (ie from 8 to 7)

So on the rookie side we’ve gone from 4 out (Carmichael, Begg, Bytel and Eyre), we got one in at the MSD to replace Murphy’s spot (effectively Ned Long), leaving us 3. We spend two of those on Markov and Johnson, leaving us with one remaining - which remains vacant to allow us to draft 4 at the national draft and expand our senior list to 37.

Have I missed anything?

 

[Harry O]

How does that work? I count 4 …

Out:

Murphy (IIRC we’d already ‘replaced’ his spot at MSD by a rookie?)
Carmichael (r)
Noble
Richards
Begg (r)
Bytel (r)
Krueger
Eyre (r)

In:

Houston
Perryman
Membrey

Transfer:

Johnson -> r
Markov -> r

So that all means we’ve freed up 6 main list spots (Murphy, Noble, Richards, Krueger, Johnson and Markov), we’ve filled 3 already (Houston, Perryman, Membrey), leaving 3. But we can extend our main list from 36 to 37 to give us 4 we can fill in the draft, as long as we reduce our rookie count by 1 (ie from 8 to 7)

So on the rookie side we’ve gone from 4 out (Carmichael, Begg, Bytel and Eyre), we got one in at the MSD to replace Murphy’s spot (effectively Ned Long), leaving us 3. We spend two of those on Markov and Johnson, leaving us with one remaining - which remains vacant to allow us to draft 4 at the national draft and expand our senior list to 37.

Have I missed anything?

We are going a 36 and 6 list

We have have 33 on senior list. 3 spots available
We have 4 rookies and will use 2 remaining spots on Oleg and AJ if available

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Love a Larkey, Waterman, Ryan, Andrews type with our late picks

Waterman was a Father/Son pick and Harris Andrews was a Brisbane Academy selection, so neither were in the open draft and available to be picked. Goes to show how low the strikerate actually is.

FWIW, North Melbourne bid pick #34 on Harris Andrews and Brisbane were only required to use pick #61 to match that at the time, so he goes down as being the #61 pick, which is completely misrepresentative of fact.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

How does that work? I count 4 …

Out:

Murphy (IIRC we’d already ‘replaced’ his spot at MSD by a rookie?)
Carmichael (r)
Noble
Richards
Begg (r)
Bytel (r)
Krueger
Eyre (r)

In:

Houston
Perryman
Membrey

Transfer:

Johnson -> r
Markov -> r

So that all means we’ve freed up 6 main list spots (Murphy, Noble, Richards, Krueger, Johnson and Markov), we’ve filled 3 already (Houston, Perryman, Membrey), leaving 3. But we can extend our main list from 36 to 37 to give us 4 we can fill in the draft, as long as we reduce our rookie count by 1 (ie from 8 to 7)

So on the rookie side we’ve gone from 4 out (Carmichael, Begg, Bytel and Eyre), we got one in at the MSD to replace Murphy’s spot (effectively Ned Long), leaving us 3. We spend two of those on Markov and Johnson, leaving us with one remaining - which remains vacant to allow us to draft 4 at the national draft and expand our senior list to 37.

Have I missed anything?

We took 2 rookies at the midseason draft and kept them both this year. Long and Smit. Maybe that is how you miss-counted.

 

[celestial]

Are we contractually obligated to pick up aj and/or markov if they are available in the rookie draft ?

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Are we contractually obligated to pick up aj and/or markov if they are available in the rookie draft ?

No but we have to pay them if no one else picks up their contract.

 

[76woodenspooners]

We took 2 rookies at the midseason draft and kept them both this year. Long and Smit. Maybe that is how you miss-counted.

IIRC one of those spots had been vacant and we had saved it for the MSD?

 

[sr36]

IIRC one of those spots had been vacant and we had saved it for the MSD?

The talk was that was the way we were going to go, but we didn't in the end - we filled all vacancies last year when we took 3 in SSP.

So we're the 8 out you mentioned.
2 additions at MSD.
3 new recruits now.

Leaving 3 spots for ND.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Are we contractually obligated to pick up aj and/or markov if they are available in the rookie draft ?

Contractually obligated? No.

But if we draft them, we save $100k (or thereabouts) off their contracts which we'd have to pay in full otherwise. They are probably not willing to turf them while contracted when doing so will cost them an additional $200k.

 

[sr36]

Contractually obligated? No.

But if we draft them, we save $100k (or thereabouts) off their contracts which we'd have to pay in full otherwise. They are probably not willing to turf them while contracted when doing so will cost them an additional $200k.

We've also told them and the world that we're going to re-draft them.

We'd be a shit employer if we announced we were going to give someone a job and then a month later just chose not to.

 

[celestial]

Contractually obligated? No.

But if we draft them, we save $100k (or thereabouts) off their contracts which we'd have to pay in full otherwise. They are probably not willing to turf them while contracted when doing so will cost them an additional $200k.

I guess if a player they weren't expecting to be available at their picks is suddenly there, they may change their mind and go with a 37 and 5 list strategy.
But that all becomes moot if they trade their first 2 picks to move up the board.

Edit: just read the collingwood press release again, "commitment " to picking them up, so looks like we will pick them up if they are available.

 

[Couch Coach]

AFL draft club by club: Every team's picks and potential targets

With the AFL draft just around the corner, see which picks each club has to work with and the players they could select.

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By Dean Bilton and Chris De Silva

Collingwood​

Picks 52, 55, 60, 66​

Craig McRae

Craig Mcrae

Age

51

Ht

176cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.9

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.2

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.4

5star

's "players over picks" list management strategy means the Pies come into the draft with only a few speculative selections to play with, but this year there will still be some value at those picks.

Collingwood may well be looking for tall options, and there will be a few to choose from at that later stage.

Floyd Burmeister and Gabriel Stumpf are both big men with exciting athletic traits but plenty of development ahead of them, while there's a chance a Clancy Dennis or Charlie Nicholls could slide.

 

[Couch Coach]

AFL Draft: ESPN's final, top 50 Power Rankings

The 2024 AFL Draft is rapidly approaching, with clubs finalising their preferences and making their decisions. Here's ESPN's extended, final Power Rankings for the class of 2024.

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Sims @ #47
Not in top 50:

• Josh Dolan
• Charlie Nicholls
• Floyd Burmeister
• Charlie West
• Gabriel Stumpf
• Clancy Dennis
• Luke Kennedy (Added for manicpie)
• Lachie Jaques (Added for Rusty Beam)

 

[manicpie]

AFL Draft: ESPN's final, top 50 Power Rankings

The 2024 AFL Draft is rapidly approaching, with clubs finalising their preferences and making their decisions. Here's ESPN's extended, final Power Rankings for the class of 2024.

www.espn.com.au

Sims @ #47
Not in top 50:

• Josh Dolan
• Charlie Nicholls
• Floyd Burmeister
• Charlie West
• Gabriel Stumpf
• Clancy Dennis

You can add Luke Kennedy to that list. He's one we do have a lot of interest in

 

[sr36]

You can add Luke Kennedy to that list. He's one we do have a lot of interest in

Get him Dekka. Looks classy and can run.

 

[manicpie]

Get him Dekka. Looks classy and can run.

I'm a bit hesitant because he doesn't have a basketball background or is coming from non elite pathways

 

[Rusty Beam]

AFL Draft: ESPN's final, top 50 Power Rankings

The 2024 AFL Draft is rapidly approaching, with clubs finalising their preferences and making their decisions. Here's ESPN's extended, final Power Rankings for the class of 2024.

www.espn.com.au

Sims @ #47
Not in top 50:

• Josh Dolan
• Charlie Nicholls
• Floyd Burmeister
• Charlie West
• Gabriel Stumpf
• Clancy Dennis
• Luke Kennedy (Added for manicpie)

No Lachie Jaques either

I don’t think I’d wait even a second to call out his name in that case.