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Nailed it! Someone with skill & class and that can help out in defence as well as attack, let me see, that sounds like the "little shark"!
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That’s SmillieNailed it! Someone with skill & class and that can help out in defence as well as attack, let me see, that sounds like the "little shark"!
best of both worlds with him can play mid or back
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That's true, Josh does that, but to me Josh is the "humpback whale" not the "little shark"!
I think Trainor would make a lot of sense. My only concern is that despite his height he is a bit of a 3rd tall interceptor rather than playing as a genuine key defender. In saying that, his direct opposition on the weekend were either Max Rohr and Kayle Gerryen (who are both tall KP's) and he did well quelling their influence.
At the moment I have Tom Sims in that 40-50 range, Malakai Chamption @31 and Kako @15. I seem to have Kako rated a lot higher than many out there, but I can't see any scenario where he is taken outside of the top 15.
Smillie doesn't fit the bill of a gut runner. His tank is below avg and he'll need at least a few pre-seasons to get it up to anywhere near AFL standard
If not for “that huge frame” would he even be in contention for top 10 or 20 even based on performance and elite attributes? Sure is an open field at the moment, and feels like a lot of pressure on the club with ipick 1 this year unless FOS comes in and dominates. I suspect we end up picking second. Right now Trainor is looking a safe bet for us question is if FOS is available there.Long way to go before draft night….
Smillie better get moving if he wants pick one….not dominating with that huge frame.
Will be interesting to see what unfolds.
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He has had more dominant games than any in his draft class over the last 3 years
Smillie was the metro mvp at under 16s, dominated nab league as a bottom ager last year, has had huge games this year
He is number 1 regardless of size, his size just makes it even more compelling
Yes he would.
We need to be careful not to swing the other way completely.
He's not rated this highly because of only his height.
He's had output to match his physical gifts the last 18 months.
He has things to work on, yes. But he's also an elite prospect in a large number of areas.
For all the shitcanning, he did have 22, 9 clearances and 1.1 on the weekend. Thats a very good to elite game from most prospects.
Bo Allen who is deservedly getting plenty of admirers at the moment and many waxing lyrical about his game against thge Metro midfield had 19 touches, 5 clearances and kicked 2.0 in the same game.
Lets just all remain objective and keep some of the criticism within the lines for the moment.
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So we keep pick 3 and just take best available after we claw our way off the bottom.
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you’d keep pick 3 yeah
Gets you whatever is leftover of Smillie, FOS and trainor
Pick 4 though I’d try split
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Could Trainor be that swingman that some are wanting Comben to be used as?
We may have an option of 2 or more of them just yet.
I wouldn't rule out Jagga going in the top 2 just yet.
He's close mates with Harley Reid and he is forcing that conversation through pure weight of numbers in the Sanders, McKercher, Walsh, Daicos style of previous years.
I could definitely see WCE taking Jagga at pick #2 if they had it.
He has played most of his junior football as a forward.
Just like Will Dawson, he's not being recruited as high as he is because of his forward play though. He was an OK prospect as a forward and one we might be discussing in the top 25 kids in the draft.
You are really completely wasting draft capital if your entire strategy is recruiting the likes of Trainor and Dawson to develop them as forwards.
You could have achieved the same thing with similar forward prospects for half of the cost. See Logan Morris.
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Best small forward?
I can see North picking them up with our pick 4 this year.
Yes we will win more games before the seasons over, smile wont be coming to us.
I can see North picking them up with our pick 4 this year.
Yes we will win more games before the seasons over, smile wont be coming to us.
We need madmen.
Players with intensity.
They also should have elite kicks and a high level running capacity.
Whilst I accept that trainor might be a more “attacking” defender than “shut down” defender, when he needs to defend does he do so like a madman?
If so he’s the obvious choice
* assuming we don’t have access to FOS
Players with intensity.
They also should have elite kicks and a high level running capacity.
Whilst I accept that trainor might be a more “attacking” defender than “shut down” defender, when he needs to defend does he do so like a madman?
If so he’s the obvious choice
* assuming we don’t have access to FOS
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Kako and champion but no you wouldn’t pick them up with top 5 picks
You’d split a pick if you wanted them
My worry with Trainor is his testing numbers are a slight concern for 20m and Agility.
20m - 3.151
Agility - 8.834
This data is quite similar to O'Sullivan last year who tested 3.188 and 8.918 at the end of year combine and still went 11th overall. Ditto Ethan Read who tested horrifically with 3.254 and 9.134 and went 9th overall.
I should note that of all types of players, I'm probably worst at judging key position defenders, and I think it's because I put a little too much stock on the impact of 20m results for key defenders than I should.
I think the reason I get it wrong is there's a sense in which testing 'slow' in this way isn't so relevant if their reading of the play, positioning and anticipation is better than others. I think Trainor falls into this category, so I'm trying to not make the same mistake I have in the past and rank key position defenders lower because they might test slower.
For the record, his vertical is a healthy 88cm and Yo-yo is 760.
Should also mention that there's a decent chance he improves on all these numbers at the end of year combine.
20m - 3.151
Agility - 8.834
This data is quite similar to O'Sullivan last year who tested 3.188 and 8.918 at the end of year combine and still went 11th overall. Ditto Ethan Read who tested horrifically with 3.254 and 9.134 and went 9th overall.
I should note that of all types of players, I'm probably worst at judging key position defenders, and I think it's because I put a little too much stock on the impact of 20m results for key defenders than I should.
I think the reason I get it wrong is there's a sense in which testing 'slow' in this way isn't so relevant if their reading of the play, positioning and anticipation is better than others. I think Trainor falls into this category, so I'm trying to not make the same mistake I have in the past and rank key position defenders lower because they might test slower.
For the record, his vertical is a healthy 88cm and Yo-yo is 760.
Should also mention that there's a decent chance he improves on all these numbers at the end of year combine.
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I think vertical is definitely as important as the 20m when it comes to key backs.
But you can't discount it completely and largely depends on what role they play at the next level.
If they are playing the Lever/Sicily role, it's irrelevant.
If they are having to defend leading forwards, it's extremely important. It's also important in regards to their ability to get across at times to intercept.
I don't think Darcy Moore is even half the defensive player he is without his footspeed and agility. His closing speed is his biggest weapon by far and what makes him such a good pure stopper.
It's a case by case basis based on their game style imo.
In our case, with Comben, W.Dawson, Logue. I don't think the vision for him would be as a lockdown defender.
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Luke Urquhart continues to push his case to be taken in the first round of the draft with his stellar play in this years Champs series. He was red hot early, seeming to win every center bounce clearance in the opening quarter which lead to WA getting on top in the contest. He was quieter after halftime as WA increasingly got overrun by Metro's greater depth, although he did get involved in a couple of notable and impressive scoring chains. His kicking was off for most of the game, highlighted by some extreme shanks.
Not getting ahead of myself here but do we need another midfielder? I think we are good there, especially if we expect to see Kerch and Duurs to roll through there as well
I personally don't have a problem with his height. 194cm is a great height for a 3rd tall/intercept type in the mould of Sicily (who is only 189cm) or Stewart (who is 190cm). That 3rd tall/intercept type should be the exact role he's drafted to play.
There have also been comparisons to Jordan Ridley (which I agree with and think is the best comparison) and he's 195cm.
I didn't realize Blakey was 195cm until yday going over the Swans list a bit. You wouldn't want him being a key defender with his attacking attributes imo. You'd kill to have him on our list, what a shame.
I don't anticipate Duurs being a full time midfielder. It would be a waste also considering his natural forward ability also.
He will roll through there, I think he will play on the wing at times, but he's a bit of a Sheezel, will lineup at half forward and float everywhere type imo. Particularly if we have that side of the gound covered. It also depends on his body size in his mid 20's.
He might be a pseudo KPP/3rd tall if he can manage to put on more weight than his brother.
Colby was a better natural clearance player as a junior than just about anyone we've drafted in the last decade (including Wardlaw on raw numbers), he just does it in a different way.
He absolutely will find himself in the midfield rotation. It's just where he spends his other time is the interesting consideration.
I don't think we need a Smillie/Jagga pure center square midfielder that has little flexibility.
A FOS that can play on all lines with a big motor, would fit in very nicely.
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