Preview 2024 National Draft Preview Thread

[perplexed]

We definitely need more top shelf mids. Ignore anyone who says otherwise. So far we have LDU, Wardlaw, Sheezel, McKercher and maybe Powell. Not enough! We probably need 2 more who can also play another position for rotation purposes. Lalor, Draper, FOS, Langford for example.

We don't have to complete an AA midfield before we start on other parts of the ground. Also, I'd add Duursma to your list. He will also be a mid once he develops his tank. I think we see him as a Fyfe-type big bodied mid who can take those floating marks around the ground. Surely our 'best available' obsession doesn't go so far that we would have used pick 4 on a mid-sized forward when we already had Zurhaar, Curtis, Stevo, Taylor, Harvey.

 

[ohmygewd]

No. Enough of the AI bs spam. I want to read analysis from the people who know shit not paragraphs of lazy posts that take up half a page

LoL...you are like screaming at the sky! At least poster here put the Ai they have used unfortunately mate, there are Ai chatbots used to influence people and some of them are that good that uni's have invested in detection Ai to detect Ai written material, some have even called to go back to pen and paper...images/video very very good and hard to detect..have a look at chairmanzia's post

You talking about AI being able to pass a Turing test? Where by a computer can trick a person into thinking it's output is that of a Human?

Happens all the time in real life to real people you only need to look as far as AI generated news articles.

in fact, I'd wager that if people in this thread had not declared some of their posts as being from AI and rather just things they wrote about potential draftees, there would have been next to no questions about the posts being generated by AI.

That 70 year old test is probably a low bar to get over with Today's technology. In all honesty a better question about it would likely be can an AI trick another AI into thinking its output is that of a Human.

A lot of NFL/NCAA team's as well as AFL teams are using AI and data analytics combined to give them suggestions on players that are likely to succeed and also look beyond the high talent to pick those sleeper talents and this is the AFL team using such systems.

So, if you can get all of Champion Data stats database and Premier Data and have an advance AI to plug this enormous load of data to spit out the likely players they should target that fits whatever teams strategy, culture, structure etc.l just hope North are leveraging this tech as it's already here in the AFL.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Yeah footy iq, size and athleticism. Good skills and kick for goal

Impressed me every time I’ve watched him and has carried strong form into the vfl

Will be interesting to see if he rises up the boards a bit. 21 currently, be a nice get at our 2nd rounder.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Port will match you'd think.

I actually didn’t realise he was Port NGA. Makes it three of the top 5 small forward unavailable in this draft pool.

 

[RossHenshaw]

With pick 1 NMFC Select ?

 

[giantroo]

With pick 1 NMFC Select ?

They bid on Levi Ashcroft.

 

[Ura]

They bid on Levi Ashcroft.

giantroo Genuienly who do you have at 1? Such an even draft. Also who would you want us to take?

 

[The Talent Scout]

If we went down that path, I would even go Armstrong, Berry and another KPP with 40 then River with pick 100 or Rookie.

Use F2nd for Jack Macrae this year and we can pick up another good mid through FA or pick 4-8 in 2025 ND.

Best future scenario that I've seen on here, we get our experienced midfielder, we get the best key forward in the draft and we get the best small forward in the draft, other picks could be optional but something like this makes perfect sense, good effort Sherm! Edit: Just saw shinboner magic post the same thing, same compliments to you to magic!

 

[The Talent Scout]

Shanahan is the key forward we should be targeting

Nice player, who like a lot of key forwards will keep improving, there's no shortage of key forwards in this draft, the big question is what's going to be left , come the second round?

 

[chubbspeterson]

I actually didn’t realise he was Port NGA. Makes it three of the top 5 small forward unavailable in this draft pool.

Yeah sucks doesn't it. I remembered them saying it in the one of the Vic vs SA games. He looked pretty lively.

 

[Merlin007]

I can understand the various perspectives on our draft strategy, a lot of which involve prioritising a KPF, including trading down to do that and also gaining another pick in the top 20. Along with that line of thinking is a critique that our 'midfield' first strategy of the last few years has been flawed, and/or with the assumption that our midfield group is complete (or near complete) and we need to prioritise other lines.

To my thinking, our midfield group is not the finished article, partly because of the loss of Thomas. We've got 3 genuine elite midfielders (or potentially elite) - LDU, George and Harry (I don't count Colby, who's more outside IMO). Phillips may or may not come on (or even be on the list), Jy may recover form, Powell looks like settling as part of the rotation but isn't shaping as an outright star (and may be better long term at HB)

So overall, I think the CBA mid group remains skinny, meaning I've got no problem with taking another at pick 2. Whether that's Draper, or a 'big body' (Langford or Lalor), I wouldn't claim to know - I think at that point of the draft, you have to go with the best talent. On the other hand if on the talent ranking that happened to be Armstrong as a KPF, then fair enough, but IMO you have to got on talent that high in the draft. And finally, in terms of 'need', this does look to be a draft where there's going to be a quality KPF at our second - you'd have to be confident that one of Shanahan, 2 x Whitlocks, Faull or Gerreyn would still be around 21 or 22

Each to their own, but I'd have no issue taking Draper at 2 and then seeing what's available at our next pick

 

[DunderHead]

I can understand the various perspectives on our draft strategy, a lot of which involve prioritising a KPF, including trading down to do that and also gaining another pick in the top 20. Along with that line of thinking is a critique that our 'midfield' first strategy of the last few years has been flawed, and/or with the assumption that our midfield group is complete (or near complete) and we need to prioritise other lines.

To my thinking, our midfield group is not the finished article, partly because of the loss of Thomas. We've got 3 genuine elite midfielders (or potentially elite) - LDU, George and Harry (I don't count Colby, who's more outside IMO). Phillips may or may not come on (or even be on the list), Jy may recover form, Powell looks like settling as part of the rotation but isn't shaping as an outright star (and may be better long term at HB)

So overall, I think the CBA mid group remains skinny, meaning I've got no problem with taking another at pick 2. Whether that's Draper, or a 'big body' (Langford or Lalor), I wouldn't claim to know - I think at that point of the draft, you have to go with the best talent. On the other hand if on the talent ranking that happened to be Armstrong as a KPF, then fair enough, but IMO you have to got on talent that high in the draft. And finally, in terms of 'need', this does look to be a draft where there's going to be a quality KPF at our second - you'd have to be confident that one of Shanahan, 2 x Whitlocks, Faull or Gerreyn would still be around 21 or 22

Each to their own, but I'd have no issue taking Draper at 2 and then seeing what's available at our next pick

I think you’re right. I think our focus should be to somehow claim another second rounder to pick a small forward or second KPF.

 

[Hojuman]

What result gives us pick 1 ?

North lose by ?
Tiges win by ?

 

[Merlin007]

I think you’re right. I think our focus should be to somehow claim another second rounder to pick a small forward or second KPF.

I don't disagree about another R2, but the whole industry seems to be in love with this draft down to 30 odd, so finding the trade partner will be the hard part

 

[DunderHead]

I don't disagree about another R2, but the whole industry seems to be in love with this draft down to 30 odd, so finding the trade partner will be the hard part

yeah I don’t know how it would work. But it would be good for us to end up with either two extra KPFs or small forwards (includes River) not sure what will be available at our third.

 

[andana]

What result gives us pick 1 ?

North lose by ?
Tiges win by ?

The Tigers trail North Melbourne by four premiership points and 2.7 per cent ahead of hosting Gold Coast at the MCG on Saturday.

A win for Adem Yze's men and a loss for the Kangaroos to Hawthorn in Launceston – with a combined margin of 75 points – could see a swap in positions.

 

[Fart Cummings]

I actually didn’t realise he was Port NGA. Makes it three of the top 5 small forward unavailable in this draft pool.

will all indigenous kids be NGA now?

 

[scottywiper]

will all indigenous kids be NGA now?

Stuart Cochrane has asked for his kids to be tied to Port academy as he is investigating possible indigenous heritage. ...

 

[giantroo]

giantroo Genuienly who do you have at 1? Such an even draft. Also who would you want us to take?

FOS is still 1 for me.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

will all indigenous kids be NGA now?

Pretty much yeah, as long as they are identified by the club in whatever zone it is. Don’t think there will be many outliers now that the academy rules have changed

 

[kool kangas]

FOS is still 1 for me.

Jagga Smith #1 for me with either FOS or Trainor #2....then Draper "just to annoy the Crows" then Smillie

 

[hoffseason gains 01]

I’m Sid #1, followed by FOS, Ashcroft, Lalor and then Smith.

 

[shinboner magic]

I’m Sid #1, followed by FOS, Ashcroft, Lalor and then Smith.

If we downgraded our pick to 6+11.
Would Lalor be there at 6 and then one of Armstrong /berry at 11 and then kpp at our second rounder

 

[hoffseason gains 01]

If we downgraded our pick to 6+11.
Would Lalor be there at 6 and then one of Armstrong /berry at 11 and then kpp at our second rounder

Unsure due to the weird year it is. Don’t think Gold Coast make that trade but re: Lalor.

I have him highly due to his skillset, exposed form isn’t there as much but I think he’s a quite well-rounded player. I think the rarity of his skillset compared to other mids around him (his burst from congestion, ability to play forward and class) means that he will be a hot commodity come year end. I think he has a lot more scope for development to become a star than Langford for example, who I would have in the teens off of personal preference.

I have no inside links but I’d assume Adelaide is his peak at 4, Richmond will be interested if they get 6, and then everyone after that I think he’s too good to pass up.

Personally I’d take him at 4 if we traded back with Adelaide, presuming FOS is off the board.

 

[andana]

Gerreyn listed as starting ruck today 4.30 est