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AFLW 2024 - Round 2 - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
Normally I would be in favour of this strategy. But this year I don't think it would be wise for us to do that. I would take one player in addition to the Campos for the reasons below (apologies in advance for the essay).As much as the top end of this draft isn't stunning, I really think it's a solid draft with lots of different types of players available. I think we could strive for another Cowan-type selection by trading a future pick into the mid-second round to grab a slider. If we could get two players ahead of a bid on Ben Campo that would be a great result.
Is it that many? (Wouldn’t be having this conversation if Oscar McDonald had a sound body) Macreadie was a bust, Luke Parks undersized ( we could do worse than re rookie now he is mature, but would be depth still). Young remains a frustration, has the tools, but not the mentality.This is an interesting one because absolutely you can find them there but that doesn’t make it easy. Since the start of our rebuild we have had probably 7-8 attempts at it and failed.
Good on you for putting it up. Not going to criticise as this draft is crazy subjective.My current top 20 is way off what many others seem to have at the moment but figured I'd chuck it out there anyway. Gerreyn is my smokey for the draft. Reckon he could end up a Noah Balta type swingman. Athleticism off the charts and pretty skillful for a big man, just makes some dumb decisions (seemingly when he's taking the piss because he know's he's bigger and stronger than most). Think he could be a real get for a team with a good development program.
1- Leo Lombard
2- Sid Draper
3- Levi Ashcroft
4- Luke Trainor
5- Josh Smillie
6- Tobie Travaglia
7- Xavier Lindsay
8- Taj Hotton
9- Harry Armstrong
10- Jagga Smith
11- Harvey Langford
12- Jack Whitlock
13- Joe Berry
14- Sam Lalor
15- Bo Allan
16- Finn O'Sullivan
17- Kayle Gerreyn
18- Isaac Kako
19- Thomas Sims
20- Harry O'Farrell
This would cause some serious meltdowns on the draft board as theres a few fanatics re certain players but it's all personal opinion at the end of the day. Lalor and FOS the clear watches given the injury interruptions they've had, I see the potential in Lalor, he's big, explosive and can do some very exciting things... I am yet to be convinced on FOS being a top 10 talent in the draft though
He wasn't at his best for most of the champs. Coming off a stress fracture in his shin he didn't seem to have the zip in his legs which we saw a bit more towards the end. Went back to the SANFL more recently and seems to have finally got his explosive power back that had him highly rated coming into the year.I just don’t get the Sid Draper hype at all. I get he has great traits and that’s what you look for but I wasn’t impressed in the champs by him to be honest
I’m sure I’m wrong about this but I don’t see him being that Rozee type people have compared him to
That's fair. List positions are super tight at the moment. If someone requests a trade for more opportunity or we have a surprise delisting because we're confident we can get someone better in the draft this could be an option to pursue because I think there are a number of good kids available.Normally I would be in favour of this strategy. But this year I don't think it would be wise for us to do that. I would take one player in addition to the Campos for the reasons below (apologies in advance for the essay).
1. We're in the midst of a list spot crunch so another draftee would make that even worse. We already have Duffy plus Campos as guaranteed incomings and probably need to upgrade Boyd to the senior list, so drafting more players on top of that could force us to trade/delist a player we would otherwise like to keep.
2. IMO we need senior players to help our list more than a draftee - either a small forward or key def. This is where I would potentially use a future pick.
3. We also need to keep in mind the need to match a massive amount of points for a Cody Walker bid in the near future. I think trading out current picks for futures could be a smart move to start accumulating points so that we're not in a weak position down the track in negotiations.
BSOS, Goddard, O’Shea, Glass-McCasker, Marchbank plus as you said McDonald, Parks, Macreadie, Durdin and Young. Ignoring Plowman because I think he was always a medium defender.Is it that many? (Wouldn’t be having this conversation if Oscar McDonald had a sound body) Macreadie was a bust, Luke Parks undersized ( we could do worse than re rookie now he is mature, but would be depth still). Young remains a frustration, has the tools, but not the mentality.
With the mooted rookie list changes, extending to five years, we may just bank on Sam Durdin for a bit longer yet as depth and delay drafting a kid or trading a ready made when we have the collateral.
Lombard is a terrible kick and decision maker for a number 1My current top 20 is way off what many others seem to have at the moment but figured I'd chuck it out there anyway. Gerreyn is my smokey for the draft. Reckon he could end up a Noah Balta type swingman. Athleticism off the charts and pretty skillful for a big man, just makes some dumb decisions (seemingly when he's taking the piss because he know's he's bigger and stronger than most). Think he could be a real get for a team with a good development program.
1- Leo Lombard
2- Sid Draper
3- Levi Ashcroft
4- Luke Trainor
5- Josh Smillie
6- Tobie Travaglia
7- Xavier Lindsay
8- Taj Hotton
9- Harry Armstrong
10- Jagga Smith
11- Harvey Langford
12- Jack Whitlock
13- Joe Berry
14- Sam Lalor
15- Bo Allan
16- Finn O'Sullivan
17- Kayle Gerreyn
18- Isaac Kako
19- Thomas Sims
20- Harry O'Farrell
This would cause some serious meltdowns on the draft board as theres a few fanatics re certain players but it's all personal opinion at the end of the day. Lalor and FOS the clear watches given the injury interruptions they've had, I see the potential in Lalor, he's big, explosive and can do some very exciting things... I am yet to be convinced on FOS being a top 10 talent in the draft though
Makes up for it with incredible power and speed. Everyone in this draft has their issues, there's no Reid or Mckercher types this year. I'm happy with Lombard at 1.Lombard is a terrible kick and decision maker for a number 1
You think Jagga Smith will fall that far? Whats your knock Walshisthegoat?My current top 20 is way off what many others seem to have at the moment but figured I'd chuck it out there anyway. Gerreyn is my smokey for the draft. Reckon he could end up a Noah Balta type swingman. Athleticism off the charts and pretty skillful for a big man, just makes some dumb decisions (seemingly when he's taking the piss because he know's he's bigger and stronger than most). Think he could be a real get for a team with a good development program.
1- Leo Lombard
2- Sid Draper
3- Levi Ashcroft
4- Luke Trainor
5- Josh Smillie
6- Tobie Travaglia
7- Xavier Lindsay
8- Taj Hotton
9- Harry Armstrong
10- Jagga Smith
11- Harvey Langford
12- Jack Whitlock
13- Joe Berry
14- Sam Lalor
15- Bo Allan
16- Finn O'Sullivan
17- Kayle Gerreyn
18- Isaac Kako
19- Thomas Sims
20- Harry O'Farrell
This would cause some serious meltdowns on the draft board as theres a few fanatics re certain players but it's all personal opinion at the end of the day. Lalor and FOS the clear watches given the injury interruptions they've had, I see the potential in Lalor, he's big, explosive and can do some very exciting things... I am yet to be convinced on FOS being a top 10 talent in the draft though
No these are just my rankings, Jagga will probably be in the top 5 come draft night. For me his kicking is extremely inconsistent and lacks penetration beyond about 40m. Can look like a great kick at times, other times he's lucky to hit a target by foot. Question marks over whether he'll be able to bulk up enough to have the strength to play midfield at AFL level. Think he'll be extremely suspect to opposition attention during games at the next level.You think Jagga Smith will fall that far? Whats your knock Walshisthegoat?
With the mooted rookie list changes, extending to five years, we may just bank on Sam Durdin for a bit longer yet as depth and delay drafting a kid or trading a ready made when we have the collateral.
Yep.Im not sure why we would persist with a player that’s managed 1 game in three seasons, despite long injuries to our other key defenders.
Durdin was taken from the SANFL as mature back up, surely in all the lower leagues there’s a mature defender who’s body could stand up better.
My current top 20 is way off what many others seem to have at the moment but figured I'd chuck it out there anyway. Gerreyn is my smokey for the draft. Reckon he could end up a Noah Balta type swingman. Athleticism off the charts and pretty skillful for a big man, just makes some dumb decisions (seemingly when he's taking the piss because he know's he's bigger and stronger than most). Think he could be a real get for a team with a good development program.
1- Leo Lombard
2- Sid Draper
3- Levi Ashcroft
4- Luke Trainor
5- Josh Smillie
6- Tobie Travaglia
7- Xavier Lindsay
8- Taj Hotton
9- Harry Armstrong
10- Jagga Smith
11- Harvey Langford
12- Jack Whitlock
13- Joe Berry
14- Sam Lalor
15- Bo Allan
16- Finn O'Sullivan
17- Kayle Gerreyn
18- Isaac Kako
19- Thomas Sims
20- Harry O'Farrell
This would cause some serious meltdowns on the draft board as theres a few fanatics re certain players but it's all personal opinion at the end of the day. Lalor and FOS the clear watches given the injury interruptions they've had, I see the potential in Lalor, he's big, explosive and can do some very exciting things... I am yet to be convinced on FOS being a top 10 talent in the draft though
I don't see us going after a KPD with our first. We're in the window and a KPD will take multiple years of bulking up and development before being ready for AFL footy.Wow. Twomey had Lombard at 11 and Draper at 9. He did mention that this is a ridiculously even draft though.
Seems like there is some quality there but just not the Walsh / Reid level stand-out.
Either way perfect scenario for Carlton if Ben falls just outside our first pick and Lucas quite late. We get 3 quality players but can also choose for need with that first pick (quality key defender most likely).
I don't see us going after a KPD with our first. We're in the window and a KPD will take multiple years of bulking up and development before being ready for AFL footy.
I also can't see either Campo boys being first round picks. Ben will be around 25-30 imo and Lucas could be anywhere from 35-rookie draft.
Think we'll go after a flanker type
I think we'll go down the path of trying to transform a late pick into a quality KPD or address it via trade. Just think we need the top end picks we'll have access to for kids who can come in and impact rather quickly.I agree that will be a factor but I'd be in favour of keeping one eye on the future even though we're in the window. Key defenders is a glaring hole in the list.
Would be highly unlikely that we pull a Jack Darling type (KPP who plays from year 1) but you never know.
I think we'll go down the path of trying to transform a late pick into a quality KPD or address it via trade. Just think we need the top end picks we'll have access to for kids who can come in and impact rather quickly.
Just as a hypothetical, should we look at potentially trading out our 1st round pick to ensure that we don't burn it on Ben if he gets bid on before our 1st rounder. You can bet your arse that Dodoro or ol' mate SOS will place a bid on him ahead of our 1st if it benefits them.I think we'll go down the path of trying to transform a late pick into a quality KPD or address it via trade. Just think we need the top end picks we'll have access to for kids who can come in and impact rather quickly.
If Dodo or Sos are dumb enough to bid on either Campo with a first rounder I say u just let them have them. Realistically Ben and Lucas aren't 'list needs' for us... They're just bonuses in that we're getting 2 hard working kids we're familiar with for a discount. Only reason Sos or Dodo would bid on either is purely to be flogs, neither are a list need at all for either club.Just as a hypothetical, should we look at potentially trading out our 1st round pick to ensure that we don't burn it on Ben if he gets bid on before our 1st rounder. You can bet your arse that Dodoro or ol' mate SOS will place a bid on him ahead of our 1st if it benefits them.
Off the top of my head, trading in someone like a Conor Stone or a Jacob Konstanty for pick 17, with a 2nd rounder coming back our way. Possible shuffling of later picks, but that'd be the guts of it.
Gives us additional points to cover the Campo bids as well as ensuring a quality player to address our needs without compromising our future draft picks. Take another pick late in the draft.
Happy to get shot down in flames for this ridiculous suggestion though![]()