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Analysis 2024 National Draft
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Yeah this "we can't lose" at pick 3 statement that's going around is a bit of a myth. We absolutely can lose and it's a decent possibility. Just hard to tell which is the winner vs the loser at this point. That's why Austin gets paid the big bucks.
In a few years we'll be laughing at these posts struggling to split Draper, Smith, O'Sullivan Langford when xx is a multi-time All Australian and yy is a whipping boy. Hopefully we get xx.
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Teams win or lose games and fans focus on A player. No doubt he has seriosu speed-
i'd have Cripps/Daicos/Neil/Bont/Petracca/LDU/Butters/Dangerfield/McCluggage way ahead of him - and thayt is off the top of my head ...
he is back in the pack with some other rising stars- because he is NOT a BALL GETTER
Generally, its much easier to identify non bust players, but recruiters get enamoured with picking kids with massive xfactor/upside
To put some perspective in how excited we get with high draft picks....I remember being so excited about this guy, who I thought was going to be a superstar.........
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Tomorrow's Heroes: Paddy Dow
It's not hard to see why the rugged playmaker is a likely top-three pick
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Is this melt directed at me personally or just the general discussion around Draper/Dow?
Strong determined character , natural ability and physical durability , are the rare natural gifts which very few youngsters possess.
100%. If you look at the top 20-30 AFL players, particularly mids, most of them are just really good footballers who do lots really well and are tough, professional, competitors. They don't necessarily have a whole lot of x-factor.
The comps megastars (top 1-3) usually have those traits plus x-factor which is obviously what clubs are hoping for but can come unstuck in doing so.
I've raised it everytime someone used this baseless assertion.
This is a pretty flimsy argument. The point is, and has always been, that while your big inside mids win big accolades, because they are very impactful and very consistent, you can't have a midfield of only big inside mids if you want to win games of football and not just win accolades.
Our midfield leans very heavily towards inside midfielders, with Cripps being the best of them and also Hewett and even young players like Lord. Not to mention we're also drafting a big inside midfielder in this draft already in the form of Ben Camporeale. Cerra and Walsh who are inside-outside hybrids will become more inside as their careers progress as they get slower in their old age.
If we want to win football games and not brownlow's we need to bring in more explosive, fast paced midfields that compliment our existing inside strength.
It's a pretty simple concept.
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I think it is a pretty clear consensus top tier
Maybe in two years Hotto.
BluStreak have you got any details on the type of back issue Draper actually has/had?
I mean that's fine, but it's not really the point of your post. You brought up the Grand Final and focussed on his output, I just replied and said the whole team was rubbish, not just him, so singling him out was a misrepresentation of his actual ability to stand up in big moments, which he's excellent at.
V Geelong 2 yrs ago in the Granny he had 29 touches and 2 goals which was one of the highest rated games ever recorded in a Grand final. Similarly in the Prelim v Port he had 21 and 2 big goals late. V Geelong he also had 18 contested possessions as well as 10 clearances, seems like a ball getter to me.
He's stood up in big moments and kicked clutch late 4th qtr goals several times now, including some in finals and a Grand Final, so calling out his impact in big games/moments is just wide of the mark. He's proven several times that he is a big game & moment player.
There's a pretty common theme amongst those players, outside of Philp and Cuningham who were cruelled by injury and that's mental issues - it's either footy IQ being low (Dow, Fisher, Menzel) or lack of confidence (SPS), the other outlier is O'Brien who was just physically poor. I'd argue those things should have been ascertainable at draft time. Fisher and Philp I feel can be excused because they were later picks anyway, but Dow, SPS, Menzel were mistakes.
It's one of the reasons people are big on Draper and Jagga Smith, because they show professionalism, IQ and hard work.
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FOS is a game changer too.
What are you even talking about right now, this all started with criticism of Draper because we allegedly don't need speed, and just need big inside midfielders, and now you're talking about Chad Warner not winning enough ball. Which is a weird criticism in the context of a discussion on Draper's suitability given he is one of the more prolific midfielders in the draft - averaging far more disposals than Lalor, Sullivan or Smillie (your big inside midfield types) and only surpassed on ball winning ability by Langford and Smith?
I'd say the fact you listed four different reasons for seven players indicates there isn't a very common theme.
For some strange reason I was more confident when we had the two higher picks, number '3' really makes me nervous, even in this so called super draft......
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Whoever drafts FOS will witness him win games off his own boot.
Sorry I went back and clarified that I was lumping those 'mental' weaknesses into one thing. I also didn't come up with the list, so I was just responding to what was given. The point is, a large portion of them were mentally weak.
Interesting the age have updated their mock draft. Supposedly spoken to 13 recruiters. They've got Jagga at 3 now, and said the majority of recruiters they spoke to now believe we will take him, with Adelaide to pounce at 4 if we don't.
They've actually got FOS falling to the Saints (though have admitted theirs a good chance he goes before then) and funnily enough have asked the question "does he have the same drive as others?" Must have got that from somewhere.
1. Lalor (other option FOS or Jagga)
2. Tauru (other option FOS or Draper)
3. Smith (other options Langford, Draper, FOS)
4. Draper (other options Jagga or Langford)
5. Langford (other options FOS, Smith, Tauru)
6. Smillie (or FOS)
7. FOS
They've actually got FOS falling to the Saints (though have admitted theirs a good chance he goes before then) and funnily enough have asked the question "does he have the same drive as others?" Must have got that from somewhere.
1. Lalor (other option FOS or Jagga)
2. Tauru (other option FOS or Draper)
3. Smith (other options Langford, Draper, FOS)
4. Draper (other options Jagga or Langford)
5. Langford (other options FOS, Smith, Tauru)
6. Smillie (or FOS)
7. FOS
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"Jagga is the hardest trainer they have ever seen" - that's a bit unfair, as he didn't have school this year - so he has more time than his peer to train
Dow - you, i disagree with your assertion
Draper - in general
For those interested in Sid’s injury, he had what is called a ‘pars defect’ or spondylolysis; a stress fracture of the bones of the lower spine. These fractures typically occur due to overuse. They can be on one or both sides of the vertebrae. It is a common cause of low back pain in children and adolescents. The most common cause of low back pain is muscular, secondary to overuse or deconditioning.
He likely to outgrow the injury and will be no issue going forward.
He likely to outgrow the injury and will be no issue going forward.
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