Analysis 2024 National Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[GoBlues!]

I just can’t get past those twig arms. He doesn’t look like he could step straight in and play against men and his frame doesn’t look conducive to weight training. I guess Skinny Lappin made it work.

Hard to say BC, but looking at a photo with his dad it might be genetic...

 

[JuddgementDay]

Ben Campo is another one I think we're underrating a bit on here. Was talked up as a potential Top 10-20 pick in his underage year, winning some accolades in his U17 year alongside Sid Draper.

This year the talk has died down, he's played less, and his draft stocks have fallen. It's hard to say with certainty exactly what the combination of factors is, was he overrated in his U17 year as a big name and put up draft board, or is he pushed down the draft boards as an U18 with people knowing he's locked away to us, so people put less time into him (and we may have told him not to go out and sell himself too hard).

It touches on some of the discussion above re FOS, Samo and others on under age form and how it translates. Is Ben Campo in the same camp? Or was his lower profile this year manufactured / indifference from the draft watchers. Either way, if we can select him after Pick #38 I think we'll get a bargain, and maybe in there will be a top 10-20 range midfielder if we're lucky.

I'm confident that the Campo twins will be great value for us, but I don't buy into "people knowing he's locked away to us" - as why doesn't this apply to Ashcroft and other higher rated locked away players?

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

I rest my case, your honour.

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Jagga makes him look like Arnie Schwarzenegger

 

[Bale Dup]

Arms are one of the easier areas of the body to develop quickly, so he'll be okay.
Outstanding spatial awareness and body positioning, allows Jagga to not only get the ball, often, but as a smaller guy, stay out of the path of the bigger guy.
Quite often the small quick guys like Jagga, are hard to lay a glove on, let alone tackle them.
He will be just fine for whoever he plays for.
Hopefully, that's us.

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[Lukeblueboy]

Already looks good in navy blue and white!
If u squint a little, it almost looks like he’s wearing a Carlton top

 

[Bale Dup]

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Already looks good in navy blue and white!
If u squint a little, it almost looks like he’s wearing a Carlton top

Everyone looks good in our guernsey.

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[Wickzki]

I'm confident that the Campo twins will be great value for us, but I don't buy into "people knowing he's locked away to us" - as why doesn't this apply to Ashcroft and other higher rated locked away players?

If you're one of the highest rated players in the draft then teams won't allow you to drop.

But if you're one in a pack of 20 or 30 comparable players after the upper echelon talents have been drafted then it can happen.

Watching these kids I believe this could be the type of draft where you find quite a few players drafted after pick 30 who end up having better careers than kids drafted say 10 to 30.

I'm starting to believe that there is a cream of this crop but the next layer is as deep as it's been in a long time. In this case it's easy for father-son selections to drop as did Calsher Dear last year and others have in the past.

 

[DangerousD]

Why would Carl or crows do that though? Our desired player will be there anyway.

It’s possible Adelaide just want best available and pick 2 would guarantee that

 

[JuddgementDay]

If you're one of the highest rated players in the draft then teams won't allow you to drop.

But if you're one in a pack of 20 or 30 comparable players after the upper echelon talents have been drafted then it can happen.

Watching these kids I believe this could be the type of draft where you find quite a few players drafted after pick 30 who end up having better careers than kids drafted say 10 to 30.

I'm starting to believe that there is a cream of this crop but the next layer is as deep as it's been in a long time. In this case it's easy for father-son selections to drop as did Calsher Dear last year and others have in the past.

I get what you are saying, but I wasn’t talking about where they are selected/ drafted per se; more so how they are rated atm

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I'm confident that the Campo twins will be great value for us, but I don't buy into "people knowing he's locked away to us" - as why doesn't this apply to Ashcroft and other higher rated locked away players?

I think if you're a roughly second round pick as a father sone or academy no one cares enough to put the time into considering you. The top end players are only reviewed so that the clubs entitled to them can be held accountable. No one cares about a pick in the 20's or 30's from a fairness perspective. Clubs just don't want other clubs getting first round quality for free.

 

[Pablito]

Just check whether he made the NEAFL team (Northern Conference) playing against men in his top age year in 2013. It kind of blows your "he had a poor top end year theory " out of the water.

You are dead set wrong.

You mean the northern bush league? That started up in 2011?

You have nothing of substance to back up your claim. He wasn't being described as a generational talent after his year in the NEAFL was he?

Such generational talent he played with that year also.

 

[GT619]

Exactly right look at all the best players in the comp Cripps Neale Bont Merrett Pendle
None are straight line fast but all have fast lateral movement fast awareness and most of all fast football brains
This is what Smith and Fos have over Draper and the reason there my first preferences

when fos and Smith get it the game slows down. damage per possession

 

[Wickzki]

I get what you are saying, but I wasn’t talking about where they are selected/ drafted per se; more so how they are rated atm

Each club rates players differently. If you polled every club come the end of the draft you'll find that most picks could be questioned by various clubs.

If a father/son isn't in the cream of the crop it's been proven that these players often slide. Not necessarily because clubs haven't rated the player either.

The consensus seems to be that Ben is rated around 30 to 40 in this draft and may or may not slide partly because he's father/son and partly because clubs with selections in this range may rate other players equally high or slightly higher.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[bradfisher14]

Jagga makes him look like Arnie Schwarzenegger

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They look the same to me. My point is that there are plenty of players that have come into the league with skinny arms and become outstanding players. Arm size should not prevent us from selecting a player.

 

[BigFrizz36]

You mean the northern bush league? That started up in 2011?

You have nothing of substance to back up your claim. He wasn't being described as a generational talent after his year in the NEAFL was he?

Such generational talent he played with that year also.

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This is a 17 year old kid deemed to be too young to play AFL.

Once again your argument was that Martin had a poor top age junior year and that is a pointer to why FOS will be a bust.

Jack Martin played against men in that year and received the highest honour that he could by being selected in the team of the year. As a 17 year old. Against men. Surely that is better than having a good year in the TAC cup against other 17 year olds. The grand final in the NEAFL that year saw the Brisbane Lions reserves defeat the Sydney Swans reserves so there were plenty of next level from AFL players playing

No matter how you try and demean that achievement it's clear that he had as good a top age season as he could have had (as that was the only competition that he could play in). It's pretty clear that you aren't going to admit that your bizarre claims are wrong. It's even more bizarre to claim that Jack Martin's career has anything to do with that of FOS.

 

[DangerousD]

Decent comparison with Draper, might be a tad quicker than Shiel

For me, Smith has Butters traits, but I also see Hannaford with similar traits and can't believe how underrated he is with all rankings

Sorry to post a question not relevant to this post but I can’t be bothered going back the several pages to the quote.

I wanted to get your thoughts on your assessments of Jhye Clark in his draft year, I saw your assessments of a champs game where you stated that Clark was your favourite in the draft, the game you were commenting on he had 16 touches at 73% efficiency.

He has really struggled not only at AFL but VFL too and I was wondering if looking back, if any warning signs were there?

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I rest my case, your honour.

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I reckon his head and face looks exactly the same now as back then, interesting phenomenon


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[circusdevil]

They look the same to me. My point is that there are plenty of players that have come into the league with skinny arms and become outstanding players. Arm size should not prevent us from selecting a player.

I think you are taking his comment too seriously ... it was just an armless observation

 

[Wickzki]

This is a 17 year old kid deemed to be too young to play AFL.

Once again your argument was that Martin had a poor top age junior year and that is a pointer to why FOS will be a bust.

Jack Martin played against men in that year and received the highest honour that he could by being selected in the team of the year. As a 17 year old. Against men. Surely that is better than having a good year in the TAC cup against other 17 year olds. The grand final in the NEAFL that year saw the Brisbane Lions reserves defeat the Sydney Swans reserves so there were plenty of next level from AFL players playing

No matter how you try and demean that achievement it's clear that he had as good a top age season as he could have had (as that was the only competition that he could play in). It's pretty clear that you aren't going to admit that your bizarre claims are wrong. It's even more bizarre to claim that Jack Martin's career has anything to do with that of FOS.

Will absolutely support this post. I know footy people at the Southport Sharks and other NEAFL clubs that believe Martin had a "one of a kind" level year that year in the NEAFL. The sky was absolutely the limit for him.

The kid that grew up next door to me who moved up north to play NEAFL - that was his final season - who was particularly impressed. He'd played in both the Sydney and SEQLD leagues before playing NEAFL. Had some AFL players on his teams at various stages and he puts Martin up there as the best bss played with or against.

Anyone who's discounting Jack's footy before his AFL debut really needs to talk to those who were there. Nobody has a bad word to say about his form.

I think they're also discounting the player he became. If not for those chronic calves that destroyed his career he'd be an easy 200 gamer now. Lack of ability has never been his issue. It's his health and some would claim the MH related to said injuries. Getting back up every time you cop a setback is bloody hard.

 

[Pablito]

This is a 17 year old kid deemed to be too young to play AFL.

Once again your argument was that Martin had a poor top age junior year and that is a pointer to why FOS will be a bust.

Jack Martin played against men in that year and received the highest honour that he could by being selected in the team of the year. As a 17 year old. Against men. Surely that is better than having a good year in the TAC cup against other 17 year olds. The grand final in the NEAFL that year saw the Brisbane Lions reserves defeat the Sydney Swans reserves so there were plenty of next level from AFL players playing

No matter how you try and demean that achievement it's clear that he had as good a top age season as he could have had (as that was the only competition that he could play in). It's pretty clear that you aren't going to admit that your bizarre claims are wrong. It's even more bizarre to claim that Jack Martin's career has anything to do with that of FOS.

Can you quote where I said he had a poor year? If I said that I take it back.
If you can't then you're either deliberately misquoting me or you inferred the wrong message.

I'm saying his u18 year was not as good as his u17. And based on the evidence provided that's a fact.

Also I'd rate TAC cup as a better comp over NEAFL in its infancy.

You're gaslighting is incredible. You understand the example made comparing Jack Martins junior career to FOS you just don't agree with it. You're arguing against it over the past few pages proves that.

Claiming its bizarre is just another way to belittle the opposing opinion. It could work for you maybe on the more inexperienced posters.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

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Already looks good in navy blue and white!
If u squint a little, it almost looks like he’s wearing a Carlton top

If you squint a little he looks like Bret Thornton.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Will absolutely support this post. I know footy people at the Southport Sharks and other NEAFL clubs that believe Martin had a "one of a kind" level year that year in the NEAFL. The sky was absolutely the limit for him.

The kid that grew up next door to me who moved up north to play NEAFL - that was his final season - who was particularly impressed. He'd played in both the Sydney and SEQLD leagues before playing NEAFL. Had some AFL players on his teams at various stages and he puts Martin up there as the best bss played with or against.

Anyone who's discounting Jack's footy before his AFL debut really needs to talk to those who were there. Nobody has a bad word to say about his form.

I think they're also discounting the player he became. If not for those chronic calves that destroyed his career he'd be an easy 200 gamer now. Lack of ability has never been his issue. It's his health and some would claim the MH related to said injuries. Getting back up every time you cop a setback is bloody hard.

Jack was playing against men from the age of 14 or 15 in the GNFL.

Ask Crippa...

 

[Arr0w]

Sorry to post a question not relevant to this post but I can’t be bothered going back the several pages to the quote.

I wanted to get your thoughts on your assessments of Jhye Clark in his draft year, I saw your assessments of a champs game where you stated that Clark was your favourite in the draft, the game you were commenting on he had 16 touches at 73% efficiency.

He has really struggled not only at AFL but VFL too and I was wondering if looking back, if any warning signs were there?

I don't actually have favourites, more how I see kids transitioning to the next level

Clark has certainly been underwhelming at the next, just can't seem to get his hands on the pill, despite still never shirking a contest

Important year for him coming up, if he doesn't improve he might get cut

 

[Foucault1989]

True, which is why im so baffled. I still feel like everyone who rates him as a top 3 pick is taking crazy pills. Including the journos.

Especially compared to other top 5 prospects who don't have his same glaring form issues.

Agree with you mate. I simply cannot understand what people are watching when it comes to FOS. If he wasn't rated highly and I saw his highlights, I'd rate him as an average 2nd round pick.