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Analysis 2024 National Draft
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If we were to look back at Clark and see if there were any red flags at under 18 level,
I reckon they would be accumulation and bodysize for the role the plays. Also, lack of 2nd position if he cant make it as an onballer.
I think those are the things holding him back at AFL level at the moment. Sometimes the signs are obvious.
That said, it's still early days and while it's unlikely he becomes a star he could still be a decent player.
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How would you rank those 5?
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He'll be a freakish half forward midfielder or half back and then move into a centre bounce rotation and do ****ing well there too. Runs all day. Moves well just not 'fast', rarely second to the ball because he reads it faster.
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"Really not just the depth but the positional variety. And for us, we're clearly looking for some speed and some run and some key position depth behind the ball. So we'll get after that. We feel like there's some players that will be around the market we can bring into our footy club that can make a difference.”
- Nick Austin
Langford
FOS
Smith
Lalor
Draper
- Nick Austin
Langford
FOS
Smith
Lalor
Draper
"Really not just the depth but the positional variety. And for us, we're clearly looking for some speed and some run and some key position depth behind the ball. So we'll get after that. We feel like there's some players that will be around the market we can bring into our footy club that can make a difference.”
- Nick Austin
Langford
FOS
Smith
Lalor
Draper
translation anyone.
I'm no expert but anyone else have the feeling that Langford is going to wind up the best player from this draft? I get we have a one-paced midfield and we really need to address that. But whoever ends up with him I think is going to really happy in a few years.
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He doesn’t say it there I know but defs heard him say run and ball use when someone asked him going into the trade period what he was looking for."Really not just the depth but the positional variety. And for us, we're clearly looking for some speed and some run and some key position depth behind the ball. So we'll get after that. We feel like there's some players that will be around the market we can bring into our footy club that can make a difference.”
- Nick Austin
Langford
FOS
Smith
Lalor
Draper
Makes me think Jagga or fos
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Entirely possible, but I reckon it's partly driven by good old fashioned subconscious FOMO.
Of the top group, he seems the one we're less likely to take, and that has people worried that we're gonna miss the best player because he didn't tick a very specific box for us.
I don't think Langford is any more or less likely to be the best of the bunch than any of the others.
"Really not just the depth but the positional variety. And for us, we're clearly looking for some speed and some run and some key position depth behind the ball. So we'll get after that. We feel like there's some players that will be around the market we can bring into our footy club that can make a difference.”
- Nick Austin
Langford
FOS
Smith
Lalor
Draper
All these players offer something we don’t have in the midfield. Speed should not be the defining quality. How many premiership teams have had elite speed in the midfield. Without doing the analysis WC team of Judd, Kerr and Cousins. Outside of that most premiership teams have not had overly pacey midfields. The defining quality would be aggression, ball use and leadership.
I can see a midfield of Cripps, Walsh and Langford. Throw in Cerra and E. Hollands to that mix with a young Ben Campo and Cody Walker on the horizon.
Kennedy is gone and Hewitt will become depth IMO
We can also target some more speed around the flanks which I see as more of a weakness. Austin may be targeting speed in these positions with later/ rookie picks.
I’m not against selecting any of the 5 names above. I do have a preference for the type of resilience, style and ball use that translates to the pressure big AFL games. I think Langford has this in spades
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How often do the players who test in the elite categories for speed at the combines go on to become the elite players in the game ?
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My top 3 in order. Smith, Langford, FOS
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Prime examples of picking the best players rather than the best athlete
Interesting thing Juice is the quote below was from an interview on the last day of the combine, before the trade period.
I don’t think he had Jagga or FOS in mind when he made this quote. More likely he was talking in general terms about getting some pace, run and KPD depth into the team in terms of our draft hand at the time.
At that point in time we only had #12 in the first round. Austin would have planned to get another first round pick with our F1. But I don’t think Austin or anyone would have banked on WCE giving up #3.
“On the priority for the list: “Yeah, I think the evenness of the (draft) group again, it's the number one pick. There's still four or five names at this point in time that could go number one. And even beyond that there's sort of another group of 15 to 20 players that you could throw a blanket over. Really not just the depth but the positional variety.
And for us, we're clearly looking for some speed and some run and some key position depth behind the ball. So we'll get after that. We feel like there's some players that will be around the market (mark) we can bring into our footy club that can make a difference.”
My FOS red flag is his lack of accumulation, just struggle to currently see him finding the ball 20+ times at AFL level if he struggles to do it at under 18's level.
Even Cripps as an unfit 17 year old could find the ball 30+ times.
FOS may have games where he gets 20+ possessions and you love him, then he will have those 10 possession games and you'll be annoyed.
Rayner in his draft year was the same, struggled to find the ball, but he was super explosive. He's never transitioned to an AFL midfielder and has been stuck as that explosive game changing forward.
LDU v Dow - LDU racked up possessions and Dow was an "explosive" inside midfielder. Dow ended up being limited in his AFL positions and limited in his ability to find the ball.
Smith - You know there is a high chance at AFL level he will find it 30+ times a game, the question for him is how damaging will those possessions be, Tom Mitchell levels or maybe Neale levels?
FOS types don't need accumulate high numbers to be damaging, especially that he will be splitting his time between HF/midfield
Lalor is my preference for that role, even a grunt bue collar version in Hannaford, who i have in my top 10, but he won't last to pick 38
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Yeah... when ur talking a top 3 pick we're not picking the best athlete, we're picking a gun footballer who also happens to match what we lack athletically.
You're an intelligent poster Arr0w, to suggest we'd be doing otherwise by not taking Langford is silly.
Smillie has performed almost just as well as Langford this year, but he doesn't cop a mention in here for good reason. Adding another 190+ slow midfielder to our mix would be utterly ludicrous.
Knevitt is not the best example but the points still stands.
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The other element is footy IQ - the ability to make the right decision at the right time. This something we’re severely lacking in and particularly by our better players.
Would you classify Bontempelli as a slow midfielder? If you had the chance to draft a 18 year old Bont at pick 3 would you?
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Read something along the lines from a poster that knows a recruiter, he is the one that could be the slider on the night could drop as low as pick 15. Remarkable really he's got incredible forward craft to go along with his midfield evasiveness.
Furthermore, Melbourne are looking at Murphy if Tauru is gone at 5, there has to be some other knock on Langford that's not speed related he looks quicker than Murphy to me.
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No I don't, and with the other options on offer no I wouldnt.The only reason I'd be taking Bont is because of what we know he has become later down the track.
Langford is no guarantee of ever reaching those heights and doesn't fit our list profile right now compared to the others.
Whether it's Lalor, Jagga, Smith or FOS idm.
Just not Langford, Smillie or Reid.
Jagga smith Watching the way he moves , his decision making and kicking plus his accumulation I think he could even start his career as a half back flank similar to the way North have played Colby Mc, sheezel and pies played Daicos early on.
I also think he could also play as a high half forward similar to a role Gran myers plays for the cats.
He offers a difference and has the smarts to play different roles and do it well.
I also think he could also play as a high half forward similar to a role Gran myers plays for the cats.
He offers a difference and has the smarts to play different roles and do it well.
This is a poor question to ask. A sort of false one. Prior to the draft you don’t know that the slowish midfielder you like is going to be the quality of a Bontempelli. You don’t have that guarantee. Using this sort of hindsight question is pointless.
Langford is a little on the slow side but has excellent endurance which helps. He has a lot of great qualities which revolve around him having possession of the ball. With Carlton’s slowness and resulting poor defence around stoppage is he going to help when we DONT have the ball. Who is going to stop the opposition when they get hands to the ball first.
Carlton needs a quality midfielder who has also has the ability to apply pressure when we don’t have the ball. Langfords represents a risk of being unable to do that.
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Smillie I thought was quickish.
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