Analysis 2024 National Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[Soapy V]

Langford is unlikely to go top 2, like him but still think Draper & O'Sullivan in that order, feel Draper is more ready to have a impact next year.

I don't think we are looking seriously at Draper. Talk seems to be between FOS, Langord and Smith as the names we are now focussed on

 

[JuddgementDay]

I'm not sure my opinion means much. I am purely an intersted observer like most others. I always find it hard without knowing what the kid is like mentally. I would love to hear the interviews

Personally, I think we need leg speed and ball use. BUT at Pick 3 you pick the best player as they all look like guns

I like FOS & Langford as they look calm, are leaders, have size and poise and use the ball well. They both have what we need and will walk into side round one

Just my take but I'll back whoever we take and I really hope we get another pick in before taking Ben Camporeale who I believe will be much better than most expect

Cheers - Langford kills our midfield mix though

We on these forums are just killing time until the draft - the club will pick whoever they pick after serious considerations, but for me - #3 has to add substantially to our need right now and of course has plenty of upside for the future too.
I've come around to Draper now

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

I don't think we are looking seriously at Draper. Talk seems to be between FOS, Langord and Smith as the names we are now focussed on

Listening to Cal today sounds like it’s FOS or Langford

 

[Soapy V]

Listening to Cal today sounds like it’s FOS or Langford

That's what I am told as well with Smith as next option

 

[Opium]

He has

Ashcroft
O'Sullivan
Langford

I want FOS or Langford. Could miss both

I really hope we get Langford. Glad to see we're at least looking.

 

[SirSanchez]

Is us saying we are going for FOS a smoke screen for Sid ?
Apparently met with him again (2nd or 3rd time) only a few days ago

 

[Opium]

Watching those highlights, all I could see was those hands, geez this kid can catch it...

Not seen hands like that since Heeney was kicking around as a junior...

Langford has composure with ball in hand. Appears to always have time. Elite ball use and can mark. This can't be taught. Is all class.

Compare that to Draper's highlights who always looks rushed and disposal isn't always the best.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Might be veering a little off-topic, but it's ostensibly draft-related, so what the heck.

I reckon the biggest issue with a "no discount" approach is that it only takes one rogue List Manager to tank another team's draft plans with an early bid. The potential exists currently, but at least there's a buffer where you know a bid coming a few picks early will still see you paying "fair" for your player.

I also think the fluid nature of it all is a bit messy. For Brisbane, as an example, the difference between an Ashcroft bid at 1 and an Ashcroft bid at 5 is massive, in terms of how much draft capital they need. Similarly with us - a bid at 37 vs a bid at 39 for Campo completely changes the landscape of our draft position.

Kind of makes me wonder if it would be neater for the valuation of academy/father-son/NGA players to be done effectively by committee. Have each club submit where they would rank each player, say 3 weeks out from the draft. Remove the earliest and latest valuations to account for shenanigans. Average out the rest.

The "market" collectively values Ashcroft at 3, Lombard at 9, Kako at 13, Campo at 46 etc. Then the club tied to each player is notified of the valuations and can make their submission for how they'll secure them. Let them do it using whatever picks they want. Carlton needs 350pts - let us decide if we're using a combination of late picks, or taking 350pts off our first pick. I think it would give clubs more flexibility in securing lower rated players, but would still require clubs with top end talent to pay up big. Removes all the "live trading" crap as well, can't trade down for a million late picks if this is all established pre-draft.

You'd then go into the draft with everyone's picks pre-adjusted for the bid-matched players, and a handful of picks that are already locked in as "preselections" with player X going to club Y.

Probably holes in that idea too, but my wandering mind thinks it's something that could work, and would help fill the media void between Trade period and Draft.

No one forces you to take a FS though so if a club bids early then too bad, it may hurt your club a little but you can make the choice of matching or not.
That’s the problem with the whole thing imo, it’s seen as some sort of acceptable luck some sides get allowing them a leg up on 17 other clubs. It shouldn’t be, it should be simply about giving the team a choice of whether they want to pay for the kid or not. If anything they should have to pay more to have special/priorty access to players.
If there is any truth in the romance of FS then they’ll get to the club and if they actually have to pay more then Expected then it’s probably worth it for the “romance” of it all.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

I really hope we get Langford. Glad to see we're at least looking.

Cal said we have met with him multiple times recently

 

[marcmurphy3]

Question for draft watchers - how would you group the top 6-7 candidates. It doesn't sound like there is a single consensus number 1, so how many are in the running?

Basically I'm curious as to whether we'll be taking who is left of 3 standouts, or whether we'll still have a decision to make.

(Not including Ashcroft obviously)

I think you have a top 6 (Ashcroft, Lalor, FOS, Jagga, Draper, Langford) that could go in any order depending on which clubs have the picks. You could potentially add Smillie and Tauru as the best KPP prospect, but most would have them marginally behind. So top 6-8.

I don't think it's a top 3 and us taking whoever is left. I think it's a top 6 and we will have 3-4 options to choose from. That said, we might have a standout top 3 on our board that suit us. When I say top 6 I'm more talking industry consensus.

 

[Soapy V]

Cheers - Langford kills our midfield mix though

Personally I can't get past his ball use. It is phenomenal and is what we desperately need. Everytime i watch him I see a mix between Bont & Pendles. Calm, great ball use and just smart

He could play mid, fwd, wing or HB in his first year

IMO I think he will be the best player to come out of the draft

 

[RPCB]

Is us saying we are going for FOS a smoke screen for Sid ?
Apparently met with him again (2nd or 3rd time) only a few days ago

The first two clubs drafting are both shit and probably won’t draft the South Australian, so we shouldn’t need to use anyone as a smoke screen for Draper.

 

[macky99]

I don't think we are looking seriously at Draper. Talk seems to be between FOS, Langord and Smith as the names we are now focussed on

Alot of conflicting stories around, but suspect if we meet Draper last Friday he is very much in the mix which he should.
Although l am big Langford fan, suspect Draper is a better fit for us right now.

l don't believe Langford will go until Melbourne's pick.

 

[Opium]

I don't think we are looking seriously at Draper. Talk seems to be between FOS, Langord and Smith as the names we are now focussed on

Great result. I'm not a huge fan of Draper.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Only follows a few clubs and we are one of them

It’s a sign

 

[Soapy V]

Alot of conflicting stories around, but suspect if we meet Draper last Friday he is very much in the mix which he should.
Although l am big Langford fan, suspect Draper is a better fit for us right now.

Talk is we have met with the Top 6 we rate at least twice each in last week. I'm told preference is FOS, Langford then Smith. Time will tell

 

[Stamos]

If anything they should have to pay more to have special/priorty access to players.
If there is any truth in the romance of FS then they’ll get to the club and if they actually have to pay more then Expected then it’s probably worth it for the “romance” of it all.

This is nonsensical.

 

[Stamos]

Is us saying we are going for FOS a smoke screen for Sid ?
Apparently met with him again (2nd or 3rd time) only a few days ago

According to Twomey we've met all the top 5 in the last few days.

 

[Soapy V]

Great result. I'm not a huge fan of Draper.

I haven't heard much but comment was we really rate Top 6 and have worked hard to narrow options. We rate Draper but seems as though he is just out of our top 3

 

[ray8182]

St Kilda are a pathetic club and those comments are a symptom of that. Utter insanity. St Kilda have just as much access to Father Sons as anyone else and have had more NGA success than we have had.

The only thing that is pathetic is the system. It’s been a joke for some time. The points system has been pathetic, just look at what Brisbane paid for the ashcrofts. And the academies being based on a parent born overseas is laughable eg Jamara UH.


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[BlueTongue]

I don't think we are looking seriously at Draper. Talk seems to be between FOS, Langord and Smith as the names we are now focussed on

Yeah. these are the 3 I'd be hopeful to get.

I know we need speed, but one player isn't going to make too much difference overall, but a good ball user definitely will have a major impact.

That's why i want to see us draft Langford, he looks AFL ready now.

We aren't Hawthorn, so a speedy running gameplan isn't going to suit us at present, but I do like that we are a pressure team.

IMHO that's why i think it's crucial we get a good ball user, to make sure we hit targets, because if we dont we'll get burned off very quickly.

 

[Soapy V]

Yeah. these are the 3 I'd be hopeful to get.

I know we need speed, but one player isn't going to make too much difference overall, but a good ball user definitely will have a major impact.

That's why i want to see us draft Langford, he looks AFL ready now.

We aren't Hawthorn, so a speedy running gameplan isn't going to suit us at present, but I do like that we are a pressure team.

IMHO that's why i think it's crucial we get a good ball user, to make sure we hit targets, because we'll get burned off very quickly.

I agree but smarts and ball use is very much speed IMO. As much as run

FOS & Langford may not be elite with leg speed but they make us quicker

 

[Opium]

Yeah. these are the 3 I'd be hopeful to get.

I know we need speed, but one player isn't going to make too much difference overall, but a good ball user definitely will have a major impact.

That's why i want to see us draft Langford, he looks AFL ready now.

We aren't Hawthorn, so a speedy running gameplan isn't going to suit us at present, but I do like that we are a pressure team.

IMHO that's why i think it's crucial we get a good ball user, to make sure we hit targets, because if we dont we'll get burned off very quickly.

This is 100 percent spot on. Our midfield consists of Cripps ,Hewett, Walsh and Cerra. None are elite ball users. Cerra is the best of that lot. None are penetrating kicks. Langford offers us a POD and is versatile. Can go forward or back.

 

[Juice030103]

Anyone got an actual thing that was said about who we are leaning towards on gettable or did he just say those few

 

[BlueTongue]

I agree but smarts and ball use is very much speed IMO. As much as run

FOS & Langford may not be elite with leg speed but they make us quicker

Yep, I haven't seen any players that can outrun a 40m dart.