Analysis 2024 National Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Why did we just trade and delist Kennedy and Carroll Soapy?

your implication here is just wrong. Kennedy was literally ranked Bottom 1 in the comp for most of last season for kicking efficiency going inside 50. Last! And no small sample size.

Carroll???? Seriously!!!????

 

[Jimmae]

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It now looks like we'll have 2 SSP spots open.

So 4 picks at draft. Maybe one rookie, and 2 x SSP.

Ok I wasn't aware of the requirements for SSP train-on, but I still think we'd be wild to leave things go that long in the current climate. I'd hope we're angling for someone like Allison sooner, and waving off Carroll or Durdin.

Alternatively, I assume we can cut someone's trial short and move onto another candidate?

 

[Jimmae]

Just doing some finger maths, the 10 who went where: David Cuningham, Caleb Marchbank, Jack Martin, Matt Owies, Jack Carroll, Matt Carroll, Sam Durdin, Dom Akuei

That's 9 by my count? So we have 6 spots, which aligns with 2 SSP signings, as Bletch has identified we must be targeting with 3 train on players and either 3 selections in the draft + Lucas in the rookie draft or 4 selections at the draft and no rookie, meaning we won't be splitting Pick #3?

We traded Kennedy, and moved on Mirkov. You've only named 8 players.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Sorry but I 100% disagree. Langford or FOS aren't "slow" Win the ball is the key

Cerra & Walsh and even Cripps can burst form the middle. Then give mid minutes to Motlop, Durdin, Williams etc to freshen up. Boyd Wilosn Saad Ollie etc running off HB. Win the ball and use it properly and leg speed is largely irrelevant

Cripps is fast over 10 metres these days.

Speed will be better when we can still run in the 4th quarter too
which Langford is an expert at...

 

[Jimmae]

Cripps is fast over 10 metres these days.

Speed will be better when we can still run in the 4th quarter too
which Langford is an expert at...

You should watch more of Smillie.

 

[Benaly28]

Kevin Sheehan going with Jagga and Sid as top 3 picks.

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[SkyhorseTamer]

You should watch more of Smillie.

I like Smillie. Think the problem there is how much Smillie watches Smillie

 

[Bletch]

Ok I wasn't aware of the requirements for SSP train-on, but I still think we'd be wild to leave things go that long in the current climate. I'd hope we're angling for someone like Allison sooner, and waving off Carroll or Durdin.

Alternatively, I assume we can cut someone's trial short and move onto another candidate?

Possibly. Of course, there's another possibility... we already have a long term injury that hasn't been reported.

 

[BlueNath]

I am not hearing much about Jagga anymore. Have we cooled on him? Its funny looking at the poll, suggesting otherwise. Langford is the flavor of the day, yet he isnt polling well

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

your implication here is just wrong. Kennedy was literally ranked Bottom 1 in the comp for most of last season for kicking efficiency going inside 50. Last! And no small sample size.

Carroll???? Seriously!!!????

Stop having a melt, our midfield is treacle paced and it's common knowledge.

Everyone from the media, to opposition fans, to our own fans and club officials have known that all season long and we've seen numerous examples of it being problematic (Swans, Hawks, GWS, Saints etc).

The FOMO of the draft seems to have blinded many as to what our list needs are, repeat sprints and running power are what our team desperately lacks, good ball use not as much - Otherwise we would have traded for Houston.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Okay JD but apart from:
- being SA’s Under 16 captain in 2022
- taking out the state Under 18 MVP in 2023
- going on to captain South Adelaide’s SANFL Under 18 premiership
- being awarded the AFL life members scholarship
- being one of only two players to make the All Australian U18 team in both 2023 and 2024
- having more senior experience than any top draft prospect in 2024,

...what has Draper done.

Sounds like a bum!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

The thing is, transition play isn't always about who's the fastest sprinter but rather who's the fastest across the length of the field. Langford was one of the top performers in the 2km time trial, and his running capacity is elite for his class. His 20m sprint is lower, but when it comes to the transition game and broader running capacity he'll be a positive contributor to it.

Most of the game isn't played in an all out sprint. In fact very little of it is.

Transition play used to be about labouring along. It's now very much a game of sprints and high intent efforts.

Just have to watch Hawthorn or Geelong to see how their immense running power from their forward half players breaks the games open for them.

Part of the reason why their ball movement often looks silky smooth and ours looks like we're extracting blood from a stone.

 

[BlueNath]

Stop having a melt, our midfield is treacle paced and it's common knowledge.

Everyone from the media, to opposition fans, to our own fans and club officials have known that all season long and we've seen numerous examples of it being problematic (Swans, Hawks, GWS, Saints etc).

The FOMO of the draft seems to have blinded many as to what our list needs are, repeat sprints and running power are what our team desperately lacks, good ball use not as much - Otherwise we would have traded for Houston.

Its fair that we get a bit of FOMO. Its great debating the options. Thankfully we have a bunch of cool heads at the club who will have done years of research and analysis to get to this point. They know exactly what our team needs are and will not be distracted by outside noise. They will deliver us a kid that will perfectly fit our need.

But that is them. This is us. Bring on the FOMO

 

[JuddgementDay]

Transition play used to be about labouring along. It's now very much a game of sprints and high intent efforts.

Just have to watch Hawthorn or Geelong to see how their immense running power from their forward half players breaks the games open for them.

Part of the reason why their ball movement often looks silky smooth and ours looks like we're extracting blood from a stone.

I'm liking your analysis - keep 'em coming

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Its fair that we get a bit of FOMO. Its great debating the options. Thankfully we have a bunch of cool heads at the club who will have done years of research and analysis to get to this point. They know exactly what our team needs are and will not be distracted by outside noise. They will deliver us a kid that will perfectly fit our need.

But that is them. This is us. Bring on the FOMO

Yes that's true, we are all just nuffies on the internet after all.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

We traded Kennedy, and moved on Mirkov. You've only named 8 players.

Edit, sorry - i missed Mirkov in the list above and yes forgot about Kennedy, weird the list I was looking at included Owies but not Kennedy. Also included Jack Carroll who was delisted after the trade period, so not sure why it missed Kennedy.

 

[AT97]

Kevin Sheehan going with Jagga and Sid as top 3 picks.

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The ‘rubber man’ or the ‘boy with dancing feet’…

 

[Sheephead]

Talk is we have met with the Top 6 we rate at least twice each in last week. I'm told preference is FOS, Langford then Smith. Time will tell

Heard the same. Order of preference is pretty correct. Cannot miss, but, FOS may be gone. Trade for 2 very much still on the table. Plenty of time for teams to placate NM.

As for Jimmae’s summation, he’s right - Good trade offers for 3 WILL come, especially if NM stay at 2. RIC as an example will not take 1, 6,10,11,18, 20, 23, and 24 to the draft. Financial purgatory down the road. GWS and GCS have shown that.

Would anyone take 3 first rounders for #3 and #38? Depending on the offer, I would. Still better than 12 and 14 and more options in a very strong draft. 6, 18, 20 for example could get you a good mid (Smillie), a KPD (Barrat) and a speedy fwd (Berry). The offer could be even better. 6, 11 and 23 maybe. It’s not unrealistic to suggest a trade down is still an option is the point. Never say never.

Langford or Jagga would be fine though. Draper may fall I suggest with his injury.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Just doing some finger maths, the 10 who went where: David Cuningham, Caleb Marchbank, Jack Martin, Matt Owies, Jack Carroll, Matt Carroll, Sam Durdin, Dom Akuei, Alex Mirkov

That's 9 by my count? So we have 6 spots, which aligns with 2 SSP signings, as Bletch has identified we must be targeting with 3 train on players and either 3 selections in the draft + Lucas in the rookie draft or 4 selections at the draft and no rookie, meaning we won't be splitting Pick #3?

Bam Bam too.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Heard the same. Order of preference is pretty correct. Cannot miss, but, FOS may be gone. Trade for 2 very much still on the table. Plenty of time for teams to placate NM.

As for Jimmae’s summation, he’s right - Good trade offers for 3 WILL come, especially if NM stay at 2. RIC as an example will not take 1, 6,10,11,18, 20, 23, and 24 to the draft. Financial purgatory down the road. GWS and GCS have shown that.

Would anyone take 3 first rounders for #3 and #38? Depending on the offer, I would. Still better than 12 and 14 and more options in a very strong draft. 6, 18, 20 for example could get you a good mid (Smillie), a KPD (Barrat) and a speedy fwd (Berry). The offer could be even better. 6, 11 and 23 maybe. It’s not unrealistic to suggest a trade down is still an option is the point. Never say never.

Langford or Jagga would be fine though. Draper may fall I suggest with his injury.

Those trade downs are unrealistic because if those type of deals were on the table North Melbourne (who are looking to split) would take them for 2. The reason they aren't splitting is because the offers aren't there.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure we could get overs for 3 but it would require us trading out of the top 10 (back to where we started). There won't be a decent slide option.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Heard the same. Order of preference is pretty correct. Cannot miss, but, FOS may be gone. Trade for 2 very much still on the table. Plenty of time for teams to placate NM.

As for Jimmae’s summation, he’s right - Good trade offers for 3 WILL come, especially if NM stay at 2. RIC as an example will not take 1, 6,10,11,18, 20, 23, and 24 to the draft. Financial purgatory down the road. GWS and GCS have shown that.

Would anyone take 3 first rounders for #3 and #38? Depending on the offer, I would. Still better than 12 and 14 and more options in a very strong draft. 6, 18, 20 for example could get you a good mid (Smillie), a KPD (Barrat) and a speedy fwd (Berry). The offer could be even better. 6, 11 and 23 maybe. It’s not unrealistic to suggest a trade down is still an option is the point. Never say never.

Langford or Jagga would be fine though. Draper may fall I suggest with his injury.

Injury?

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Okay JD but apart from:
- being SA’s Under 16 captain in 2022
- taking out the state Under 18 MVP in 2023
- going on to captain South Adelaide’s SANFL Under 18 premiership
- being awarded the AFL life members scholarship
- being one of only two players to make the All Australian U18 team in both 2023 and 2024
- having more senior experience than any top draft prospect in 2024,

...what has Draper done.

Aquaducts…?

 

[Cripptonite]

Sounds like the crows are considering moving up for either FOS or Lalor.

Assuming FOS is the one we want at 3, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading pick 38 to the Roos for an upgrade to 2 and maybe some back end points in the 50s or 60s.

We’ll likely have to trade out 38 anyway if a Campo bid comes before it (SOS will 100% bid). And it could trump the Crows attempt to use a future 2nd with the Roos taking less of a risk sliding down only one pick.

If that fails, FOS or Jagga at 3 would be ideal.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Sounds like the crows are considering moving up for either FOS or Lalor.

Assuming FOS is the one we want at 3, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading pick 38 to the Roos for an upgrade to 2 and maybe some back end points in the 50s or 60s.

We’ll likely have to trade out 38 anyway if a Campo bid comes before it (SOS will 100% bid). And it could trump the Crows attempt to use a future 2nd with the Roos taking less of a risking sliding down one pick.

If that fails, FOS or Jagga at 3 would be ideal.

The good news is that I’m hearing there’s a decent chance St Kilda won’t have pick 32 come draft night.

 

[Arr0w]

And I'm sorta glad it's that way. As much as I'd like to know now who our 1,2,3 are, it's a good thing that Curly Jr is playing his cards close to his chest.

With all due respect to our genuine ITKs, none of them would have a complete understanding of who goes 1 and 2, and then you have the North scenario

I'd suspect we keen on any of Lalor, FOS, Smith, Draper, Langford, they all offer a unique skillset

I have those 5 ranked

Lalor
Langford
Draper
FOS
Smith

But it's a tight contest