Preview 2024 Rd 17 Carlton vs GWS Saturday 6th July 7:30PM @ Engie Stadium

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …

AFL team news: Blues welcome back two

Tom De Koning and Matthew Cottrell have been named for Round 17.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[AndyLucimitis]

You do realise that nobody (including yourself and the club doctors) knew that he actually tore his ACL at the time right? His kick was an absolute shocker and given he was back out there, of course people were going to assume he was ok and get frustrated with it during the heat of the game...

I love the Doc but I do believe he was one of the culprits last year of taking a mark, stopping, waiting and then bomb long to the forward line


....except the last kick in the Melbourne semi-final was Ok

 

[branedotorg]

I'm with you Sam. Shocked at the dropping. Just made so much sense to rest MK as I thought it's his turn and put the sore knee up. So unless we start getting more injuries, selection is going to get harder and harder. People will get left out that deserve a spot. But it's a good problem I suppose

MK is playing as a quasi 3rd tall, GH doesn't have that extra string to his bow though

 

[gbatman]

Changes a little unexpected. I think we are going run crazy. I think we have developed a system where we have elite runners in our forward line who are pushing high up the ground to get ahead of the ball and defend the contest. But are also good enough to run hard forward to make themselves dangerous.

My guess is they are really keen to see how Cottrell, who is an elite runner, will go with this defensive setup.

Hewett is unlucky as he's in good form. Could Kennedy be a late out? We will see.

A lot of talk about how Hewett, Kennedy and Cripps can't fit into the same team, too slow, not enough two way run. Same deal as with the two rucks. So Cerra has pushed Hewett out, and Kennedy is currently seen as the better player.

I'm guessing if GWS hesitate with ball movement, they are going to find it tough to find space and we should connect well on the rebound with hard running forwards.

 

[Blue Pulse]

This is the bonus of our teams current status - no longer are we the team where weaker/lower ranked teams go in thinking if they throw the kitchen sink at us they may snag a win - they come into our games in self preservation mode “how can we stop the bleeding.”

Totally agree, it makes the opposition defenders accountable, they have to throw a spare back if they want to have a 3rd man up against Charlie and Harry. That's why it was so good to see Fog and Fanta hit the scoreboard on the weekend and if you want to leave EH and Owies alone, good luck to you

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I couldn't agree more, you want an impact player coming on fresh, not a running machine like Cottrell

Conversely having a utility with multiple possible roles can be useful.

 

[David Sylvian]

Running both ways a great attribute in itself but the ability to deliver/prevent quality ball delivery when fatigued is the key

 

[Sam The Doc]

Let's do it Arrow

congrats

 

[Sam The Doc]

This is a terrible bet, for you to win, you need to go 10 games, Arrow needs 1

At this current moment we are playing much better with one recognised ruckman.
Unfortunate things would have to happen for this to change....

 

[Bongo Drum]

I'd like to see Cottrell et al have some game time on the wing. If not in this game, then in the following weeks to come.

 

[gbatman]

I think Cottrell will be the change winger, he will rotate with the other two. This will allow E Hollands to rotate mostly with the onballers.

 

[Arr0w]

I think Cottrell will be the change winger, he will rotate with the other two. This will allow E Hollands to rotate mostly with the onballers.

Yeap, rotating with Acres and Hollands

 

[Coops93]

What’s this narrative about Ollie being out of form? He gets low disposals because we use his wing offensively much less than the Acres one. But his defensive running has been just about the best in the team in the last month or so

Agreed, I'm not to sure where that's come from, but I'd suggest it's from those who look at stats.

He's a pattern running/structural winger who gets back defensively. He's not an attacking threat type of player, ala Acres or Cottrell. Though Acres does both tbf, the gun.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Think its clear that we see this as a very important game to win, so we are trying to field our absolute best as possible.

For sure, but what's the difference between best side with Kennedy and no Hewett, or best side with Hewett and no Kennedy?
Would be so small, that it's barely worth stressing about.
In fact, 'best side' probably means that somebody else entirely misses out and we play both MK and GH.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Agreed, I'm not to sure where that's come from, but I'd suggest it's from those who look at stats.

He's a pattern running/structural winger who gets back defensively. He's not an attacking threat type of player, ala Acres or Cottrell. Though Acres does both tbf, the gun.

Yep not the worst 20 year old going round.
There was one desperate effort in the last q against geelong where they all jumped on top of him, but he managed to push the ball out to us and resulted in a goal to us. Was really good and also didn't count as a possession!

 

[Blue_Fusion]

For sure, but what's the difference between best side with Kennedy and no Hewett, or best side with Hewett and no Kennedy?
Would be so small, that it's barely worth stressing about.
In fact, 'best side' probably means that somebody else entirely misses out and we play both MK and GH.

The thing MK has over George is his versatility. It's only slight, but who else do we leave out to have them both in? Cotts is a gut runner and that is being valued very highly.

 

[Monty1978]

This is a terrible bet, for you to win, you need to go 10 games, Arrow needs 1

I would have asked for 2 games or 1 final and mckay and curnow have to play aswell

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

I think Cottrell will be the change winger, he will rotate with the other two. This will allow E Hollands to rotate mostly with the onballers.

Cotters playing as the high half forward pretty much becomes a 3rd 'wingman'.

What he does do is to largely sacrifice his own game every week to provide support all over the ground where it's needed....and his running capacity allows him to do this. It also means that he doesn't rack up big stats when he plays that valued support role which our coaches would absolutely love.

He's developed so much over the past few years, and the footy analysts are starting to recognise it. Kingy was glowing with his praises of him last pre-season.

Why David King was impressed with “brutal” Carlton session and the players set to be the icing on the cake

“They’re looking for the icing on the cake, Carlton.”

www.sen.com.au

It'd be interesting one week if we let him off the leash and played him as more of an attacking wingman. Reckon he'd rack up minimum 20-25 possessions weekly like shelling peas.

 

[Coops93]

Changes a little unexpected. I think we are going run crazy. I think we have developed a system where we have elite runners in our forward line who are pushing high up the ground to get ahead of the ball and defend the contest. But are also good enough to run hard forward to make themselves dangerous.


A lot of talk about how Hewett, Kennedy and Cripps can't fit into the same team, too slow, not enough two way run. Same deal as with the two rucks. So Cerra has pushed Hewett out, and Kennedy is currently seen as the better player.

I think these 2 go hand in hand.

We've surrounded our bigger, inside contested types with elite run all day types. They balance eachother out and mean that if Cripps or Kennedy or whomever aren't able to break out of the contest it's ok as we have several guys who run all day and then some. Conversely it means they don't necessarily need to try and do that and can stay inside the contest and attack the ball harder.

We have a healthy balance of it at the moment. The structure outside the contested/clearance game is so strong it makes the clearance game even better - no 2nd guessing about defensive patterns, you know you have the structure to handle it, so just win the ball.

 

[Coops93]

I would have asked for 2 games or 1 final and mckay and curnow have to play aswell

Agreed. I feel like the spirit of the debate was that it won't happen in any meaningful game. Every chance there's a game thrown in just to see one more time how it looks or as a way of load managing TDK while still keeping him in the 1s.

But I highly doubt in any game that matters they're both playing.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Really hope we bring that 4 quarter manic forward pressure that we saw against Geelong…

Wasn’t as good against Richmond in the first half last week…

When we bring it, we are scary good…

 

[xDQ82x]

I would have asked for 2 games or 1 final and mckay and curnow have to play aswell

If they play TDK as a forward due to one missing and he pinch hits in the ruck surely that doesn't count.

I would still have the moral high ground.

 

[Manhattanite]

I would have asked for 2 games or 1 final and mckay and curnow have to play aswell

Yep that’s what I was thinking too - if god forbid McKay was out for a game they may want to replicate as close to the same structure in which case TDK plays forward and Pitto comes in and rucks

Point is they may no longer want to play two rucks but that doesn’t mean they won’t play TDK as a forward if forced to




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[skadoosh]

If they play TDK as a forward due to one missing and he pinch hits in the ruck surely that doesn't count.

I would still have the moral high ground.

I recommend this fella to review the terms of your wager. I hear he does superb work:

 

[gab213]

I think that it's no surprise that either Hewett or Kennedy would be the one to make way once Cerra and others became available. A bit tough on Hewy but as has been mentioned Kennedy is a bit more versatile and can plug holes if need be.

It is hard on the player but is a great position for the club to find itself in.

If we make the GF this year there will be plenty of hard luck stories

 

[M_I_G]

Anyone know if the boys flew up to Sydney yesterday or doing so this morning?

Turns out flight to Sydney today (and delayed) would they normally only do one night pre game interstate?