Preview 2024 Rd 21 Carlton vs Collingwood Saturday 3rd August 7:30PM AEST @ MCG

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MILESTONE: Jack Martin

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Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

150 AFL Games

AFL team news: Martin returns for game 150

A milestone for a returning Blue among four changes to the Round 21 team.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[ctwenty1]

if you like patterns, this week is looking good. Other than the lowly tiges and roos, we've split all our double ups so far.

cats - lost A, won B
gws - won A, lost B
port - won A, lost B
pies - lost A, ... B?

looking forward to a grand final against Sydney then - hope we dont get freo or brisbane...

 

[jimsta10]

Does anyone know when was Martin's last game (pre injury)?

 

[ctwenty1]

Does anyone know when was Martin's last game (pre injury)?

 

[Arr0w]

I'm really looking forward to this game with a number of better players coming into the side

 

[Soapy V]

Does anyone know when was Martin's last game (pre injury)?

Rd 9 v Melbourne (only game this year)

4 kicks, 2 handballs, 2 tackles, One goal and One Calf injury

 

[Arr0w]

Bit early to know who is ready to come back, but if healthy I'd go

Out Cuners, Carroll, Kemp, Ollie
In Boyd, Acres, McKay, Martin

Boyd Weitering Newman
Gov Young Saad

Cottrell Cripps Acres
Pitto Hewett Walsh

Elijah Charlie Fogarty
Motlop Harry Owies

Cerra Kennedy Cincotta Cowan Martin

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Very possible. I hope we can turn it around

I have no doubt we will. The hunger hasn't been lost, it's just the game plan isn't being executed because the buy in is not where it needs to be.

We played so safe vs Port after we were 5 goals up, it was almost as if they were content to save the game.

Can only hope they fix it starting this week, won't want to leave it much later...

A win here might just be the catalyst to kick start their confidence...

 

[GoBlues!]

Bit early to know who is ready to come back, but if healthy I'd go

Out Cuners, Carroll, Kemp
In Boyd, Acres, McKay

Boyd Weitering Newman
Gov Young Saad

Cottrell Cripps Acres
Pitto Hewett Walsh

Elijah Charlie Fogarty
Motlop Harry Owies

Cerra Kennedy Cincotta Ollie, Martin

You snuck Martin in without another out.

How did you do that…

 

[jimsta10]

Rd 9 v Melbourne (only game this year)

4 kick, 2 handballs, 2 tackles, One goal and One calf injury

One calf injury could be an actual stat with this bloke.

But seriously, 2-3 games now in the 2s...need someone to lay a good tackle on their no4. Could be useful if he's ready.

 

[Arr0w]

You snuck Martin in without another out.

How did you do that…

Magic

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Any risk of using Saads offensive skills once, just once, this week?

I have been saying or suggesting that he could add a point of difference in our midfield…..

Dogs moved Ed Richard’s into their midfield from defense which has given them more potency.

 

[Soapy V]

One calf injury could be an actual stat with this bloke.

But seriously, 2-3 games now in the 2s...need someone to lay a good tackle on their no4. Could be useful if he's ready.

A fit Martin makes us a lot better. No doubt.

Issue is now he struggles to get through games now even at VFL level. He isn't injured at the moment (hasn't been for over a month) but we are building him up as slow as we can. Hasn't even played a full VFL game

Now he didn't play last weekend at all (VFL bye). It's something like 12 weeks since he has played close to a full game. Really hasn't played much all year.

Based on this I'd be surprised if he plays this weekend

 

[prisoner777]

IMO, the injuries are not the issue (we had a similar number for an extended period earlier this season). We have lost the "desire to contest possession" and hence our "system". These are what propelled us to a PF in the last part of 2023 and to the top 2/4 in 2024.

 

[Arr0w]

Our doomsday supporters...lol If you said take out TDK & Harry Acres Williams & cunners who play 5 mins along with a terrible run with injuries " all year " & still forth with really patchy form. I agree we lack big key position CHB to help Weiters out but there's still so much Quality out there & now is time to risk Martin now as we need that 3rd marking tall who competes & plays hard. Hoping to see Mckay, Acres, Martin & Boyd back this week & please someone pay attention to a Bloke named Pendlebury that towels us up every time. I'm backing Walsh & Chez to have big games. C'mon baggers let knock these bastards off !!!!!!

Spot on, people take a lean patch and now, they are back to questioning the capabilities of assistants of all things

It's not as if we have been spanked of late and adding some better players will go a long way

We do need to work on a couple of areas, but they aren't massive tweaks

 

[GoBlues!]

Magic

I want a refund magic man...you’re not dropping Cowan surely.

 

[Stamos]

I think its the mindset. Like I've been saying, we've been talking about squad mentality, perform your role... we had players doing that then made some really bad decisions at selection that went against that message.

From there, the mindset has shifted. Players lost trust in the squad mentality, perform your role... now players feel like they really need to stand out to remain in. Hence the more selfish play that we're seeing. Then to compound that, the players brought in are out of form and haven't regained it in a month. Just my opinion.

Got ahead of ourselves against the Giants.
Went away from basics, started 20 seconds before quarter time. Tried to play cute. Went away from high pressure.
It was compounded by team selection.

 

[Arr0w]

I want a refund magic man...you’re not dropping Cowan surely.

Oops, missed him, stays in the side

 

[Blue1980]

Big H and Blacres in at minimum and we already look a lot better structurally. Just win it Baggers.

If we lose this, we don't deserve to make it. That hunger, pressure and form is there somewhere, our best is good enough to beat anyone. Please find a way to turn it around Blues.

Acres out on top of Harry killed us. Acres is tall and tough, can take contested marks and drift forward for a goal.

Plus he gets his 25 touches a game.

 

[blues4flag]

I think its the mindset. Like I've been saying, we've been talking about squad mentality, perform your role... we had players doing that then made some really bad decisions at selection that went against that message.

From there, the mindset has shifted. Players lost trust in the squad mentality, perform your role... now players feel like they really need to stand out to remain in. Hence the more selfish play that we're seeing. Then to compound that, the players brought in are out of form and haven't regained it in a month. Just my opinion.

Perhaps. I wasn't a fan of Owies being made sub against the Giants (he only kicked the one goal because he was selfless and passed to Fantasia on a couple of occasions), nor Hewett being subbed then dropped for Cerra. Owies was particularly upsetting as he was within his right to take a shot from 40m but decided to bring Fantasia into the game. It might have been a scheduled rotation as subtitute but doubtful.

 

[passmark]

I have been saying or suggesting that he could add a point of difference in our midfield…..

Dogs moved Ed Richard’s into their midfield from defense which has given them more potency.

At least there’s a chance he, unlike Walsh, could evade or break a tackle.

 

[Soapy V]

Got ahead of ourselves against the Giants.
Went away from basics, started 20 seconds before quarter time. Tried to play cute. Went away from high pressure.

Is this becoming a bad habit?

A few games have seemed like this. Last weekend a prime example

 

[blues4flag]

Acres out on top of Harry killed us. Acres is tall and tough, can take contested marks and drift forward for a goal.

Plus he gets his 25 touches a game.

He's also our designated big-body defensive side of stoppages. He can get the ball going our way and also hold up the opposition if they come out the front of the stoppage. Massive out for us.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Perhaps. I wasn't a fan of Owies being made sub against the Giants (he only kicked the one goal because he was selfless and passed to Fantasia on a couple of occasions), nor Hewett being subbed then dropped for Cerra. Owies was particularly upsetting as he was within his right to take a shot from 40m but decided to bring Fantasia into the game. It might have been a scheduled rotation as subtitute but doubtful.

Yep. There were many puzzling decisions made...

 

[Blue1980]

Giants and Dogs were not in great form, when we played them.

We might have played them into form, as the "perceived scalp" to them as #2 on the ladder....thats a more accurate statement

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Dogs look as good as anyone right now after they beat us, and Giants look good again too.

Not sure if this means Port will smash the swans too.

 

[Blue1980]

If we can't get up for this game, to bury the Pies season and find something again ourselves, I think it's just about season over.

Never has a game against Collingwood felt more important than this one in the last decade.

I want to forget r23 2022 as well