Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[Mutineer]

Don't be ridiculous. This is an incredibly common view.

Grundy's ability to get around the ground, be a connector and act like an extra midfielder had always been his great strength, not hit outs.

Here's Steele Side bottom saying exactly this, and there's dozens of other times it's been said.

‘Like an extra mid’: What sets Collingwood ruckman Brodie Grundy apart

‘Like an extra mid’: What sets Magpie apart

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The only one being ridiculous here is you, and worse still you're doubling down on it now.

Brodie Grundy | AFL

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Experienced ruckman Brodie Grundy joined the red and white after selection in the 2023 AFL Draft Trade Period. The two-time All Australian arrives having played 194 games across Collingwood and Melbourne and after debuting for Magpies in 2013 has gone on to feature in four finals campaigns, including the 2018 Grand Final. The 29-year-old, who cites Dean Cox as his football icon, will bolster a young side of ruckman in Lachlan McAndrew and Will Green.

 

[Slime Roy]

I think you may be reading that wrong.
ROBs inability to palm the ball to his team mates, or do anything unpredictable to the opposition (or predictable to him team mates) is squarely the problem.

Not the other way around.

Crouchy & Lairdy seem to get on the end of a few

 

[spenze]

The only one being ridiculous here is you, and worse still you're doubling down on it now.

Brodie Grundy | AFL

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Experienced ruckman Brodie Grundy joined the red and white after selection in the 2023 AFL Draft Trade Period. The two-time All Australian arrives having played 194 games across Collingwood and Melbourne and after debuting for Magpies in 2013 has gone on to feature in four finals campaigns, including the 2018 Grand Final. The 29-year-old, who cites Dean Cox as his football icon, will bolster a young side of ruckman in Lachlan McAndrew and Will Green.

Sometimes they even run him off half back when they are looking for some run and carry out of the backline...

 

[1990crow]

... except that the stats indicate your argument is completely inaccurate.

ROB's ruck work is not elite, but his figures stack up nicely against all but the very elite rucks. It's his around-the-ground play which is really worrying.

The watching the sport part tells you you're off the mark.

 

[Mostyn]

ROB is pretty much the only development ruck we've had on our list for the last decade. We poached Jacobs from Carlton, who did the development work. It's the Sam Jacobs of the world who won't be available if everyone decides to act like leeches - the way Adelaide does.

If everyone else starts doing the same thing as us, then obviously it was the right thing to do ...

 

[Mostyn]

What we've done works while we're the only ones doing it. If every other club follows our lead, we're completely ****ed.

Fortunately for us, some clubs are still happy to act as ruck talent farms. However, the number of rucks being drafted seems to be shrinking, so maybe our days of leeching will come to an enforced end (due to a lack of leechable talent) in the not too distant future.

LOL - "leeching". Christ, you're carrying on like a pork chop.

Oh my god, we're completely ****ed if this thing that hasn't happened occurs, a thing that you would have YEARS to see coming.

Stop worrying about non-existent problems.

 

[Mostyn]

The only one being ridiculous here is you, and worse still you're doubling down on it now.

Brodie Grundy | AFL

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Experienced ruckman Brodie Grundy joined the red and white after selection in the 2023 AFL Draft Trade Period. The two-time All Australian arrives having played 194 games across Collingwood and Melbourne and after debuting for Magpies in 2013 has gone on to feature in four finals campaigns, including the 2018 Grand Final. The 29-year-old, who cites Dean Cox as his football icon, will bolster a young side of ruckman in Lachlan McAndrew and Will Green.

Dean Cox - the other great ruckman who was able to function like another midfielder!!

You are amazingly and completely wrong.

The reason Grundy has been so successful during his great years was the work he was able to do around the geound. He's not a lump of a lad, trying to win a few hit outs - he's an accumulator, an athlete who can function as another midfielder, taking marks and connecting plays.

He's exactly the kind of ruckman you want - one who can ACTUALLY prove his worth as a member of the team through what he does around the ground.

Search it and there's literally pages of articles where people talk about Grundy succeeding because of what he can do as an extra midfielder. This is incredibly common.

"Roaming around the SCG like an extra midfielder, Grundy even made sure to drop a sneaky knee into Gawn’s back in the fourth quarter."

https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/affiliates/kayo/brodie-grundy-makes-personal-statement-against-max-gawn-in-impressive-afl-season-opener/news-story/1ecd98e346841f058dec6f846ff9c657?amp=&nk=08caa93ec82c5908b5ffaf09352bca49-1734084838

 

[Mutineer]

He's exactly the kind of ruckman you want - one who can ACTUALLY prove his worth as a member of the team through what he does around the ground.

He's a ruckman end of story.

You're the one that's amazingly and completely wrong.

Swans own bio there has him averaging 32 hit outs.................He IS NOT a midfielder as you stated initially and no matter how far you move the goalposts he is a ruckman first and foremost...a very good one when in form.

 

[Mostyn]

He's a ruckman end of story.

You're the one that's amazingly and completely wrong.

Swans own bio there has him averaging 32 hit outs.................He IS NOT a midfielder as you stated initially and no matter how far you move the goalposts he is a ruckman first and foremost...a very good one when in form.

Oh, don't be ridiculous.

Someone would have to have failed any kind of reading comprehension to think I was saying Grundy played in the midfield INSTEAD of being a ruckman.

Obviously, I was saying the thing that made him special WASN'T ruck craft. It was what he does around the ground, that he can add to the midfield.

Hitouts are the smallest part of what made him effective - it was everything he did on top of that as a part of Collingwood's midfield.

Everyone knows that about Grundy, and you're just looking for an argument trying to pretend anything else.

 

[spenze]

Never known such a ridiculous triple down as a man using a "he's like an extra midfielder" call to justify a bad call.

Rob isn't the template of a ruckman, they do not need to be unco guys who can't kick or mark, they can do things you'd expect of a footballer, like hit a target, or mark a ball.

 

[Mutineer]

Grundy is a midfielder,

Your own words FFS

 

[AFC979810]

I think an average to good ruckman is not that important however, an excellent ruckman changes the whole team.

Think its deeper than that.

If all things are equal (capital to acquire the player / salary) then of course its better to have a good ruckman.

But there is just no evidence to support investing into the ruck position.

The long term issue is with a high quality ruckman is that you have to pay em. Its what makes Grundy so valuable for Sydney (because Collingwood/Melb are paying all his salary).

Last year in the list of the top 100 paid players in the AFL - 5 of em were ruckman. Those 5 ruckman combined for zero finals wins - thats not a coincidence.

Looking at the premiership teams from the past 10-15 years - the vast majority have not invested heavily into Ruck stocks.

 

[AFC979810]

LOL LOL

Grundy a midfielder?
Now you've completely lost the plot.?

Thats the one thing you pulled out of that paragraph? Its semantics and a cheap argument.

Its clear to all that the value of Grundy isn't his ruck craft - its his ability to act as an extra midfielder. Mostyn has been clear about this.

 

[AFC979810]

What we've done works while we're the only ones doing it. If every other club follows our lead, we're completely ****ed.

Fortunately for us, some clubs are still happy to act as ruck talent farms. However, the number of rucks being drafted seems to be shrinking, so maybe our days of leeching will come to an enforced end (due to a lack of leechable talent) in the not too distant future.

I fail to see the problem? We are taking advantage of a situation that benefits us?

We shouldn't do that in case other teams catch up and a long time down the road our worst case scenario is being on a level playing field?

ROB is pretty much the only development ruck we've had on our list for the last decade. We poached Jacobs from Carlton, who did the development work. It's the Sam Jacobs of the world who won't be available if everyone decides to act like leeches - the way Adelaide does.

Apart from Paul Hunter and Strachan.

I think its a little dramatic with regards to ruckman. Teams will always have 3-4 ruckman on the list and considering teams can really only play 1 - there will always be opportunities to poach from other teams.

 

[Mostyn]

Your own words FFS

Yes, that's what made him special.

FFS, no one with any common sense could think I was saying he was a midfielder INSTEAD of being a ruckman. I was obviously saying the fact that he could be an extra midfielder around the ground is the thing that made him special, not his hitouts and ruck craft.

 

[jenny61_99]

119. End thread.

 

[BucketsNj]

I'm really looking forward to another three months of arguments about our ruck situation. Roll on next season.

 

[Mutineer]

Yes, that's what made him special.

FFS, no one with any common sense could think I was saying he was a midfielder INSTEAD of being a ruckman. I was obviously saying the fact that he could be an extra midfielder around the ground is the thing that made him special, not his hitouts and ruck craft.

Hilarious..

 

[Mutineer]

I'm really looking forward to another three months of arguments about our ruck situation. Roll on next season.

Hey rucks don't exist anymore those big tall blokes that contest the tap at ball ups and boundary throw ins are midfielders don't ya know.

 

[Freshj]

Hey rucks don't exist anymore those big tall blokes that contest the tap at ball ups and boundary throw ins are midfielders doni ya know.

I don't know if you guys just like arguing, but it's pretty obvious what he's saying. Grundy is such a highly rated ruckman because he has the added element of being effective around the ground, not some lumbering big who can only tap the ball down at a ruck contest.

It's such a common thing to say "once the ball hits the ground, it's like having another midfielder out there."

This is clearly whats being said and it's pretty ridiculous that there's been so much back and forth. There's no winners in the conversations...only losers who have to plough through it all.

 

[FR0GGY]

I'm really looking forward to another three months of arguments about our ruck situation. Roll on next season.

All you ever do is whinge about what people post about.

 

[Vader]

I fail to see the problem? We are taking advantage of a situation that benefits us?

We shouldn't do that in case other teams catch up and a long time down the road our worst case scenario is being on a level playing field?

As I said, it works while we're the only club leeching. If everyone turns into leeches, that leaves nobody to leech off, and all the leeches die.

Apart from Paul Hunter and Strachan.

I think its a little dramatic with regards to ruckman. Teams will always have 3-4 ruckman on the list and considering teams can really only play 1 - there will always be opportunities to poach from other teams.

Strachan was never a development ruck - he was our "cheap as chips, SANFL based, ready-to-go-if-needed" ruck, following hard in the footsteps of Angus Graham & Luke Lowden.

"There will always be opportunities to poach from other teams" is an assumption, predicated on other teams continuing to draft & develop them, and not doing what Adelaide does (refusing to draft/develop them, choosing only to poach from other clubs).

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Oh, don't be ridiculous.

Someone would have to have failed any kind of reading comprehension to think I was saying Grundy played in the midfield INSTEAD of being a ruckman.

Obviously, I was saying the thing that made him special WASN'T ruck craft. It was what he does around the ground, that he can add to the midfield.

Hitouts are the smallest part of what made him effective - it was everything he did on top of that as a part of Collingwood's midfield.

Everyone knows that about Grundy, and you're just looking for an argument trying to pretend anything else.

But it's such a pointless distinction

So he's a ruckman with skills, that allows him to do things other than just tap the ball

How about we get one of those?

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I'm really looking forward to another three months of arguments about our ruck situation. Roll on next season.

People will stop talking about it when it stops being a problem.

 

[spenze]

But it's such a pointless distinction

So he's a ruckman with skills, that allows him to do things other than just tap the ball

How about we get one of those?

They don't win premierships