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Yeah I'm sure Burgess would love him moving in with the family...Darren Burgess!
Good luck breaking him Clarry!
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Yeah I'm sure Burgess would love him moving in with the family...Darren Burgess!
Good luck breaking him Clarry!
I'm all for Oliver. You only have so many years of Dawson, Fogarty and Rankine at peak and you have to make the most of them.
Especially as this decline has more than a whiff of this being self inflicted by Melbourne.
It’s not just this thread… and you aren’t helping!I agree; it's been flooding the comments section lately. It's like these guys haven't had a good rumour in a long, long time.
I suppose though, when the time comes and we miss out, the box of tissues will be close by still to dry those tears
Ok, more recent.That you're having to reach back over 25 years to a mid who went forward in his later years...that is pretty instructive.
Jars may have put away a few beers and pies but he didn't have the same destructive habits Oliver does.
I like Kanes idea for a rare time. Get Dee’s first AND a heavily subsidised contract.No way we’re paying a first and taking Oliver’s contract. It’s one or the other and I’d suggest we take his contract but he’s either free or we get a pick with him.
I agree, but I get the feeling the club is out to get a big fish regardless of the cost so we can beat our chest.Not for me, think he’s almost done. The trajectory is not good. Also we have too many holes in our team. If we were closer, maybe take the risk but we aren’t. Let the demons pay him and keep him
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2 separate circles for meWhat does the Venn Diagram look like with...
Posters who don't think we should touch Oliver vs Posters who thought the club should get rid of Stengle?
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Im not sure this is entirely trueI agree, but I get the feeling the club is out to get a big fish regardless of the cost so we can beat our chest.
2027 30 year Premiership tiltGetting Oliver AND getting him back to his best would open our premiership window early
List profile next year:
Core of the side
Dawson - 27 years old
Rankine - 24
Fogarty - 25
Oliver - 28
Experienced role players
Keays - 28
O'Brien - 29
Hinge - 26
Butts - 25
Walker - 34
Laird - 31
Emerging Players
Rachele - entering 4th season
Soligo - 4th
Thilthorpe - 5th
Murray - 5th
Worrell - 6th
Michalanney - 3rd
Taylor - 4th
Pedlar - 5th
Nankervis - 4th
Cook - 5th
First Round Draft Picks
Curtin
Ryan
Edwards
2024 1st
A midfield in their prime, a range of experienced role players, and a great group of emerging players is finals material immediately and should be pushing for top 4
You've totally missed the point - would I take a 31 yr old Neale or 29 yr old Cripps? Absolutely. But both of those guys are still performing at A grade levels and importantly have looked after their bodies properly over the journey. Oliver is not playing at A grade level and has not been kind to himself with his lifestyle. Will he get back to his best? Maybe but probably not. There's a better chance he completely falls off a cliff and isn't playing at all when he's only half way through that contract.Ok, more recent.
Isaac Smith was 32. Zach Tuohy was 27.
Brodie Grundy was 29. Taylor Adams 30.
Jeremy Cameron was 27 when Geelong got him, turned 28 in April of his first season with them. Eddie Betts was 27 when we got him.
Age alone isn't a write off. As with some of those above, age + contract will make him a cheaper option in terms of trade capital.
We certainly need the input of people who have mpre experience in the impact Oliver's situation will have had on his body longterm. It's not the same as having done a knee.On face value his personal issues seem deeper and doubt a change in lifestyle would help him return to the player of previous years.
I know Adelaide need midfielders, but I would not head down this path.
I don't think Melbourne would realistically be expecting a first round pick.2 years is a long time in football. I'd prefer we go for players who are great footballers, not use to be. We absolutely should not be spending 1st round picks on any 28 year olds who's form has 'dipped'. If we have to take on some financial risk, then ok but not spending premium picks on a 'hope so'.
What you're not considering is why his form has dipped.
Has Petty re-signed?Personally after seeing Ainsworth resign, Petty resign - it feels more like the draft and trade media need to spice up a story. We are down to 4-5 players of interest that may change clubs so adding an Oliver story in fills some airtime for them
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Sheesh, that feel very high stakes.Clayton Oliver's success at our club would be tied directly to Nicks. Their failure or success would go hand in hand. Either
A) Nicks has truly transformed the culture of our club, and this strong culture would allow us to support Oliver and transform him into a better player and person
Or
B) Nicks having improved our culture is a lie, we actually don't have the culture or supports to bring in Oliver and he will fail miserably here. In which case the only benefit that Nicks has brought to the club is also a lie.
YesHas Petty re-signed?
Bryce Gibbs......You've totally missed the point - would I take a 31 yr old Neale or 29 yr old Cripps? Absolutely. But both of those guys are still performing at A grade levels and importantly have looked after their bodies properly over the journey. Oliver is not playing at A grade level and has not been kind to himself with his lifestyle. Will he get back to his best? Maybe but probably not. There's a better chance he completely falls off a cliff and isn't playing at all when he's only half way through that contract.
Your back! Any other rumours?Come on down Clarry, was done a few months ago. Won't be paying full salary, don't know picks involved.