Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation (Rumours total 25, last 28th August)

[119others]

Any trigger would include total games played . Its why he didnt have to play 18-23 this year

His previous 3 years he played 64 games . Yes Im guessing but I reckon Im close. But I guess 75 games over 4 years was his mark.

This allows for any injuries to bite into an 88 game margin while protecting the club if he gets a long term injury

He played 15 this year to take him to 79. 75 has to be the mark because he didnt reach 80 and 75 seems like a fairly fair number

Reasonable guess I think and you may well be right - but could have also been 70 games just as easily which still equates to 17.5 per year (just under 80% of available games)

We just don’t know the facts but to leave such a player - long term stalwart type player who is a “cultural fabric” guy, played just under 250 games and AA and played at a high level for a decade - stranded a game or 2 short of a trigger would be very poor don’t you agree? Both ethically and perhaps even legally (breaching some possible term of a contract - I don’t know but guessing here). His Manager certainly would have kicked up a massive fuss and media would have been all over it.

Crows have had lots of negative PR in recent years - camp, Tippett, lots of shit - I am glad we didn’t leave someone like Smith a game or 2 below his trigger just because we could have. There would undoubtedly be further player cultural issues when you start doing that and Smithers has always been up there as the most popular guy in the team from my understanding (taking the weekly interviews on afc.com.au, lots of social functions at his and parents house etc).

Things aren’t always as black and white as many make out.

 

[GreyCrow]

Reasonable guess I think and you may well be right - but could have also been 70 games just as easily which still equates to 17.5 per year (just under 80% of available games)

We just don’t know the facts but to leave such a player - long term stalwart type player who is a “cultural fabric” guy, played just under 250 games and AA and played at a high level for a decade - stranded a game or 2 short of a trigger would be very poor don’t you agree? Both ethically and perhaps even legally (breaching some possible term of a contract - I don’t know but guessing here). His Manager certainly would have kicked up a massive fuss and media would have been all over it.

Crows have had lots of negative PR in recent years - camp, Tippett, lots of shit - I am glad we didn’t leave someone like Smith a game or 2 below his trigger just because we could have. There would undoubtedly be further player cultural issues when you start doing that and Smithers has always been up there as the most popular guy in the team from my understanding (taking the weekly interviews on afc.com.au, lots of social functions at his and parents house etc).

Things aren’t always as black and white as many make out.

We did it with Hartigan Henderson

 

[Floating Doughnut]

So 75 games over the length of his contract? Or 74?

Wtf, why are you asking me .

Ring him shall I ?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Why do you think that?

Adelaide would be as good as any other option for a player not considered best 22 at their present club.

Obviously knows Izak well so there's that as well because you can bet if we have interest Izak will be involved.

Think he’ll go to a club with less competition for forward line spots

Also can’t see us bringing in all of Cumming/ANB/Luko/Rosas, as well as draftees. Maybe if Luko goes to another club?

 

[GreyCrow]

Wtf

Ring him shall I ?

Sure if youre gonna be a dick. Tell him he is also a dick

 

[SugarShane]

We did it with Hartigan

Henderson? Ricky was in career best form and we just stopped playing him. Then he went to Hawthorn and continued to have a couple more blinder years (for him).

 

[GreyCrow]

Henderson? Ricky was in career best form and we just stopped playing him. Then he went to Hawthorn and continued to have a couple more blinder years (for him).

Yep sorry Henderson it was

 

[Bayno82]

I see Parfitt doesn't have a contract offer from Geelong and is a FA. Would we consider as a big bodied mid

 

[skam85]

I see Parfitt doesn't have a contract offer from Geelong and is a FA. Would we consider as a big bodied mid

nah

 

[Vader]

was removed around the time of viney wasnt it?

he left here to allow his kid to qualify for melbourne and not us right?

I'm pretty sure it was long gone by then.

 

[119others]

We did it with Hartigan Henderson

Sure I remember, but I tried to emphasise the importance of Smih culturally and playing wise for OVER a decade. It’s clearly a very different sort of player on many levels inc formal leadership posn.

So re my question…would you be ok leaving him a game or 2 short of the trigger just because we could?

 

[GreyCrow]

Sure I remember, but I tried to emphasise the importance of Smih culturally and playing wise for OVER a decade. It’s clearly a very different sort of player on many levels inc formal leadership posn.

So re my question…would you be ok leaving him a game or 2 short of the trigger just because we could?

Yes

 

[119others]

Yes

Ok fair enough and thanks for the honesty. We just have different values in this regard then.

 

[Apsaalooke]

if that is true then it is just crazy stuff

I heard Graham say it on radio some time ago.He wasn't happy.

 

[GreyCrow]

Fine I'll expand on it

I have no problems with triggers but they work both ways. An astute group of people like lets say a football oriented fan board would have noticed the decline this year and extrapolated this into next year and shuddered

Oh wait we did

With inside info ie injuries or family pressures etc may have swung the needle a little but ultimately a decision has to be made and on the balance - as a club - I would advocate we didnt play him to his trigger

Now that also doesnt mean we dont offer a fresh contract - it just means we set the price on a new contract

 

[jenny61_99]

Fine I'll expand on it

I have no problems with triggers but they work both ways. An astute group of people like lets say a football oriented fan board would have noticed the decline this year and extrapolated this into next year and shuddered

Oh wait we did

With inside info ie injuries or family pressures etc may have swung the needle a little but ultimately a decision has to be made and on the balance - as a club - I would advocate we didnt play him to his trigger

Now that also doesnt mean we dont offer a fresh contract - it just means we set the price on a new contract

Do we know what the trigger entails though? I'm assuming it's not an extension at the same amount of $$$.

 

[Apsaalooke]

Do we know what the trigger entails though? I'm assuming it's not an extension at the same amount of $$$.

I doubt they're all the same, probably depends on the wording in his contract.

But why are there triggers at all? You're either good enough to be re-contracted or you're not.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Come on Jen we dropped him for the last half of the year.
He’s supposedly hit the trigger by 2 games!

I guess we were happy to have him on board in 2025 even as a senior leader/reserves player so we weren't fussed about the trigger

 

[JimmyTheScoop]

Can I ask why people are excited about Rosas (from 7 games 2024)

Am I missing something?

 

[spenze]

I'm not criticising the club, I'm saying that posters who said they'd be happy to give up pick 4 (or more) for Pickett are crazy.

The club avoiding chances to take midfielders with high picks is well documented though

Even when we do get a high draft pick midfielder we impulse straight away to put him into defense

 

[1990crow]

Can I ask why people are excited about Rosas (from 7 games 2024)

Am I missing something?

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Yeah I don't think he will be coming here.

 

[Stripple]

Sure I remember, but I tried to emphasise the importance of Smih culturally and playing wise for OVER a decade. It’s clearly a very different sort of player on many levels inc formal leadership posn.

So re my question…would you be ok leaving him a game or 2 short of the trigger just because we could?

Based on form yes - was clearly out of form early on (apologising to the group, playing on the bad back etc.) And should have been dropped sooner. Also shouldn't have been recalled when Cook was out.

Gifting him games just so he can hit a trigger is silly - especially cause there is nothing saying we couldn't negotiate a new contract with him based on his form etc.

And I'm a big fan of Smith's - but we held out hope he would return to top form too long this year.

 

[GreyCrow]

Do we know what the trigger entails though? I'm assuming it's not an extension at the same amount of $$$.

If you reach your KPIs are you expecting a reduction in wages?

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Sure if youre gonna be a dick. Tell him he is also a dick

Reckon you hav messed up what was said by whom in two conversations.

Champ

 

[hugecannon]

I'm pretty sure it was long gone by

If I remember correctly, I think Rendell had a plan to use the Bock compensation pick to get Viney in the mini draft, but the pick wasn’t as good as he’d anticipated and Viney only ever wanted to play for the Dees.