Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 2

[Scorpus]

Spoiler: Older Rumors

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Rumors from September 30

• FiveAA claims we are after Scott Borlace, current Head of Development at Brisbane (link)
• Claims of Rory Sloane
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  Rory Sloane

  Age

  34

  Ht

  183cm

  Wt

  87kg

  Pos.

  Mid

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  23.7

  5star

  K

  11.7

  4star

  HB

  11.9

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  M

  3.5

  4star

  T

  6.6

  5star

  CL

  5.7

  5star

  D

  15.3

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  K

  7.3

  3star

  HB

  8.0

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  M

  1.3

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  T

  3.3

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  CL

  4.2

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  D

  22.2

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  K

  8.6

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  HB

  13.6

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  M

  3.2

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  T

  6.0

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  CL

  4.6

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  heading to Melbourne Demons as a development coach, but maybe not before asking for a job at the Crows first?
• Inside Trading suggests we are interested in Gold Coast's pick 12 (link)
• Inside Trading also suggests Clayton Oliver
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  Clayton Oliver

  Age

  27

  Ht

  189cm

  Wt

  88kg

  Pos.

  Mid

  Career

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  D

  27.8

  5star

  K

  9.5

  4star

  HB

  18.4

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  M

  3.2

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  T

  6.3

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  CL

  6.3

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  D

  25.1

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  K

  11.1

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  HB

  14.0

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  M

  3.6

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  T

  5.6

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  CL

  5.9

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  D

  19.2

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  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  14.6

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  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  4.4

  5star

  CL

  3.8

  5star

  is possibly back on the trade table, but doesn't link him to any specific clubs

Rumors from October 1

• We have offered Darcy Fogarty
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  Darcy Fogarty

  Age

  25

  Ht

  194cm

  Wt

  100kg

  Pos.

  Fwd

  Career

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  Last 5

  D

  8.5

  2star

  K

  5.7

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  2.8

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  M

  3.7

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  T

  1.7

  4star

  G

  1.2

  4star

  D

  6.3

  1star

  K

  4.0

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  HB

  2.3

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  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.3

  3star

  G

  1.0

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  D

  8.0

  2star

  K

  5.4

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  HB

  2.6

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  M

  3.4

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  T

  2.6

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  G

  1.0

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  a five year contract extension early ahead of free agency (link)
• We are attempting to lure Graham Wright to our football department (link)

Rumors from October 2-3

• Graham Wright, who we are chasing as a head of football, is also being chased by Carlton for a CEO position (link)

Rumors from October 4-5

• Gettable claiming pick 25 for Neal-Bullen and a future 2nd for Peatling (link)

Rumors from October 6

• Tom Morris claims we are open to splitting pick 4 (link)

Rumor summary October 8

• Jon Ralph claims we are not prepared to use a future 2nd on Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 9

• Graham Wright will not join Adelaide, instead taking up the Carlton CEO role (link)
• Tom Morris claims the Peatling trade will involve future 2nd and 3rd round picks, and we have offered him a four year deal at about $600k per season (link)
• Riley Beveridge claims we asked GWS if they were interested in one of our players in the Peatling trade (link)

Rumor summary October 10

• Collingwood are interested in Justin Reid as their new head of football (link)
• GWS want our future 2nd and pick 46 for Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 11

• Poster claims we are attempting to lure Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, maybe in 2025 (link)
• Tom Morris claims we will do the Peatling deal for pick 46 and a future 2nd provided there are other late pick swaps (link)

Rumor summary October 13

• Tom Morris suggests we have offered a trade involving a swap of future 2nds for Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 15

• After West Coast got absolutely rogered, Cal Twomey claims we have offered either two future 3rds for Peatling, or a swap of 2nds and a future 3rd (link)
• We have interest in Sam Davidson from Richmond VFL (link)
• Mitch Cleary claims some GWS players are facing suspensions from the AFL due to behaviour at an end of season event (link)
• Brett Montgomery is staying at GWS, meaning we were unsuccessful at luring him (link)

Rumor summary October 16

• Stalemate on the Peatling trade as of 4pm, with us threatening to send him to the PSD (link)

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Essendons the sort of club that needs a boss who creates divisions. Brad Scott is doing the same now.

At least there's a Club now, which is unified behind its Coach

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Not sure I am that excited by Rutten but any change is good.

Also not sure why he would take on the role, we couldn't offer him anymore than two years and he would know that Nicks is every chance to only last 12 months. I would of thought there would be more job security in Victoria.

Depending on what you want out of the role I'd go for someone like Jade Rawlings in a Senior Assitant role.

He has coached an AFL team all be in an interim capacity and can clearly coach himself. As far as I know none of Hombsch, Burns or Van Berlo have coached their own team.

Jade has failed at a couple of assistant jobs already

 

[LoBu]

I can guarantee you ....Rutten will never get an AFL senior coaching gig ....and there were big divisions around his last appt

I wouldn't have thought so either, most coaches only get one shot.

 

[dylan123]

13 games in the last 4 years ....has never stuck 4 consecutive games together B4 getting injured

But he's made a lot of money NOT playing AFL

I recall a few gaps in 2022 being due to suspension more so than injury.

Last time i recall seeing it was a hamstring injury but I feel he'd be a beast for someone if they managed to get his body right. Would add more over Strachan imo.

 

[CutAboveTheRest]

How good are his sources within Melbourne FC?

Generally speaking Twoomey is more right than wrong on most things

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I recall a few gaps in 2022 being due to suspension more so than injury.

Last time i recall seeing it was a hamstring injury but I feel he'd be a beast for someone if they managed to get his body right. Would add more over Strachan imo.

Being an ex Rugby player ...Preuss has a tendency to be over zealous

 

[dylan123]

Being an ex Rugby player ...Preuss has a tendency to be over zealous

Love it in a ruck, makes the opposition second guess what they're doing a bit around him.

 

[Carmo]

At least there's a Club now, which is unified behind its Coach

Whose club is dropping back down the ladder? Dunno if I'd be using Essendon as a reference point for good decision making, in fact it would be the polar opposite for me. If Rutten's considered shit inside the four walls there, get him in as fast as we can is all I can say.

 

[Crow till I die]

Generally speaking Twoomey is more right than wrong on most things

If Luko goes public ans says its us and our F1 is part of the deal, we have to work 25 in there as well and do a package deal with a good pick back and get the deal done first. Melbourne can then take what scraps we have left

 

[Redline]

Jade has failed at a couple of assistant jobs already

It depends if you want someone for the game day strategy or more a coaching coordinator. Ideally both but no many candidates around.

Anyway, that's what I'd do based on what I've observed but get he is behind people like Rutten. I wasn't expecting much support.

 

[Carmo]

Anyone saying pick 25 is def what's gonna go on for ANB, prior to any free agency picks becoming available is mad. Free agency picks plus picks acquired during trades plus pick trading all come on to the menu before we have to get this guy, its nonsense to think the clubs are definitively talking over an existing pick we have.

That said, I don't doubt they've given us an asking ball park and 25ish maybe it but we've heard nothing about any picks we might get back etc, so its a good he said she said clickbait story for the bedwetter reacters at the moment.

 

[Mostyn]

Our F1 is not worth pick 5.

First, it’s next year. A player picked this year can develop next year and even play next year. Unless it is immediately traded, a future pick is literally worth nothing for a year. Would you rather have $1000 now or $1000 in a year?

Second, the pick is unknown. The range is pick 1 to pick 22 or so (after academy and father sons). There’s a signuficant risk to the buyer they’ll get worse than pick 5.

So, it’s silly to say F1 = pick 5. It might end up being pick 5, but it’s worth much less.

Someone should pin this post for commonsense. Well said.

 

[Mostyn]

Where do you realistically see us finishing based on this year and current coach.

Between 7th and 12th. Same as I thought this year.

 

[Mostyn]

You have Hawks and maybe Carlton missing the 8. Have you not watched the Hawks this season. They should be closer to top 4 than out of the 8.

I agree with him - I think the Hawks will take a step back next year as sides catch back up with how to stop them.

 

[PeterSalt]

Amazing isn't it .....the board constantly blows up on nepotism for ex Crows players ....yet here we are advocating Rutten come back to the Crows as an assistant Coach

Why? .....give me a reason ....because all I can see is hypocrisy

I think most folk have no problem with bringing ex-players back in if they've spent a reasonable amount of time in a good club environment and have proven coaching talent

 

[Mostyn]

Can live with Burns replacing NVB but I’ll be disappointed if he’s pushing Hombsch out. Would prefer we move on from him entirely.

We were short a coach anyway.

Burns was both senior assistant and a line coach last season.

 

[beartoo]

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[Mostyn]

How good are his sources within Melbourne FC?

Who knows, but the question probably isn't "what does Melbourne want"?

I'm sure they want 25 for ANB.

 

[Mostyn]

Have you actually looked at Twomey's history of calls on us?

Yes, I just completed a funded government study.

You can insult the club for many things, but leaking info over the last few years has not been one of them.

 

[PeterSalt]

He always thought you were Jenny

lol .. except Kristof doxxed himself, so I think you might be telling porkies

 

[Mostyn]

I can tell you, the animosity towards Rutten at ESS was palpable .....hasn't the commanding personality

He's a very average assistant Coach

His record there is looking a lot better with time.

 

[Mostyn]

Amazing isn't it .....the board constantly blows up on nepotism for ex Crows players ....yet here we are advocating Rutten come back to the Crows as an assistant Coach

Why? .....give me a reason ....because all I can see is hypocrisy

Done an excellent job at Richmond and very highly rated there.

 

[WeeBlake]

His record there is looking a lot better with time.

I think Kornes is right when he says ex-senior coaches get put in the bin too easily in AFL. Rutten is likely to have more to offer us right now than, for example, VB or Burns.

Leppitsch, Ratten, Bolton and Voss all appear to have been pretty useful in their post senior coaching careeers.

 

[Mostyn]

Variation may be

F1 + 25 for Luko and 13.

Then you may get one of the best mids sliding to that pick meaning we get 2 of them in this draft!!

Edit> The other thing a deal like that does is scupper any chance Melbourne have of getting our pick 25 for ANB

Which is a FANTASTIC benefit.

42 and F3 should be fine for ANB.

 

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Has anyone that goes on with that jobs for the boys checked out Geelong's coaching staff and list manager.
Coaching staff
Chris Scott - Brisbane AFL
James Kelly - Geelong AFL
Stephen King - Geelong AFL
James Rahilly - Geelong AFL
Mark Corrigan - Geelong VFL
Brad Ottens - Geelong AFL
Nigel Lappin - Brisbane AFL

List Manager
Andrew Mackie - Geelong AFL

There's a very pertinent issue though.

That list of coaches has been involved in successful environments and winning cultures both as players and coaches.

If they're continuing to build a successful culture then there's absolutely no reason why anyone would have an issue appointing from within that system.

Our issue is entirely different though, we desperately need a change in culture and that will only come from a fresh set of eyes and thinking.

Promoting from within is poor practice if you're perpetually appointing people from within the same system that's been mediocre for the best part of 30 years.