List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

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Spoiler: Confirmed Trades - Update - 14th October

Picks	Clubs	Result
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[cybercrab]

Why do we want Pick 13 so much?

Makes it impossible for the pies to get houston

 

[Chadwiko]

The fact we even offered that is embarrassing, frankly.

 

[Gorman2Geister]

We all still have PTSD from the Callum Coleman-Jones

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debacle plus last year's pick swap shemozzle with Port so the degree of anxiety here around what's rumoured is entirely justified.

Other clubs must be laughing at our desperation and ineptitude. It is peak Fremantle/Gold Coast in terms of willingness to pay overs.

 

[DuckYeah]

Brady is an idiot for offering it, and Power is an idiot for rejecting it.

How they rejected that is staggering.

 

[Roosurgence]

If it gets us Houston, then it'll be worth it

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Only for Carlton to offer 12 and trump us. You would want to have that Houston deal locked away if you are throwing a F1 plus something else for Pick 13.

Then we have given the farm for Pick 13. The kid we use it on better have Sheezel levels of talent, because we will have given up a good pick next year for him.

Gold Coast will end up getting more for Pick 13 than what we will get for splitting Pick 2, let that sink in.

Desperation is the understatement of the year if we are doing anything close to what is reported.

 

[cznsnowy91]

I'm starting to feel slightly worried. Keep F1, for the love of god don't trade it away for 13 and a second. It's odds on going to be a top 3 pick based on our last 5+ years, no way you can project massive improvement until we actually start to show some. Also hope that 25 for Daniel and 50 isn't real good lord

 

[DocSholl]

If we're genuinely after 13 that's probably a good sign that Houston is prepared to come

 

[The Nostradamus]

We missed a trick not getting essendons pick 9

They wanted to move up but apparently was too difficult

Could’ve done pick 2 for 9 and a future first

 

[New_Roo]

Brady, who on the list can you trust kicking it to Caled Daniel’s chest from the backline/wing? Scott? Fisher? Lmac? Pink?

Houston!


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[Makeshift Park]

Where would pick 48 end up after the f/s and academy kids?

Obviously still a lot of pick shuffling to go on, but from where things stand currently...

* probably lose 28, 31, 40, 46 to get Kako

Brisbane probably lose 32, 34, 42, 43, 45 for Ashcroft.

GC probably lose 23, 29, 41 for Lombard

Maybe Camporeale and Marshall bring it in a bit further.

So 48 likely becomes something like 35?

Sliding from 25 to 35 doesn't sound horrific.

 

[DuckYeah]

We missed a trick not getting essendons pick 9

They wanted to move up but apparently was too difficult

Could’ve done pick 2 for 9 and a future first

9 is sliding way too far down.

 

[Ball Dont Lie]

Ideal trade scenario conclusion for me is

darling, Parker, Huston using pick 25 on the best available kid and retaining a pick in either this years first round (top 15) or next years (top 10) by either splitting 2 or splitting our F1st for 2 picks

 

[JGreezy]

We missed a trick not getting essendons pick 9

They wanted to move up but apparently was too difficult

Could’ve done pick 2 for 9 and a future first

They wanted points in this year's draft, as well

 

[trooroo4life]

Do you think father sons and academy kids play in different u18 comps and have different coaches and development pathways?

I understand your point about who is available, but if who is available is a weaker overall pool of players because you've taken out academy and father sons, then picks are also not as valuable.

I just gave you names of guys in that range who are all great prospects that will be available even after we are pushed back 5 or so spots. If you had watched the pool this year you’d be keen as mustard for any kid in the top 30-35.

 

[New_Roo]

How they rejected that is staggering.

Maybe what's reported isn't totally correct, that's why it was rejected


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[JGreezy]

Where would pick 48 end up after the f/s and academy kids?

Obviously still a lot of pick shuffling to go on, but from where things stand currently...

* probably lose 28, 31, 40, 46 to get Kako

Brisbane probably lose 32, 34, 42, 43, 45 for Ashcroft.

GC probably lose 23, 29, 41 for Lombard

Maybe Camporeale and Marshall bring it in a bit further.

So 48 likely becomes something like 35?

Sliding from 25 to 35 doesn't sound horrific.

Shhh... You're interrupting the meltdowns with logic

 

[Flawed Genius]

Could’ve done pick 2 for 9 and a future first

If someone came to you with #9 in 2024 & #11 in 2025 for our #2, you'd reject it out of hand. Sliding 7 spots is too far for a blue chip pick, with no guarantee the 2025 Essendon first rounder is any good or even in the top 10.

 

[New_Roo]

Only for Carlton to offer 12 and trump us. You would want to have that Houston deal locked away if you are throwing a F1 plus something else for Pick 13.

Then we have given the farm for Pick 13. The kid we use it on better have Sheezel levels of talent, because we will have given up a good pick next year for him.

Gold Coast will end up getting more for Pick 13 than what we will get for splitting Pick 2, let that sink in.

Desperation is the understatement of the year if we are doing anything close to what is reported.

Our offer wouldn't be pick13 alone


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[The Warlord]

Not sure, reckon Ess got spooked about a Kako bid.

Those two St kilda picks

 

[Shinboner '07]

We were dumb offering 25 for Daniel. Dogs even dumber for not accepting

 

[remfan101]

Our offer wouldn't be pick13 alone


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If we trade our F1 for 13 what else do we have to offer??

 

[perplexed]

The Brady focus on this board is ridiculous. Clarko and Viney are behind every call just as much, if not more than Brady is.

Eh? If so, we have a problem.

Rawlings is the list manager, Thursfield is the recruiting manager. Clarko is the head coach, he should be telling Rawlings and Thursfield the players or types of players he needs to execute his game plan, he shouldn't have any involvement in the trades themselves. And if he tries to get involved, Viney should be telling him to stick to his lane.

 

[GoRoos2023]

Eh? If so, we have a problem.

Rawlings is the list manager, Thursfield is the recruiting manager. Clarko is the head coach, he should be telling Rawlings and Thursfield the players or types of players he needs to execute his game plan, he shouldn't have any involvement in the trades themselves. And if he tries to get involved, Viney should be telling him to stick to his lane.

I guarantee you 100% this is all coming from Clarko and Viney.

 

[DocSholl]

I just gave you names of guys in that range who are all great prospects that will be available even after we are pushed back 5 or so spots. If you had watched the pool this year you’d be keen as mustard for any kid in the top 30-35.

Yes I am against trading 25 and 44 for that very reason

 

[King Hansen]

We missed a trick not getting essendons pick 9

They wanted to move up but apparently was too difficult

Could’ve done pick 2 for 9 and a future first

They wanted late picks for Kako