List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades - Update - 14th October

Picks	Clubs	Result
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[Roosurgence]

This would be peak Norf.

Trade for the assets for Houston and he turns around and says sorry not interested.

Has the dumb campaigner even asked if he will come if we can do the trade?

 

[Ashley B]

Port using us for the other so called great teams to come up with something better

 

[Makeshift Park]

Hopefully we walk away from Daniel now.
If 13 gets us Houston I'm happy enough losing f1.

Wonder if the suggestion on the WB board is true, that we asked WB to cover a small part of his salary going forward.

We wouldn't be finished if that's the case, surely.

I don't love involving pick 25 in it, but if we're just downgrading 25 to 30-35 after f/s, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

 

[Flawed Genius]

This would be peak Norf.

Trade for the assets for Houston and he turns around and says sorry not interested.

I'm excited for Brady to come out and go "we are really hoping to be right up there with the interested parties " while Houston has Steve Buscemi'd us off the list in lipstick

 

[hoffseason gains 01]

Lel TR said that Huston doesn’t want to go to north.

Welcome Dan!

potentially he doesn’t.

Or it is Collingwood using Morris in an attempt to discourage North to get 13.

Or Houston’s management feeding Morris that, without directly saying it to North, in order to force his more favoured outcome directly?

Wishful thinking from my end, I’m unsure how much media is used as leverage, but I’d say it plays a part.

 

[Shermanator]

i'm happy to do brady's job for free

whatever they pay brady give it to other staff

i'll get better results

The problem is ol' mate is what you and 95% of this forum don't understand is;

1. the amount of negotiation that has to be done with not just the other 17 clubs, the specific club you want a player from.
2. then the player who your chasing needs to make a decision to leave their best friends at a club they grew up at and come to a bottom two club for half a f**ken decade like ours.
3. then the player has to agree to our terms and fit them in our salary cap (unless your Geelong or Collingwood) but also take into account the salary cap in 2/3/4 years time as our young guns like Sheez will affect the cap massively going forward with big pay rises.
4. then we actually need to work out a strategy of what we can offer up to satisfy the club your dealing with and to work out how it affects our draft strategy too.

So no matter what the keyboard warriors like us think about winning or losing a trade, the bottom line is the amount of work done behind the scenes to even get a look in at a trade is bloody enormous.

I don't necessarily agree with the Snoz on some things but I sure as hell know how much work goes into this stuff, not 'why don't we just offer pick 150 for the Bont, Snoz is a moron' shit that gets spewed out constantly - ever - ****ing - year.

Oh.. and..

No, you couldn't do Brady's job, you would battle to do his shoelaces up..

 

[New_Roo]

Wonder if the suggestion on the WB board is true, that we asked WB to cover a small part of his salary going forward.

We wouldn't be finished if that's the case, surely.

I don't love involving pick 25 in it, but if we're just downgrading 25 to 30-35 after f/s, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

That makes a lot more sense in relation to picks but doesn't make sense on the other hand as why wouldn't we just pay it all and trade a lesser pick?


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[Firebat]

Brady/Sherm, get off BF and offer up our F1 for Daniel. I wanna test my blood pressure.

 

[Reagan Smash]

Rawling offering our picks up like candy

 

[Roodus]

Tom Morris is so full of shit, was reported meeting with North multiple times last week, while reported as avoiding Carlton.

 

[Roosurgence]

The problem is ol' mate is what you and 95% of this forum don't understand is;

1. the amount of negotiation that has to be done with not just the other 17 clubs, the specific club you want a player from.
2. then the player who your chasing needs to make a decision to leave their best friends at a club they grew up at and come to a bottom two club for half a f**ken decade like ours.
3. then the player has to agree to our terms and fit them in our salary cap (unless your Geelong or Collingwood) but also take into account the salary cap in 2/3/4 years time as our young guns like Sheez will affect the cap massively going forward with big pay rises.
4. then we actually need to work out a strategy of what we can offer up to satisfy the club your dealing with and to work out how it affects our draft strategy too.

So no matter what the keyboard warriors like us think about winning or losing a trade, the bottom line is the amount of work done behind the scenes to even get a look in at a trade is bloody enormous.

I don't necessarily agree with the Snoz on some things but I sure as hell know how much work goes into this stuff, not 'why don't we just offer pick 150 for the Bont, Snoz is a moron' shit that gets spewed out constantly - ever - ****ing - year.

Oh.. and..

No, you couldn't do Brady's job, you would battle to do his shoelaces up..

Is it really that hard to overpay for spuds and get unders on your capital?

I think you are overrating the Rawlings Recruitment method. He should release a book on his method that includes a mega tube of lube.

 

[Roosurgence]

Brady/Sherm, get off BF and offer up our F1 for Daniel. I wanna test my blood pressure.

I think Brady should just go full ******** and give the Sydney knob Pick 2 for Parker.

Just instantly bullet this club to the head instead of having to go through another era of mid table crapness.

 

[Newbie Real Talk]

It certainly seems that in our desperation to improve, we are setting ourselves up for some terrible decisions.
Pick 25 should not be involved in a trade for Daniel. Walk away.
Future first (potentially pick 2-5) should be no where near a trade for pick 13 or Houston. Walk away.
I get the need for improvement but to overpay makes us look weak and desperate.
Get Parker over the line and split pick 2 for 2 great picks.

 

[Flawed Genius]

The problem is ol' mate is what you and 95% of this forum don't understand is;

1. the amount of negotiation that has to be done with not just the other 17 clubs, the specific club you want a player from.
2. then the player who your chasing needs to make a decision to leave their best friends at a club they grew up at and come to a bottom two club for half a f**ken decade like ours.
3. then the player has to agree to our terms and fit them in our salary cap (unless your Geelong or Collingwood) but also take into account the salary cap in 2/3/4 years time as our young guns like Sheez will affect the cap massively going forward with big pay rises.
4. then we actually need to work out a strategy of what we can offer up to satisfy the club your dealing with and to work out how it affects our draft strategy too.

So no matter what the keyboard warriors like us think about winning or losing a trade, the bottom line is the amount of work done behind the scenes to even get a look in at a trade is bloody enormous.

I don't necessarily agree with the Snoz on some things but I sure as hell know how much work goes into this stuff, not 'why don't we just offer pick 150 for the Bont, Snoz is a moron' shit that gets spewed out constantly - ever - ****ing - year.

Oh.. and..

No, you couldn't do Brady's job, you would battle to do his shoelaces up..

I hear you, and I accept you, and I understand your point.

I don't think the Dogs would accept #150 for Bontempelli though.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Tom Morris is so full of shit, was reported meeting with North multiple times last week, while reported as avoiding Carlton.

Just like how "Stengle is going to the highest bidder at a Melbourne-based club".

 

[Shermanator]

Is it really that hard to overpay for spuds and get unders on your capital?

I think you are overrating the Rawlings Recruitment method. He should release a book on his method that includes a mega tube of lube.

No you're right.

We've got so many options of players climbing over their managers to get to us..

Of course we've got to pay overs to get someone across the line, do I agree with it?.. no, but it's the cold, hard truth when you're a big pile of steaming shit like we've been for the past 5 years..

 

[Roosurgence]

It certainly seems that in our desperation to improve, we are setting ourselves up for some terrible decisions.
Pick 25 should not be involved in a trade for Daniel. Walk away.
Future first (potentially pick 2-5) should be no where near a trade for pick 13 or Houston. Walk away.
I get the need for improvement but to overpay makes us look weak and desperate.
Get Parker over the line and split pick 2 for 2 great picks.

Why be sensible when you can go nuclear in one trade period and blow up all the pain of the rebuild in two weeks in a fit of desperation.

 

[Nutjob]

i think this is going to be the make or break trade period for brady

we will either see that he is a savvy list manager or should be sacked on the spot

unfortunately i think it will be the latter

At least he didn’t pick Tsatas.


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[Krakouer Bonar]

Rawling offering our picks up like candy

Candy?

This is not America.

 

[Harveysuth]

If Houston doesn’t want to come to us then we would’ve backed out of the deal already

 

[Roosurgence]

No you're right.

We've got so many options of players climbing over their managers to get to us..

Of course we've got to pay overs to get someone across the line, do I agree with it?.. no, but it's the cold, hard truth when you're a big pile of steaming shit like we've been for the past 5 years..

We have been a steaming pile of shit for 5 years because the Noble era was a total cluster ****.

We restart to rebuild the right way and everyone now wants to blow it up for their sugar hit.

I hope these same people don’t complain when we go through that mid table doom cycle because we have talent gaps.

Players will only come when this talent matures and we start to climb. Until then make sensible deals for experience and go to the draft to get top end talent in areas of need.

I get that everyone is impatient after 5 years of being a turd, but what is an extra year or two to get the final pay off for doing it sensibly?

 

[Firebat]

Wonder if the suggestion on the WB board is true, that we asked WB to cover a small part of his salary going forward.

We wouldn't be finished if that's the case, surely.

I don't love involving pick 25 in it, but if we're just downgrading 25 to 30-35 after f/s, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

It’s so bizarre. We shouldn’t be ‘paying’ anyone real cash, so why would this be a point of contention from our brains trust…?

 

[Chadwiko]

The way some of you just take any random shit spouted on Trade Radio as accurate and gospel is bizarre.

 

[The Warlord]

 

[Clarke is King]

The way some of you just take any random shit spouted on Trade Radio as accurate and gospel is bizarre.

What else do you expect us to do? Work????? Madman