List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[Possession]

So by bringing in LP and CD, that surely is a record

 

[SpiderBurton22]

To be honest, like dim Sims, pies aren't my thing. The last pie I bought was in 1968. I have had a couple since then, both in unavoidable situations in the early 1980s. So perhaps I didn't notice the "nibbles" terminology.

That's very unAustralian.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

The Age ranked our trade season the 6th best.

They ranked it better than Crows, and better than Collingwood, who they said brought in good players but didn’t fill their most pressing needs.

The rankings are dumb and pointless but as everyone is throwing up knee jerk reactions it’s part of the picture that plenty of people seem to think we got what we needed and still have pick 2 to play with.

 

[shintemaster]

Also forgetting the Captain McDonald his an automatic selection

Prepare to be surprised.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Talking about pick 25 like it's a junk pick is cope.

 

[Makeshift Park]

They ranked it better than Crows, and better than Collingwood, who they said brought in good players but didn’t fill their most pressing needs.

The rankings are dumb and pointless but as everyone is throwing up knee jerk reactions it’s part of the picture that plenty of people seem to think we got what we needed and still have pick 2 to play with.

Yeah. And most of the teams ranked higher were exceptionally fortunate. eg. Carlton managing to somehow get pick 3, Geelong getting Smith for pick 17, Hawthorn getting Battle and Barrass, etc.

 

[Disco Dew]

Secondly, none of those picks were pick 25 pre draft, so irrelevant anyway.

 

[DocSholl]

Talking about pick 25 like it's a junk pick is cope.

As is only listing the players specifically taken with a certain pick

 

[Samsquanch]

Never heard that terminology Samsquanch Pretty sure Clarks are baked in Mortlake.

Sounds like it was a Mortlake to Warrnambool thing H. Never made it past Alansford or the Stony Rises. Maybe SpiderBurton22 has a case of the Mandala affect (I mean, Nibble Pies, really???)!!!

This is almost on par with Ligma's diarrhea.

 

[Ligma]

Sounds like it was a Mortlake to Warrnambool thing H. Never made it past Alansford or the Stony Rises. Maybe SpiderBurton22 has a case of the Mandala affect (I mean, Nibble Pies, really???)!!!

This is almost on par with Ligma's diarrhea.

Diarear*

 

[Jeremy Jordan]

Talking about pick 25 like it's a junk pick is cope.

Posters were on here saying that our second pick in the mid season draft was a wasted pick. So there is both ends of the spectrum

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Don't know him - Hun website says he is a reporter with the Geelong Addy.

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[Kangas_11]

Herald Sun's take on our trades.

IN: Jack Darling (West Coast), Caleb Daniel (Western Bulldogs), Luke Parker (Sydney), Jacob Konstanty (Sydney)
OUT: Nil
2024 PICKS: 2, 62
2025 PICKS: No change
Brady Rawlings started the trade period wanting four players and he got four players, just not the best one he wanted. Dan Houston is missing from North Melbourne’s plans, with Jacob Konstanty thrown in late. The Roos didn’t want to dip too far into their draft hand – they put a full hand in like a kid reaching into a showbag. Now they surely have to split pick two and gain a better footprint. How does Jack Darling help? Luke Parker has been brought in for experience, Caleb Daniel couldn’t make it work this year at the Dogs and Konstanty was about to be cut. It may be harsh but these moves on their own don’t make the Roos much better and now they don’t have much draft capital left.
RATING: 3.5/10

One thing that annoys the f*** out of me is how these negative bastards can frame any move in a specific light to make us look bad.

Konstanty is a great example, if he went to a different club, the narrative would be "fresh start", "high upside" or "looking to break into the best 22 in a new club after being kept out by AA Papley" but this miserable wank just goes "was about to be cut".

Absolutely dismal.

 

[Del191229]

What are your expectations here, 6 and ? (assuming Richmond).

6 and 11 seems most likely.

Given we achieved all our goals in the trade period, albeit at a premium, I'd rather we didn't trade our F1 now.

 

[hurricane]

It was actually Lomas who bought it up.

I've always known them as nibble pies, going back to a young kid in the 70's. Like hurricane I have memories of going to my grandmother's and walking across the road to the hospital, not visit anyone but to buy their nibbles pies that they'd bake fresh every morning at their canteen. They were better than Chitticks.

The hospital shop!

 

[The Filth Wizard]

6 and 11 seems most likely.

Given we achieved all our goals in the trade period, albeit at a premium, I'd rather we didn't trade our F1 now.

I kind of wish we would. Finish off our midfield with a Draper or FOS type while we have access to the real cream of the crop (it won’t last).

Although I guess if 6 gets us a high rated tall then a pick around 11 is still good (Smillie around this realm, not sure we go a small forward now). Can always trade in an F2 if one of those other talls drift a little (M Whitlock etc).

 

[blackshadow]

Oh no! Damian is not totally sold on the Darling and Daniel acquisitions! How am I supposed to go on with my day?

Take a sickie and start morning drinking.

 

[shintemaster]

Well technically in 2024:

Fisher - Better kicking efficiency
Fisher - Took more kicks on average per disposal.
Fisher - On average kicked it twice as far per kick at a better disposal efficiency
Fisher - Averaged slightly more clangers/turnovers per disposal.
Fisher - Higher AFL rating

Is there a possibility - hear me out - that both Fisher and Daniel could be very useful best 23 players and having both of them means another player that was getting a free ride or not ready for AFL doesn't get gifted games?

 

[Passmore]

Take a sickie and start morning drinking.

On it.

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[koshari]

One thing that annoys the f*** out of me is how these negative bastards can frame any move in a specific light to make us look bad.

Konstanty is a great example, if he went to a different club, the narrative would be "fresh start", "high upside" or "looking to break into the best 22 in a new club after being kept out by AA Papley" but this miserable wank just goes "was about to be cut".

Absolutely dismal.

"but these moves on their own don’t make the Roos much better"

they do make us instantly significantly better, but for how long, both dainiels and parker instantly make our list go from about 14 AFL standard players to 16, how we cover the rest of the team and get depth is the next challenge.

some may be achieved by organic growth if say the likes of bobby dazzler and Dawson can come on, otherwise we will be still needing to hit up free agents, drafting is longer term as you determine who are boom and who are bust/development.

splitting 2 this is the best draft to do it, conversely being the best draft to do it means less candidates likely to accommodate us.

 

[HBFlanker]

Reckon we are a 4 to 5 goal better side next year.

Much improved structure. A locked in position for Chom. Some further competition for spots (Fisher and Tucker will see a lot of VFL, harsh on Tucker)

and the most important thing, we have bought in winners. 3 premiership players.

I have no issue with the trading of 25, because we can still dominate this draft.

We dont need many more kids.

If we do a future 1st for say picks 10 and 11, i would be content. 3 picks in the top 11 and then river stevens coming in and we are done.

 

[Only Forwards]

I have some reservations on our overall strategy given it feels like it has zig zagged.

That in 2023 we were taking one approach and now in 2024 we are taking a different one.

it makes me nervous that there is no decided approach on how we actually get ourselves out of where we are.

Some of what we are doing I kind of get but at the same time it also feels like the coaches view our side a bit like an under 8s side that require coaches on the ground to be able to tell each of the players where they need to go and where they need to run.

If we are going this path, no half measures. There can be no tolerating of bad games by senior players. Single captain and that player needs to be able to put football on the park that makes themselves un-droppable.

Sheez would be my preference but he's a kid and as other posters have pointed out probably needs another year or two without that burden. I would probably give it to X.

 

[Mixed Results]

The median pick in the 21-30 range plays 35 games for the club that drafted them, gets awarded two coaches votes and no Brownlow votes.

Using this range is also generous, as our pick will end up a lot closer to 30 than 20. It's also worth noting that most of these games would be for below average value from young developing kids.

Based on this data, a pass mark for Daniel would be two quality seasons, which is an above average return on pick 25.

 

[Del191229]

I kind of wish we would. Finish off our midfield with a Draper or FOS type while we have access to the real cream of the crop (it won’t last).

Although I guess if 6 gets us a high rated tall then a pick around 11 is still good (Smillie around this realm, not sure we go a small forward now). Can always trade in an F2 if one of those other talls drift a little (M Whitlock etc).

No room in the midfield now with Parker coming in.

I'd prefer to start next trade period with one of those picks that everybody goes gaga for.

 

[Makeshift Park]

No room in the midfield now with Parker coming in.

I'd prefer to start next trade period with one of those picks that everybody goes gaga for.

Pick 13? Me too.