List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

giantroo · Oct 4, 2024

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3 K 5.8 2 HB 5.4 4 M 2.7 3 T 3.2 5 MG 179.2 3 D 8.1 2 K 4.9 2 HB 3.3 2 M 2.0 2 T 2.6 4 MG 144.9 3 D 9.0 3 K 3.8 2 HB 5.2 4 M 0.8 1 T 3.8 5 MG 160.2 3 , R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3 K 6.9 3 HB 5.4 4 M 2.8 3 T 2.9 4 CL 1.4 4 D 12.7 3 K 9.2 4 HB 3.5 2 M 3.0 3 T 2.7 4 CL 1.8 4 D 9.2 3 K 4.6 2 HB 4.6 4 M 2.0 3 T 2.6 4 CL 0.0 1 , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4 K 9.2 4 HB 7.1 4 M 3.5 4 T 2.0 4 MG 186.1 3 D 14.2 3 K 7.7 3 HB 6.5 4 M 3.2 3 T 1.8 3 MG 149.7 3 D 18.8 5 K 11.0 4 HB 7.8 5 M 4.0 4 T 2.2 4 MG 229.8 4	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5 K 11.8 4 HB 6.4 4 M 4.9 5 T 3.0 5 MG 289.2 4 D 17.6 4 K 11.6 4 HB 6.0 3 M 3.3 3 T 3.4 4 MG 319.9 5 D 16.6 4 K 12.4 5 HB 4.2 4 M 7.0 5 T 2.6 4 MG 279.8 5 , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4 to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Shagga is all Class · 2024-10-17T07:47:56+1100

Scottroo said:
It’s totally the opposite of a flawed argument. It shows draft picks in that range are totally hit and miss

Indeed. Apparently, North would magically pick the next Errol Gulden, who presumably would make AA.

When we all know, the next Daniel Nielson, is the more likely outcome, at the draft.

The more certain use of pick 25 would be find a Daniel or Macrae, a few years removed from AA, that could play a role from Rd 1 2025. Said player may assist the development of our next AA, or help him sign his next contract.

It is a magic bean argument.

But, we traded away the magic bean for Daniel, who stats indicate is a 13m per possession player!

Possession · 2024-10-17T07:48:10+1100

Frank Thring said:
So by bringing in LP and CD, that surely is a record

SpiderBurton22 · 2024-10-17T07:49:32+1100

Samsquanch said:
To be honest, like dim Sims, pies aren't my thing. The last pie I bought was in 1968. I have had a couple since then, both in unavoidable situations in the early 1980s. So perhaps I didn't notice the "nibbles" terminology.

That's very unAustralian.

Hearts to hearts · 2024-10-17T07:56:22+1100

Makeshift Park said:
The Age ranked our trade season the 6th best.

They ranked it better than Crows, and better than Collingwood, who they said brought in good players but didn’t fill their most pressing needs.

The rankings are dumb and pointless but as everyone is throwing up knee jerk reactions it’s part of the picture that plenty of people seem to think we got what we needed and still have pick 2 to play with.

shintemaster · 2024-10-17T07:57:49+1100

Mr north man said:
Also forgetting the Captain McDonald his an automatic selection

Prepare to be surprised.

Heaps of fun · 2024-10-17T07:58:53+1100

Talking about pick 25 like it's a junk pick is cope.

Makeshift Park · 2024-10-17T08:00:46+1100

Hearts to hearts said:
They ranked it better than Crows, and better than Collingwood, who they said brought in good players but didn’t fill their most pressing needs.

The rankings are dumb and pointless but as everyone is throwing up knee jerk reactions it’s part of the picture that plenty of people seem to think we got what we needed and still have pick 2 to play with.

Yeah. And most of the teams ranked higher were exceptionally fortunate. eg. Carlton managing to somehow get pick 3, Geelong getting Smith for pick 17, Hawthorn getting Battle and Barrass, etc.

Disco Dew · 2024-10-17T08:00:50+1100

Sphynx said:
Secondly, none of those picks were pick 25 pre draft, so irrelevant anyway.

DocSholl · 2024-10-17T08:02:55+1100

Heaps of fun said:
Talking about pick 25 like it's a junk pick is cope.

As is only listing the players specifically taken with a certain pick

Samsquanch · 2024-10-17T08:05:33+1100

Horace said:
Never heard that terminology Samsquanch Pretty sure Clarks are baked in Mortlake.

Sounds like it was a Mortlake to Warrnambool thing H. Never made it past Alansford or the Stony Rises. Maybe SpiderBurton22 has a case of the Mandala affect (I mean, Nibble Pies, really???)!!!

This is almost on par with Ligma's diarrhea.

Ligma · 2024-10-17T08:07:57+1100

Samsquanch said:
Sounds like it was a Mortlake to Warrnambool thing H. Never made it past Alansford or the Stony Rises. Maybe SpiderBurton22 has a case of the Mandala affect (I mean, Nibble Pies, really???)!!!

This is almost on par with Ligma's diarrhea.

Diarear*

Jeremy Jordan · 2024-10-17T08:08:30+1100

Heaps of fun said:
Talking about pick 25 like it's a junk pick is cope.

Posters were on here saying that our second pick in the mid season draft was a wasted pick. So there is both ends of the spectrum

LuvtheKangas · 2024-10-17T08:10:50+1100

gokangas said:
Don't know him - Hun website says he is a reporter with the Geelong Addy.

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Kangas_11 · 2024-10-17T08:18:38+1100

gokangas said:
Herald Sun's take on our trades.

IN: Jack Darling (West Coast), Caleb Daniel (Western Bulldogs), Luke Parker (Sydney), Jacob Konstanty (Sydney)
OUT: Nil
2024 PICKS: 2, 62
2025 PICKS: No change
Brady Rawlings started the trade period wanting four players and he got four players, just not the best one he wanted. Dan Houston is missing from North Melbourne’s plans, with Jacob Konstanty thrown in late. The Roos didn’t want to dip too far into their draft hand – they put a full hand in like a kid reaching into a showbag. Now they surely have to split pick two and gain a better footprint. How does Jack Darling help? Luke Parker has been brought in for experience, Caleb Daniel couldn’t make it work this year at the Dogs and Konstanty was about to be cut. It may be harsh but these moves on their own don’t make the Roos much better and now they don’t have much draft capital left.
RATING: 3.5/10

One thing that annoys the f*** out of me is how these negative bastards can frame any move in a specific light to make us look bad.

Konstanty is a great example, if he went to a different club, the narrative would be "fresh start", "high upside" or "looking to break into the best 22 in a new club after being kept out by AA Papley" but this miserable wank just goes "was about to be cut".

Absolutely dismal.

The Warlord · 2024-10-17T08:21:51+1100

hilly said:
What are your expectations here, 6 and ? (assuming Richmond).

6 and 11 seems most likely.

Given we achieved all our goals in the trade period, albeit at a premium, I'd rather we didn't trade our F1 now.

hurricane · 2024-10-17T08:23:15+1100

SpiderBurton22 said:
It was actually Lomas who bought it up.

I've always known them as nibble pies, going back to a young kid in the 70's. Like hurricane I have memories of going to my grandmother's and walking across the road to the hospital, not visit anyone but to buy their nibbles pies that they'd bake fresh every morning at their canteen. They were better than Chitticks.

The hospital shop!

The Filth Wizard · 2024-10-17T08:30:39+1100

The Warlord said:
6 and 11 seems most likely.

Given we achieved all our goals in the trade period, albeit at a premium, I'd rather we didn't trade our F1 now.

I kind of wish we would. Finish off our midfield with a Draper or FOS type while we have access to the real cream of the crop (it won’t last).

Although I guess if 6 gets us a high rated tall then a pick around 11 is still good (Smillie around this realm, not sure we go a small forward now). Can always trade in an F2 if one of those other talls drift a little (M Whitlock etc).

blackshadow · 2024-10-17T08:31:11+1100

Orange Peanut said:
Oh no! Damian is not totally sold on the Darling and Daniel acquisitions! How am I supposed to go on with my day?

Take a sickie and start morning drinking.

shintemaster · 2024-10-17T08:32:06+1100

Sphynx said:
Well technically in 2024:

Fisher - Better kicking efficiency
Fisher - Took more kicks on average per disposal.
Fisher - On average kicked it twice as far per kick at a better disposal efficiency
Fisher - Averaged slightly more clangers/turnovers per disposal.
Fisher - Higher AFL rating

Is there a possibility - hear me out - that both Fisher and Daniel could be very useful best 23 players and having both of them means another player that was getting a free ride or not ready for AFL doesn't get gifted games?

Passmore · 2024-10-17T08:32:15+1100

blackshadow said:
Take a sickie and start morning drinking.

On it.

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koshari · 2024-10-17T08:33:56+1100

Kangas_11 said:
One thing that annoys the f*** out of me is how these negative bastards can frame any move in a specific light to make us look bad.

Konstanty is a great example, if he went to a different club, the narrative would be "fresh start", "high upside" or "looking to break into the best 22 in a new club after being kept out by AA Papley" but this miserable wank just goes "was about to be cut".

Absolutely dismal.

"but these moves on their own don’t make the Roos much better"

they do make us instantly significantly better, but for how long, both dainiels and parker instantly make our list go from about 14 AFL standard players to 16, how we cover the rest of the team and get depth is the next challenge.

some may be achieved by organic growth if say the likes of bobby dazzler and Dawson can come on, otherwise we will be still needing to hit up free agents, drafting is longer term as you determine who are boom and who are bust/development.

splitting 2 this is the best draft to do it, conversely being the best draft to do it means less candidates likely to accommodate us.

HBFlanker · 2024-10-17T08:36:26+1100

Reckon we are a 4 to 5 goal better side next year.

Much improved structure. A locked in position for Chom. Some further competition for spots (Fisher and Tucker will see a lot of VFL, harsh on Tucker)

and the most important thing, we have bought in winners. 3 premiership players.

I have no issue with the trading of 25, because we can still dominate this draft.

We dont need many more kids.

If we do a future 1st for say picks 10 and 11, i would be content. 3 picks in the top 11 and then river stevens coming in and we are done.

Only Forwards · 2024-10-17T08:38:45+1100

I have some reservations on our overall strategy given it feels like it has zig zagged.

That in 2023 we were taking one approach and now in 2024 we are taking a different one.

it makes me nervous that there is no decided approach on how we actually get ourselves out of where we are.

Some of what we are doing I kind of get but at the same time it also feels like the coaches view our side a bit like an under 8s side that require coaches on the ground to be able to tell each of the players where they need to go and where they need to run.

If we are going this path, no half measures. There can be no tolerating of bad games by senior players. Single captain and that player needs to be able to put football on the park that makes themselves un-droppable.

Sheez would be my preference but he's a kid and as other posters have pointed out probably needs another year or two without that burden. I would probably give it to X.

Mixed Results · 2024-10-17T08:38:51+1100

The median pick in the 21-30 range plays 35 games for the club that drafted them, gets awarded two coaches votes and no Brownlow votes.

Using this range is also generous, as our pick will end up a lot closer to 30 than 20. It's also worth noting that most of these games would be for below average value from young developing kids.

Based on this data, a pass mark for Daniel would be two quality seasons, which is an above average return on pick 25.

The Warlord · 2024-10-17T08:44:21+1100

The Filth Wizard said:
I kind of wish we would. Finish off our midfield with a Draper or FOS type while we have access to the real cream of the crop (it won’t last).

Although I guess if 6 gets us a high rated tall then a pick around 11 is still good (Smillie around this realm, not sure we go a small forward now). Can always trade in an F2 if one of those other talls drift a little (M Whitlock etc).

No room in the midfield now with Parker coming in.

I'd prefer to start next trade period with one of those picks that everybody goes gaga for.

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