List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

giantroo · Friday at 10:53 AM

Player moves

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (67) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	TBC

shinboner magic · 2024-10-08T09:25:58+1100

Giving good picks for players that their clubs don’t want , needs to stop right now.

The Nostradamus · 2024-10-08T09:26:23+1100

Decision day for Daniel?

hilly · 2024-10-08T09:29:10+1100

The Nostradamus said:
Pre requisite for this trade period must have won a premiership must be all Australian

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Sillygit · 2024-10-08T09:29:15+1100

DocSholl said:
Offering someone an extended deal just to get them to come is how you end up with stupid contracts. The selling point for Daniel is that he'll be best 22 with us, not that he can extend his career

If we have to double his contract length to turn his head then he's not the type of player worth targeting

then he, and any player in his position, immediately says no. He was best 22 for them entering finals. So best 22 in a team anchored to the bottom 4 is not a selling point without at least a year more tham he currently has.

New_Roo · 2024-10-08T09:31:11+1100

Sphynx said:
Similar posts were said regarding Dylan Stephens last year.

Stephens isn't a near 200 game premiership playing AA.... and still think Stephens has plenty of upside

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hilly · 2024-10-08T09:31:38+1100

GS WARRIORS said:
Did Dan win his premiership in under12s?

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New_Roo · 2024-10-08T09:37:16+1100

DocSholl said:
Offering someone an extended deal just to get them to come is how you end up with stupid contracts. The selling point for Daniel is that he'll be best 22 with us, not that he can extend his career

If we have to double his contract length to turn his head then he's not the type of player worth targeting

I think he would rate his chances of getting back into dogs 22 with Mac and Williams potentially leaving so not sure that's a big selling point needs more... hence longer deal, more money...

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perplexed · 2024-10-08T09:45:57+1100

Seems like a good time to put up the list of the 16 players we have traded in or recycled from other clubs in the last four years.

Atu Bosenavulagi, Jaidyn Stephenson, Lachie Young, Aidan Corr, Connor Menadue, Callum Coleman-Jones, Hugh Greenwood, Tom Lynch, Griffen Logue, Darcy Tucker, Liam Shiels, Zac Fisher, Bigoa Nyuon, Dylan Stephens, Toby Pink, Brynn Teakle

DocSholl · 2024-10-08T09:47:50+1100

Sillygit said:
then he, and any player in his position, immediately says no. He was best 22 for them entering finals. So best 22 in a team anchored to the bottom 4 is not a selling point without at least a year more tham he currently has.

His spot in that Dogs team.moving forward is far from guaranteed. So yes, the selling point from.us should be that he'll be best 22, can help develop a young group and we'll pay him more. If he's not interested that's fine.

Giving him.an extra year would be just about palatable. Giving him an extra two when the best teams are employing quick and direct half backs would be stupid.

DocSholl · 2024-10-08T09:48:36+1100

New_Roo said:
I think he would rate his chances of getting back into dogs 22 with Mac and Williams potentially leaving so not sure that's a big selling point needs more... hence longer deal, more money...

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That's fine then. If it requires a four year deal to turn his head then we should leave it alone.

hilly · 2024-10-08T09:53:39+1100

Heaps of fun said:
When do we start valuing list spots?

Yes the other 'cost' that is usually ignored.

BrownPaperBag · 2024-10-08T09:54:25+1100

perplexed said:
Seems like a good time to put up the list of the 16 players we have traded in or recycled from other clubs in the last four years.

Atu Bosenavulagi, Jaidyn Stephenson, Lachie Young, Aidan Corr, Connor Menadue, Callum Coleman-Jones, Hugh Greenwood, Tom Lynch, Griffen Logue, Darcy Tucker, Liam Shiels, Zac Fisher, Bigoa Nyuon, Dylan Stephens, Toby Pink, Brynn Teakle

Not that it’s a high bar but Daniel/Parker/darling are better than them

4cunningTonneTruck · 2024-10-08T10:00:03+1100

Viney indicated in the QnA that we may be going back towards the more attacking game style we saw earlier in the year. If we don't bring in someone that uses the ball in an elite way off half back like Caleb Daniel, then we are farked.

perplexed · 2024-10-08T10:00:55+1100

BrownPaperBag said:
Not that it’s a high bar but Daniel/Parker/darling are better than them

Maybe, maybe not. I don't get the Daniel thing at all, it just seems like Fisher part 2.

Zondor · 2024-10-08T10:00:56+1100

perplexed said:
Seems like a good time to put up the list of the 16 players we have traded in or recycled from other clubs in the last four years.

Atu Bosenavulagi, Jaidyn Stephenson, Lachie Young, Aidan Corr, Connor Menadue, Callum Coleman-Jones, Hugh Greenwood, Tom Lynch, Griffen Logue, Darcy Tucker, Liam Shiels, Zac Fisher, Bigoa Nyuon, Dylan Stephens, Toby Pink, Brynn Teakle

7 of those players are no longer with us. :stern look

TurnoverMerchant · 2024-10-08T10:01:35+1100

shinboner magic said:
Giving good picks for players that their clubs don’t want , needs to stop right now.

Which good picks have we given up this off-season, and what reliable source is saying we will?

New_Roo · 2024-10-08T10:01:48+1100

DocSholl said:
That's fine then. If it requires a four year deal to turn his head then we should leave it alone.

Maybe but what's plan b then.... we can't keep relying on the draft

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perplexed · 2024-10-08T10:01:57+1100

Zondor said:
7 of those players are no longer with us. :stern look

14 would be better.

King Corey · 2024-10-08T10:01:59+1100

Sphynx said:
Coaches around the league and most of the data analysts don’t rate him and haven’t since his last AA year.

He’s absolutely a great kick.

But he doesn’t move the ball forward in any meaningful way.

He doesn’t break lines with the ball.

Majority of his possessions are chip kicks to stationary targets or he’s a stationary target himself.

Hoyne and CD have been critical of him for a long time.

It’s why the Dogs felt they needed to replace him.

I’d almost prefer to see him play further forward if we did recruit him.

It has to be for minimum chips though, he doesn’t move the needle in any way whatsoever. He’s basically Fisher 2.0

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When you're 21
You're no fun

BrownPaperBag · 2024-10-08T10:02:47+1100

Heaps of fun said:
When do we start valuing list spots?

When we have enough players of a good enough quality to do so.

We easily could still make a significant enough amount of delistings based on the standard of some.

FWIW im not ecstatic with Daniel at 4 yrs but it won’t make or break the list once a player is good enough to displace him I think they will.

For the here and now he’s a player who we know can contribute on an afl field.

I hope the deal is front loaded as we really should be flat out hitting the salary cap floor. If there is only a small portion of the wage at the back end and he is playing mainly 2s so be it

Zondor · 2024-10-08T10:03:17+1100

perplexed said:
14 would be better.

LOL. No wonder you're perplexed. It is an ordinary looking list of recruits. :stern look

BrownPaperBag · 2024-10-08T10:04:26+1100

perplexed said:
Maybe, maybe not. I don't get the Daniel thing at all, it just seems like Fisher part 2.

I think there’s a spot for him as the team stands as mentioned in my previous post I hope the deal is front loaded making it easier if he becomes overtaken as alternatives become available

backtothedraft · 2024-10-08T10:04:55+1100

DocSholl said:
His spot in that Dogs team.moving forward is far from guaranteed. So yes, the selling point from.us should be that he'll be best 22, can help develop a young group and we'll pay him more. If he's not interested that's fine.

Giving him.an extra year would be just about palatable. Giving him an extra two when the best teams are employing quick and direct half backs would be stupid.

Whats a recent example of where this strategy has worked? I mean Collingwood, a powerhouse club, just had to offer Harry Perryman at 7 year deal at 900K+ to get him over the line and he wouldn't be in the top dozen players at GWS. We are one of the least desirable clubs in the league to play for and that needs to be reflected in the size and value of contracts we offer so we can bring in any players let alone high end talent. Until we improve on field and off field as a club, this will continue to the be the case.

New_Roo · 2024-10-08T10:05:49+1100

BrownPaperBag said:
Not that it’s a high bar but Daniel/Parker/darling are better than them

Prob can take out Corr and Logue. Corr has been serviceable, solid year last yr, injury hit other year... Logue will be fine once gets a good run at it.... still hold hope in Stephens and Fisher.... was only fishers 2nd yr at hb. Tucker is a solid role player that was needed but should be gradually eased out with the kids improving and other depth. Shiels did a role for 2 yrs nothing wrong there. Greenwood never really hit straps. Need to give Teakle abit more time only has 6mths
Stepho yes disappointing cj too last chance saloon there

The others were never going to make it

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New_Roo · 2024-10-08T10:08:24+1100

backtothedraft said:
Whats a recent example of where this strategy has worked? I mean Collingwood, a powerhouse club, just had to offer Harry Perryman at 7 year deal at 900K+ to get him over the line and he wouldn't be in the top dozen players at GWS. We are one of the least desirable clubs in the league to play for and that needs to be reflected in the size and value of contracts we offer so we can bring in any players let alone high end talent. Until we improve on field and off field as a club, this will continue to the be the case.

Think was only 6 but still ludicrous

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