List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

giantroo · Oct 4, 2024

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3 K 5.8 2 HB 5.4 4 M 2.7 3 T 3.2 5 MG 179.2 3 D 8.1 2 K 4.9 2 HB 3.3 2 M 2.0 2 T 2.6 4 MG 144.9 3 D 9.0 3 K 3.8 2 HB 5.2 4 M 0.8 1 T 3.8 5 MG 160.2 3 , R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3 K 6.9 3 HB 5.4 4 M 2.8 3 T 2.9 4 CL 1.4 4 D 12.7 3 K 9.2 4 HB 3.5 2 M 3.0 3 T 2.7 4 CL 1.8 4 D 9.2 3 K 4.6 2 HB 4.6 4 M 2.0 3 T 2.6 4 CL 0.0 1 , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4 K 9.2 4 HB 7.1 4 M 3.5 4 T 2.0 4 MG 186.1 3 D 14.2 3 K 7.7 3 HB 6.5 4 M 3.2 3 T 1.8 3 MG 149.7 3 D 18.8 5 K 11.0 4 HB 7.8 5 M 4.0 4 T 2.2 4 MG 229.8 4	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5 K 11.8 4 HB 6.4 4 M 4.9 5 T 3.0 5 MG 289.2 4 D 17.6 4 K 11.6 4 HB 6.0 3 M 3.3 3 T 3.4 4 MG 319.9 5 D 16.6 4 K 12.4 5 HB 4.2 4 M 7.0 5 T 2.6 4 MG 279.8 5 , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4 to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

travelli · 2024-10-16T21:32:45+1100

Themanbun said:
So how do we line up next year?

FB: Corr ~ Logue ~ Archer
HB: Goater ~ Comben ~ Daniel
C: McKercher ~ Parker ~ Scott
HF: Zurhaar ~ Darling ~ Simpkin
FF: Fisher\Konstanty/RHJ ~ Larkey ~ Curtis

R: Xerri ~ Sheezel ~ LDU

INT: Wardlaw ~ Powell (5th onballer? HBF relief) ~ one of the three I listed in the pocket ~ Duursma/Tucker?

My guess is one of Fisher or Tucker get included for their versatility. Not sure if we'll play a proper second ruck like Teakle?

I'm not sure how we play this many onballers and I feel we need Parker to play a decent amount of midfield time. Simpkin to a wing? I dunno.

I want to see Comben in the Forward line. The Dawsons will be bigger next year.

Where is the space for Jagga?

ApplecrossWC · 2024-10-16T21:33:19+1100

Are people mixing up Daniel or Daniels or has he had the s appended before even playing a game?

Samsquanch · 2024-10-16T21:33:42+1100

Lomas said:
In the thrice and one year after the great isolation, namesake mine stones of condemnation will bear.

Verily, let him who is without sin be the first to cast a stone of condemnation. They of the bigfooty faith must never cry out in hypocritical judgment but instead, should cry out in praise of Brady. For the almighty hath shut the lions' mouths, that they may not hurt the one that scuttles like a scarab, Caleb Daniel.

jay317 · 2024-10-16T21:33:46+1100

Jeremy Jordan said:
What would you have given up for Daniel?

Smith went for 17
Macrae went for 45
His value is probably middle of that
Future 3rd and swap of future 4ths - something in that realm

Themanbun · 2024-10-16T21:34:27+1100

travelli said:
I want to see Comben in the Forward line. The Dawsons will be bigger next year.

Where is the space for Jagga?

Same but I think we'll play him back. Will be interesting to see how Will Dawson progresses, I've got high hopes for him but nothing wrong with learning in the 2s.

Pick 2 will probably come straight in as well.

A healthy list and we're looking like having some decent depth for once.

Masked Avenger · 2024-10-16T21:35:32+1100

roos_fanatic08 said:
The pessimist in me says that if we don’t see a serious up tick in wins next year all of our trades in the past two seasons are going to look dumb and we are going to be left with a lot of financial baggage and list spots being taken up by limited or cooked footballers in Fisher, Stephens, Daniel and Darling.

I hope it’s not the case but our history of recruiting the right mature age talent is deplorable at best.

Additionally if a few players around pick 25 go on to have long careers the decision to trade will be compounded even further.

I can't quite reconcile your poor view of him with his proven track record.

He's an AA and B&F winner in decent sides and he's only 28. He was also a DVC.

He's the most credentialed player we've recruited for yonks - Parker aside.

Makeshift Park · 2024-10-16T21:36:35+1100

perplexed said:
2 + F2 for 10, 11, 20?

Hope I'm wrong, but I doubt Richmond will hand over 6. They need one of everything, and it's a good spot to take your favourite tall.

Maybe we could go 6 + 18 + 20 and get much the same result?

If the combine reports are true, we'll prioritise Tauru above landing the second tier player.

Mr north man · 2024-10-16T21:37:16+1100

travelli said:
I want to see Comben in the Forward line. The Dawsons will be bigger next year.

Where is the space for Jagga?

Also forgetting the Captain McDonald his an automatic selection

Makeshift Park · 2024-10-16T21:38:54+1100

roos_fanatic08 said:
The pessimist in me says that if we don’t see a serious up tick in wins next year all of our trades in the past two seasons are going to look dumb and we are going to be left with a lot of financial baggage and list spots being taken up by limited or cooked footballers in Fisher, Stephens, Daniel and Darling.

I hope it’s not the case but our history of recruiting the right mature age talent is deplorable at best.

Additionally if a few players around pick 25 go on to have long careers the decision to trade will be compounded even further.

How many AAs with silverware has the pessimist in you seen North recruit over the past decade?

giantroo · 2024-10-16T21:39:27+1100

Who arrived: Jack Darling, Caleb Daniel, Luke Parker, Jacob Konstanty

Who left: Nil

2024 Telstra AFL Draft picks: 2, 62

Future picks: The Kangaroos held all of their future draft selections for 2025.

We say: The Roos made no secret of their desire to attract established talent and that's exactly what they did, landing four players from rival clubs. West Coast forward Jack Darling will add some much-needed support to Nick Larkey in the forward half, while Western Bulldogs utility Caleb Daniel will act as a Swiss army knife for Roos coach Alastair Clarkson. Sydney duo Luke Parker and Jacob Konstanty have also arrived in a deal that went down in the final 10 minutes of the Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period. Parker's leadership and experience will be an asset for the rebuilding Roos outfit, while Konstanty, a young small forward taken with pick 20 in 2022, is somewhat of a wildcard after being starved of opportunity during his time at the Swans. The Roos might have paid overs for Daniel, but at the end of the day he was contracted at the Bulldogs. Keep an eye on what the Roos do with pick No.2, as they may try to split it in order to get a couple of gun youngsters into the club. – Dylan Bolch

THAT'S A WRAP: Your club's ins and outs after the Trade Period

AFL.com.au's experts assess your club's performance after another intense finish to the Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

Masked Avenger · 2024-10-16T21:40:41+1100

Ashley B said:
If Caleb and others can help us improve non of us will be complaining

You might want to rethink the complaining bit just quietly.

Flawed Genius · 2024-10-16T21:41:05+1100

Dylan Bolch = The Evik

krakouers · 2024-10-16T21:42:26+1100

Harvey Manfrenjensenden said:
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Are you sure he’s not the base the players stand on?

Hearts to hearts · 2024-10-16T21:43:04+1100

DunderHead said:
Daniel never openly said trade me to North. I think he’s happy for the opportunity but if didn’t happen he’d continue to work on being picked each week for a strong side like the dogs - continuing to be paid good money.

We needed to make it happen not the other way around. It’s sucks. There will be a good role player at 25 that would help us with list balance. But you can’t have everything.

I’m looking forward to the group we put together last year going through another pre-season together.

Not sure what we do at the draft. I’d be happy to just grab the best kid at 2. I think FOS is top class and can play lots of roles. He just didn’t get a good run of games this year. I suspect he’s probably the best performed kid over the last 3 years. That probably doesn’t mean as much when your worst year is the top age year.

His manager said they had been working on the trade for a while. Just because it wasn’t a declaration in the media doesn’t mean he wasn’t keen to move.

Troy Make Peace · 2024-10-16T21:43:13+1100

In reality we traded in 3 former premiership/AA level players, with one for each zone. Even if we don't see a huge uptick in immediate results, the long terms benefits & leadership they'll bring will be huge for our younger mob.

krakouers · 2024-10-16T21:43:45+1100

Troy Make Peace said:
In reality we traded in 3 former premiership/AA level players, with one for each zone. Even if we don't see a huge uptick in immediate results, the long terms benefits & leadership they'll bring will be huge for our younger mob.

I confess, I keep seeing your username and wishing he was on here

Shermanator · 2024-10-16T21:45:22+1100

The Nostradamus said:
brady got saved from himself
was going to spend a future first on houston

but cos we missed got an extra list spot to get konstanty included

we were going to be without a future first and konstanty but wouldve had houston

He played you like a fiddle.

The Trade King

Makeshift Park · 2024-10-16T21:46:56+1100

Geez Rawlings looks ecstatic in the extended NM interview.

The Nose knows.

Congrats fella.

Zondor · 2024-10-16T21:49:12+1100

LuvtheKangas said:
I think we all agree that the Parker / Konstanty trade was a good one.

Darling is there for a pick that most clubs would be passing on, so if he's cooked it's break-even. I worry that he is, but it's a bonus to have his much-touted professionalism on the track and in the gym.

Yes, we overpaid for Daniel. Not by much, IMO. I suspect if we held pick 30 instead of 25 and used that, most here would be ok with it.

People say Brady has no balls in trading, but the Daniel trade is pretty ballsy really. It's essentially a gamble that we'll get 3-4 years out of Daniel that are better than the career of the player we might have chosen at 25 (about the 30th best player in the draft). It's likely that 1 or 2 players maximum that are taken from in the late 20s / early 30s will have a good career. IMO, it was a gamble worth taking.

Daniel ain’t breaking the lines. He is a nice kick but he ain’t the most penetrating of kicks. Sure he will retain the pill but will he cut through the opposition’s zone? Also he ain’t that quick. Plus defensively he ain’t that good. You may call it ballsy. I call it buckling. We overpaid and now our draft hand is ordinary. Plus we have a number of half back flankers on the list. Goater, Hardiman, Bergman, Fischer and McDonald. Did we really need him? :stern look

The Lone Latic · 2024-10-16T21:52:12+1100

Themanbun said:
Look people are allowed to have negative opinions on trades this club makes. We heard the same stuff when people called the CCJ trade a poor one, and every time this club has made a blue. We will make more mistakes as time goes on, that's just the game, and it's okay to put your opinion out there when you think one has been made.

I pray this doesn't turn out to be one, but IMO at this point in time, it is.

The CCJ trade was a poor one both at the time and now with hindsight, especially when he could've been walked to the PSD. If he wasn't willing to do that, he could've stayed at the Tiges.

The point is that you are meant to learn from your mistakes, not just repeat the same process and expect a different result. That is the definition of insanity. It's seemingly more and more likely that when things haven't gone poorly it's been due to pure dumb luck as opposed to good process and planning (eg talent identification and sourcing).

To an extent, what was the point of recruiting Fisher last year if we go back to the well to get Daniel this year to play the same role?

Roostorm · 2024-10-16T21:55:01+1100

giantroo said:
Who arrived: Jack Darling, Caleb Daniel, Luke Parker, Jacob Konstanty

Who left: Nil

2024 Telstra AFL Draft picks: 2, 62

Future picks: The Kangaroos held all of their future draft selections for 2025.

We say: The Roos made no secret of their desire to attract established talent and that's exactly what they did, landing four players from rival clubs. West Coast forward Jack Darling will add some much-needed support to Nick Larkey in the forward half, while Western Bulldogs utility Caleb Daniel will act as a Swiss army knife for Roos coach Alastair Clarkson. Sydney duo Luke Parker and Jacob Konstanty have also arrived in a deal that went down in the final 10 minutes of the Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period. Parker's leadership and experience will be an asset for the rebuilding Roos outfit, while Konstanty, a young small forward taken with pick 20 in 2022, is somewhat of a wildcard after being starved of opportunity during his time at the Swans. The Roos might have paid overs for Daniel, but at the end of the day he was contracted at the Bulldogs. Keep an eye on what the Roos do with pick No.2, as they may try to split it in order to get a couple of gun youngsters into the club. – Dylan Bolch

THAT'S A WRAP: Your club's ins and outs after the Trade Period

AFL.com.au's experts assess your club's performance after another intense finish to the Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

So much for that MASS EXODUS

Roostorm · 2024-10-16T21:57:39+1100

Makeshift Park said:
Geez Rawlings looks ecstatic in the extended NM interview.

The Nose knows.

Congrats fella.

First time in a long time lve seen him smile…good on him
May this be the makings of the climb up we have been waiting for.

Orange Peanut · 2024-10-16T21:57:44+1100

Good ins, 25 a bit high for the little fella but happy to have him in. Biggest takeaway for me is to ignore everything next year and just wait for the fox footy summary at 7:30 on the Wednesday. Ducking exhausted.

The Warlord · 2024-10-16T21:58:48+1100

Makeshift Park said:
Geez Rawlings looks ecstatic in the extended NM interview.

The Nose knows.

Congrats fella.

If he can split 2 well, then it's a brilliant exchange period.

Makeshift Park · 2024-10-16T22:00:20+1100

The Warlord said:
If he can split 2 well, then it's a brilliant exchange period.

Exactly. Its not hard from our position either.

Maybe is the Sapporo talking, but I'm penciling us down for 10-13 next year.

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