List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

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PicksClubsResult
15-10-24 - Pick TradeStKilda & BrisbaneBrisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick
St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick TradeMelbourne & EssendonMelbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick
Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick TradeMelbourne & AdelaideAdelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick
Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick TradeBrisbane & RichmondRichmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20)
Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick TradeCarlton & BrisbaneCarlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick
Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick TradeCarlton & HawthornCarlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick
Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks


PlayerOriginal ClubTrade/FANew ClubResult
Daniel RioliRichmondTradeGold CoastGold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli, R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks
Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai BoltonRichmondTradeFremantleFremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton, R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick.
Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry SharpBrisbane & MelbourneTradeMelbourneMelbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane)
Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston
Jack Lukosius
Joe Richards
Rory Atkins
John Noble		Port Adelaide
Gold Coast
Collingwood
Gold Coast
Collingwood		TradeCollingwood
Port Adelaide
Port Adelaide
Port Adelaide
Gold Coast		Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius, Joe Richards, Rory Atkins
Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39)
Collingwood receive Dan Houston, PA R4(58)
Matt Owies
Liam Baker		Carlton & RichmondTradeWest CoastRound 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton
Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond
Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE
Liam Baker to WCE
Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac CummingGWSUFAAdelaideEnd of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh BattleSt KildaUFAHawthornRound 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom CampbellSt KildaDFAMelbourneNo Compensation
Harry PerrymanGWSUFACollingwoodRound 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott HimmelbergAdelaideUFAGold CoastNo Compensation
Nick HaynesGWSUFACarltonNo Compensation
Alex Neal-BullenMelbourneTradeAdelaideRound 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack DarlingWest CoastTradeNorth MelbourneRound 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack GrahamRichmondUFAWest CoastEnd of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

 
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Pick 25 for Caleb Daniel based on these drafts seems unders...

For reference the CCJ pick was used be GWS eventually for Max Gruzewski which stings a bit. But he can't even get a game, and could end up with us in the next couple of years anyway.

Max Holmes the pick of the bunch and then not bloody much else, and Holmes was the covid draft!

Overs? Unders? Who cares. He is a sensational pick-up and at the least means fisher and Stephens aren't walk up starts now. Pressure is coming. Improvement needs to come next.
 

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The Nostradamus said:
im more than happy to take 2 to the draft and just go 2,62 and upgrade a rookie

do not want to use our f1 at all (save that top 10 pick for next year)

for mine its split 2 as the only thing im considering
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i would be surprised if we do not use any of our future pics on the night,from the Q and A the recruiting team had i get the feeling Thursfield has a few targets in mind
 
Only Forwards said:
There is if we get 12 months down the road and change again.

How many times in the last 5 years have we changed what we are doing? How many times in the last 9?

I don't want to relitigate the litany of failures that have brought us here, but almost constantly moving the goal posts has created some of the problems we have.
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We haven't really changed what we are doing under Clarkson. Even with this trade period it follows his M.O. of getting older blokes who know what it takes to win a flag to help out. The players we got assist what we are doing. Parker helps out in terms of leadership and experience and onfield composure, definite upgrade on Shiels. Daniel can use the ball well and makes good decisions - he will open up play for us and the plan is to lower the number of turnovers we make so he should be good for that. And we break down across the forward line in terms of use, marking and pressure. Darling potentially helps with all of those issues.

Darling, Kos and Payne can all help with pressure on the forward line. Darling and Teakle should theoretically improve our forward line marking and structure, especially after an actual pre-season working together and we may have a young tall to add to that. We will still get some young talent in the door.

We say we want to work on the game plan we started the year with. I thought even post bye we were playing very similar footy, just being more intelligent about when we stepped up the tempo. I think these trades assist that process. They obviously fit what we are trying to do and assist in strengthening where our game breaks down.
 

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The Nostradamus said:
I don’t see stevens getting drafted by anyone, he’s average and it’s a stronger draft

Which will mean he will be fs eligible again next year so we can decide then if we feel like using a rookie spot after assessing a full vfl year
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Not sure why you keep talking down Stevens, he has been very promising and definitely worth a rookie spot. He is an excellent runner and has better disposal than just about everyone on our list. He isn't a high disposal player, but they all count. Here is a link to the last round of the CTL. His last quarter is a big part of why Geelong gets over the line.

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ferball read my mind in a post earlier this morning - our F2 is the commodity that might get us draft depth this year. Not our F1.

We either keep #2 or split to 2-3 Round 1 / Top 20 picks. Both scenarios can work there.

But after that, with this draft seemingly a "beauty in the eye of the beholder" type, the price of a F1 to saturate the 1st round seems a poor pay off.

What we want is some hits in the 20-50 region. That's where our F2 could be used.

Richmond 23 + F3.

Port 29 + 50.

St K 32 + 47.

We take a 2025 pick slide hit but at a lower impact than doing it with a potential top 5 pick.
 
Would love for us to trade 2 and then take both Whitlock bros.
2 KPP players, one at either end for the next 10+ years? Mate we'd be cooking!
 
JUST NORTH said:
i would be surprised if we do not use any of our future pics on the night,from the Q and A the recruiting team had i get the feeling Thursfield has a few targets in mind
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I dont mind using a future 2nd if we dont end up splitting 2

but our f1 should not be touched

in the end i expect us to split pick 2 and not worry about futures tho
 
roos_fanatic08 said:
B: Archer, Comben, Corr
HB: Daniel, Logue, Goater
C: McKercher, Parker, Scott
HF: Durrsma, Darling, Sheezel
F: Curtis, Larkey, Zurhaar
Foll: Xerri, Wardlaw, LDU
Int: Simpkin, Tucker, Powell, Fisher
Sub: Stephenson

Defensive Depth: Hardeman, Mcdonald, K.Dawson, W.Dawson, Bergman, George

Midfield Depth: Stephens, Phillips, Lazzaro

Forward Depth: Ford, Maley, Payne, Konstanty, Teakle, Pink, RJH.

Ruck Depth: CCJ & Goad

It's quite unbelievable that despite all the drafting of midfielders over the previous 4/5 drafts that we still have absolutely no depth in that part of the ground.
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These are the last five drafts:

2019 - Mahony, Perez, Comben. No mids.
2020 - Phillips, Powell, Lazzarro, Spicer, Ford. Three mids.
2021 - JHF, Goatboy, Curtis, Bergman, Archer. One mid, since gone.
2022 - Sheeze, Warlord, George, Harvey. One mid, two if you count Sheezel, who you have on the forward line in your team list.
2023 - McKercher, Duursma, Hardeman, Goad and Dawson. One mid.

It averages out to one per draft plus Sheezel and we only had LDU, Jy as a forward/mid available and in that time we've let Cunners, Higgo, Jed, Froggy, TT and JZ go as well as Shiels and Greenwood. Its a myth that we drafted heaps of them, all we've really done is replace the ones we've lost. Just barely. Losing TT really changes the equation too.

In that time we've drafted nearly as many non KPP forwards and defenders as mids, more in total, nearly twice as many.
 
King Corey said:
ferball read my mind in a post earlier this morning - our F2 is the commodity that might get us draft depth this year. Not our F1.

We either keep #2 or split to 2-3 Round 1 / Top 20 picks. Both scenarios can work there.

But after that, with this draft seemingly a "beauty in the eye of the beholder" type, the price of a F1 to saturate the 1st round seems a poor pay off.

What we want is some hits in the 20-50 region. That's where our F2 could be used.

Richmond 23 + F3.

Port 29 + 50.

St K 32 + 47.

We take a 2025 pick slide hit but at a lower impact than doing it with a potential top 5 pick.
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I'm not sure it is. It's tracking as not only a more compromised draft next year but also the open pool drops off far quicker than this year. Even if we finish better but bottom 5 our F2 will potentially finish in the early 30's. The only way we get a taste is if other teams are done drafting.

On the other hand we have the capacity to trade back in from two future drafts as of next year. If we see something we really like (and want to keep pick 2) the F1 is the only valuable commodity here.
 
ferball said:
These are the last five drafts:

2019 - Mahony, Perez, Comben. No mids.
2020 - Phillips, Powell, Lazzarro, Spicer, Ford. Three mids.
2021 - JHF, Goatboy, Curtis, Bergman, Archer. One mid, since gone.
2022 - Sheeze, Warlord, George, Harvey. One mid, two if you count Sheezel, who you have on the forward line in your team list.
2023 - McKercher, Duursma, Hardeman, Goad and Dawson. One mid.

It averages out to one per draft plus Sheezel and we only had LDU, Jy as a forward/mid available and in that time we've let Cunners, Higgo, Jed, Froggy, TT and JZ go as well as Shiels and Greenwood. Its a myth that we drafted heaps of them, all we've really done is replace the ones we've lost. Just barely. Losing TT really changes the equation too.

In that time we've drafted nearly as many non KPP forwards and defenders as mids, more in total, nearly twice as many.
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Goater, Mahony, Drury and Duursma all played a lot of midfield in their junior years.
 
Teams usually rotate four midfielders through the centre. At most it's five, but that fifth midfielder usually spends most of his time forward of the ball.

LDU, Simpkin, Parker, Sheezel, Wardlaw, McKercher, Powell, and Phillips are the capable names we have to fill those four spots.

Zurhaar, Curtis, and Duursma also have some upside next year to have some limited rotations.

I don't think it's fair to put midfielders on the wing, half forward, and the bench, and then complain that we lack depth in the midfield. The reality is that we have too many midfielders and will have to play names like Simpkin, Parker, and McKercher out of position to fit them all in the side.

The real problem is why we don't have entrenched wings, half forwards, and half backs that don't allow us to use names like Sheezel, Powell and Simpkin to fill in the blanks for our theoretical best 22s.
 
ferball said:
These are the last five drafts:

2019 - Mahony, Perez, Comben. No mids.
2020 - Phillips, Powell, Lazzarro, Spicer, Ford. Three mids.
2021 - JHF, Goatboy, Curtis, Bergman, Archer. One mid, since gone.
2022 - Sheeze, Warlord, George, Harvey. One mid, two if you count Sheezel, who you have on the forward line in your team list.
2023 - McKercher, Duursma, Hardeman, Goad and Dawson. One mid.

It averages out to one per draft plus Sheezel and we only had LDU, Jy as a forward/mid available and in that time we've let Cunners, Higgo, Jed, Froggy, TT and JZ go as well as Shiels and Greenwood. Its a myth that we drafted heaps of them, all we've really done is replace the ones we've lost. Just barely. Losing TT really changes the equation too.

In that time we've drafted nearly as many non KPP forwards and defenders as mids, more in total, nearly twice as many.
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Might sound crazy saying this but we need another mid. Would be so good if we can steal a Harvey Langford or Sam Lalor to bull players who are so exciting to watch.
 

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Supa_Nova said:
Pick 25 for Caleb Daniel based on these drafts seems unders...

For reference the CCJ pick was used be GWS eventually for Max Gruzewski which stings a bit. But he can't even get a game, and could end up with us in the next couple of years anyway.

Max Holmes the pick of the bunch and then not bloody much else, and Holmes was the covid draft!

Overs? Unders? Who cares. He is a sensational pick-up and at the least means fisher and Stephens aren't walk up starts now. Pressure is coming. Improvement needs to come next.
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This is horrendous reading. Makes a mockery of how we all rate draft picks doesn't it? Me included.
 
ferball said:
These are the last five drafts:

2019 - Mahony, Perez, Comben. No mids.
2020 - Phillips, Powell, Lazzarro, Spicer, Ford. Three mids.
2021 - JHF, Goatboy, Curtis, Bergman, Archer. One mid, since gone.
2022 - Sheeze, Warlord, George, Harvey. One mid, two if you count Sheezel, who you have on the forward line in your team list.
2023 - McKercher, Duursma, Hardeman, Goad and Dawson. One mid.

It averages out to one per draft plus Sheezel and we only had LDU, Jy as a forward/mid available and in that time we've let Cunners, Higgo, Jed, Froggy, TT and JZ go as well as Shiels and Greenwood. Its a myth that we drafted heaps of them, all we've really done is replace the ones we've lost. Just barely. Losing TT really changes the equation too.

In that time we've drafted nearly as many non KPP forwards and defenders as mids, more in total, nearly twice as many.
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The imbalance is where we have taken our mids and talls. It's mostly top 5 mids and late/DFA talls. We are missing midfield role players / workhorses and quality talls.
 
DocSholl said:
Unless the Tigers are desperate for two players that won't be there at six, I think they're more likely to trade a couple of picks into next year's draft than chase 2 too hard
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Sheezel and Wardlaw. Not often you get to choose your midfield pairing in one draft. They have to get this right. Don't want to get the same type at 1 and 6, rather have complementary players.
 
DocSholl said:
Unless the Tigers are desperate for two players that won't be there at six, I think they're more likely to trade a couple of picks into next year's draft than chase 2 too hard
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They want 2 of Lalor/FOS/Jagga who are all good mates

Lalor and FOS school mates
Fos and Jagga chargers teammates

They will trade up from 6 to make sure it happens, helps that they have so many first rounders to play with
 
Supa_Nova said:
Pick 25 for Caleb Daniel based on these drafts seems unders...

For reference the CCJ pick was used be GWS eventually for Max Gruzewski which stings a bit. But he can't even get a game, and could end up with us in the next couple of years anyway.

Max Holmes the pick of the bunch and then not bloody much else, and Holmes was the covid draft!

Overs? Unders? Who cares. He is a sensational pick-up and at the least means fisher and Stephens aren't walk up starts now. Pressure is coming. Improvement needs to come next.
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Bunch of nobody's at 25.

This 25 is also going to slide even more spots with bidding.
 
GS WARRIORS said:
I would have liked to see him tried as a defender last season. Has some toughness, did a nice defensive job on Sicly in 23, good overhead and a nice kick. Would have been better than some we tried or persisted with.
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Yeah, dunno. Agree he has those attributes, I'm not 100% sold he has the footy brain to be a good defender though at his size. Not against exploring it htough.
 
2025 first round draft pick should be offered to Richmond for picks 10 and 11.

Run the risk of us improving next year, back ourselves in, and provide them with an avenue to sread some of their draft pick bounty into next year

Gives them 1,6,18,20,23,24 in this draft, and then already two first round picks next year.

Enter the draft with picks 2,10,11 and then take River Stevens as a rookie.

Langford
Tauru
Armstrong
 
Not totally against splitting a pick but I think it is also worth considering how many young players we've brought in over the last few years. It would have to be a very good offer with guaranteed access to a player we still rate in that top 5-6... I'm not against just holding on to what we have and delisting to open up another spot. We have alot of young players to develop and it's not the worst thing to take a pause and only bring in quality and development players for this year.
 
shintemaster said:
Not totally against splitting a pick but I think it is also worth considering how many young players we've brought in over the last few years. It would have to be a very good offer with guaranteed access to a player we still rate in that top 5-6... I'm not against just holding on to what we have and delisting to open up another spot. We have alot of young players to develop and it's not the worst thing to take a pause and only bring in quality and development players for this year.
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Which is why we dont need picks in 2025 draft.
 
HBFlanker said:
Which is why we dont need picks in 2025 draft.
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Meh, maybe. We have a lot of development and limited resources. I'm not saying no, but there is a fine line between too many young players and not enough. I'm comfortable either way - for the right price.
 
The Filth Wizard said:
I'm not sure it is. It's tracking as not only a more compromised draft next year but also the open pool drops off far quicker than this year. Even if we finish better but bottom 5 our F2 will potentially finish in the early 30's. The only way we get a taste is if other teams are done drafting.

On the other hand we have the capacity to trade back in from two future drafts as of next year. If we see something we really like (and want to keep pick 2) the F1 is the only valuable commodity here.
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To me that increases the upside of trading out the F2?
 
The Nostradamus said:
They want 2 of Lalor/FOS/Jagga who are all good mates

Lalor and FOS school mates
Fos and Jagga chargers teammates

They will trade up from 6 to make sure it happens, helps that they have so many first rounders to play with
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Is this fact or just your preference because you want to split the pick?
 

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