List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part II

[Disco Dew]

Here I was thinking he’d say they’d take what they can get.
I’m surprised they want what they think he’s worth.

 

[Midas]

Rhoodwinked

This is for all the fake rumours right?

 

[speedy]

Fisher and Caleb Daniel

35

Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

… what a stout defence.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I hope Carlton get Houston or they force him to stay

Time to walk away from that deal

They can come crawling back to us on deadline day when they are desperate to make a deal happen

 

[DuckYeah]

Gryan has an unusual technique, but he is really well balanced when kicking which allows him to change angle at the last moment. Luke isn't and can't.
Gryan will never be able to kick it very far like that though. You would never teach this.

Gryans technique is absolute filth. He leans right over and essentially hooks the ball. Its rubbish but it works for him. Have a look at his planted foot.. its terrible, nothing is square to a target but it works and he’s confident in doing so.

Chriss Judd action was terrible but he had the right mix of confidence and ability.

Luke is low on confidence. A highly confident Luke will drive the ball and have more running shots at about the 50 mark.

You can attempt to breakdown to a bio mech level as much as you like. It doesn’t always work that way.

Its more mental than it is ability. My two cents anyway

 

[Ichiro #51]

It is clear what I'm on about, hence others have understood what I have said and liked the post.

I have seen multiple threads now where you constantly beat a dead horse (not too dissimilar to a lot of other posters around here) and expect something to happen. When you go onto a thread to repeat yourself verbatim it reveals an agenda.

With the way you describe his kicking, it must be truly awful. However, from my observance across every game this season it is nowhere near as bad as you describe.

I also strongly believe that his kicking consistency is largely a symptom of the team (zero leading patterns, getting smashed in inside 50s, being hassled when in possession due to overusing the ball, confidence in one's ability).

He has areas to improve on, but that's ok. Larkey kicked over 70 goals in a season when being a liability in 1-on-1 contested situations. Clearly, weaknesses will be present throughout a player's career as no one is perfect. If LDU is only an above average kick, this should not be hindering our premiership chances in the future.

Gone a bit off the deep end here imo.

The poster brought up LDU’s kicking technique which he labeled the worst in the league- maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. He wasn’t particularly nasty or disrespectful about it. Another poster made a very reasonable post to at least partly back up the point.

I find it an interesting discussion, what’s the big deal?

 

[perplexed]

It is clear what I'm on about, hence others have understood what I have said and liked the post.

I have seen multiple threads now where you constantly beat a dead horse (not too dissimilar to a lot of other posters around here) and expect something to happen. When you go onto a thread to repeat yourself verbatim it reveals an agenda.

With the way you describe his kicking, it must be truly awful. However, from my observance across every game this season it is nowhere near as bad as you describe.

I also strongly believe that his kicking consistency is largely a symptom of the team (zero leading patterns, getting smashed in inside 50s, being hassled when in possession due to overusing the ball, confidence in one's ability).

He has areas to improve on, but that's ok. Larkey kicked over 70 goals in a season when being a liability in 1-on-1 contested situations. Clearly, weaknesses will be present throughout a player's career as no one is perfect. If LDU is only an above average kick, this should not be hindering our premiership chances in the future.

I agree that our forwards dont make his job easy. But his numbers are the worst in the team for going inside 50. Considering he regularly has more time and space than most they should be way better.

My agenda. I want Luke to improve his technique so he can help win us a flag. Again, I challenge you to try coping it.

 

[DuckYeah]

Gryans technique is best described as a golfer with a poor swing and slice but he knows how to use it to land on a fairway

 

[Tas]

It is clear what I'm on about, hence others have understood what I have said and liked the post.

I have seen multiple threads now where you constantly beat a dead horse (not too dissimilar to a lot of other posters around here) and expect something to happen. When you go onto a thread to repeat yourself verbatim it reveals an agenda.

With the way you describe his kicking, it must be truly awful. However, from my observance across every game this season it is nowhere near as bad as you describe.

I also strongly believe that his kicking consistency is largely a symptom of the team (zero leading patterns, getting smashed in inside 50s, being hassled when in possession due to overusing the ball, confidence in one's ability).

He has areas to improve on, but that's ok. Larkey kicked over 70 goals in a season when being a liability in 1-on-1 contested situations. Clearly, weaknesses will be present throughout a player's career as no one is perfect. If LDU is only an above average kick, this should not be hindering our premiership chances in the future.

It's Kool being a bottom 4 team.

 

[The Anvil]

It’s an interesting one to try and work out his true value. In a deep draft pick 10-14 feels about right, I’m surprised Carlton aren’t doing the deal for their 1st pick.

Is our play to trade our F1 for GC’s pick 12 and future 2nd round and then on trade it to Port?

It can’t be much more than that, surely.

They'll argue the whole way to the deadline, and then cash out their 1st for Houston.

He isn't coming to us, he wants to get to the Blues. We are there for our usual role of ensuring other teams overpay.

 

[DocSholl]

I assume Port would deal for a pick inside the top 10 and that's fair enough to value him at that. He's contracted for another three seasons and is a back to back AA, I'd be wanting a fair haul too

Question is whether we can realistically get that pick without doing something stupid

 

[archereleven]

The irony is that you are comparing him to the worst kicks in the competition who also play midfield, it isn't a ringing endorsement that he is in this group. Most of these guys also play more inside than LDU.

I don't think LDU is a bad kick, he is just shithouse when he goes inside 50 and he doesn't do the heavy lifting defensively so I expect him to have a lot more polish going forward. Why doesn't he kick more goals? He should have tidied his kick inside 50 a long time ago.

Of the players you listed, I am using this years stats except for Oliver, he is on a bender and missed a lot of games last year so I am using his 2022 stats. Adams didn't play a lot of midfield time so I am using his stats from last year when he did.

LDU played 23 games, 86.4% ToG. Averaged 27.7 disposals, 13.7 kicks at 64.2% accuracy. He averaged 12.5 contested possessions at 44.2% CP rate). Averaged 6.3 clearances, 3.9 tackles and 23.1 pressure acts. He had 122 inside 50s (5.3 avg). He kicked 11.4 at 61.1% accuracy and had 13 goal assists or 9.39 I50s per goal assist.

Oliver in 2022 played 23 games and also had 86.4% ToG. Averaged 32.7 disposals, 15.0 kicks at 52.6% accuracy. He averaged 17.8 CPs at 53.3% CPR. Averaged 8.7 clearances, 5.5 tackles and 26.2 pressure acts. He had 124 inside 50s (5.4 avg). He kicked 8.7 at 31.3% accuracy and had 28 goal assists or 4.43 I50s per goal assist.

Oliver is a WAY worse kick than LDU but why is there such a stark contrast in assists. It isn't because we are shit kicks at goal like some clubs, we have a very good conversion rate, the delivery to our forwards is just abysmal and the last guy who tried to show our mids how real clubs deliver the ball inside 50 he was laughed off and kicked out of the club. They thought he was a dickhead for asking the mids to put the ball in front of him instead of 10m over his head.

Treloar 104 inside 50s (4.5 avg). 26 goal assists or 4.0 I50s per goal assist. He kicked 16.6 at 55.2% accuracy, his KE was 54.9%. Why is Treloar kicking a lot more goals and creating a lot more goals than LDU?

Serong also 104 inside 50s. 27 goal assists or 3.85 per GA. He kicked 13.10 at 44.8% and had a KE of 52.4%. Why is he a scoring machine compared to LDU?

Adams (2023) 88 inside 50s (3.8 avg) 25 goal assists or 3.52 per GA. Kicked 13.11 (44.8% accuracy) and had a KE of 52.7%. He was also 30 in 2023. LDU is in his prime and nowhere near as effective.

Anderson is probably more in LDU's league. He had 139 I50s (6.0 avg) for 15 GA or 9.27 per GA. He kicked 13.8 at 54.2% accuracy) and his KE was 58.8%. I wonder why GC ended bottom 4... must be a coincidence.

Caldwell only played 75.3% ToG, so he wasn't on the field as much. He had 82 inside 50s for 11 GA or 7.45 per GA, not good, but a lot better than 9.39. He kicked 8.9 at 34.8% accuracy and his KE was 60.1%. He had a lot more defensive roles, averaged 6.5 tackles per game.

If we are going to get out of the bottom 4 he has to improve his ball use.

You might want to wait and see on LDUs i50 kicking until we have an AFL standard forward line with AFL standard coaching.

What I saw last season was far from the above.

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[kool kangas]

So this reads more of a Carlton port trade. Let’s just step out of this one and put our attention elsewhere. I know, like with someone with a certain dog..

We may have already done that and just not told anyone yet...Unlike years ago trade leaks for the club no longer leak like a sieve..

 

[shintemaster]

There's been some great suggestions; here's mine for the rumour thread name:

On the Pouch

Wait, let me explain!

- On the Couch
- Kangaroos have pouches
- A nod to 'you'd have to be smoking something to believe this/come up with this rumour'

Sits back, mops brow, exhausted.

The Rumour Thread

 

[giantroo]

 

[DesertRoo]

Straight swap Jy for Oliver. Both on long term big money contracts. Both questionable to complete the term of the contracts for different reasons. Same age bracket. Both coming off lower than average years. Dees happy as Jy would be seen as character upgrade and thus should appease Trac. LDU, Harry, George happy as the best contested mid of the last 5 years slots in to give them protection and first use. Leadership wise Parker to captain until Harry takes over. It also shakes the place up from a complacency point of view seeing the captain traded.

Can we hand over our other Capt?
Oliver for LMac, he'd be great for their culture, plenty of hair ruffles.

 

[kool kangas]

I hope Carlton get Houston or they force him to stay

Time to walk away from that deal

They can come crawling back to us on deadline day when they are desperate to make a deal happen

l dont want Carlton to get him but l am more than happy for him to stay at Poort..

 

[spurs]

Sooooo…what’s he worth Chris?

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

Would be funny if he went interstate

 

[shintemaster]

The more they say this stuff publicly the less likely it is to be true - and the more likely Dan will take his bat and ball to prove a point.

 

[kool kangas]

If Carlton use their 1st pick to get Houston what do they do to get the Camporelie twins because isnt that what they are planning to use as part of the bid for them. Also how far down the trade table can Carlton go before other clubs can bid on them?

 

[shintemaster]

He was seventh on my list. But at least he's got versatility going for him.

Ford + Stephenson's spots in the best 23 really need to be replaced by defensively accountable small forwards.

If we did that, and replaced Pink with Darling, McDonald with Houston, Stephens with Daniel (via kerch moving to the wing), and Shiels with Parker, I think we'd be cooking with gas.

Pretty good start and then your talent / fringe is coming in (hopefully) to deal with the odd injury or after proving they have stepped up way beyond VFL.

 

[Waynesworld]

Pops in to see if any trade news.

Double checks thread title is not "LDU kicking techniques and issues"

Leaves

 

[Psicosis]

Brady should not be let anywhere near anyone from the Port Adelaide football club.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Parker hurry up and make official trade request pls and thanks