List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part II

[Psicosis]

Someone needs to tell Clarkson that “experience” isn’t why Hawthorn just won a final.

 

[Junk yard]

Hawks just won a final with Chol & Dear as their KPFs…

The system we play next year is the single most important thing this off-season.

Need the cattle for the system, running hard and fast with good skills. Not sure that suits our list.

 

[trooroo4life]

Hawks just won a final with Chol & Dear as their KPFs…

The system we play next year is the single most important thing this off-season.

Two players with incredible athleticism and very rarely get outmarked and in the process bring the ball to ground for their smalls. Our key forward would be lucky to get 5cm off the ground and regularly just gives up in a wrestle.

Which is why Chom up forward is important, he can jump and compete in the air. It would look even better if there were smalls that could crumb.

 

[shinboner magic]

Get 3 small forwards - Stevens and 2 others.
Kerch further forward and a couple KPF’s - Chom can stay back
Goater and hardeman to provide rebound

 

[chubbspeterson]

If we are looking for kpp, I can see a trade with St Kilda. They will be gagging for their top rated mid.

NM trades 2 - St Kilda 7, 8

Trade 22, 40 - Brisbane 14

7, 8, 14

Trainor, Armstrong, Berry. Put feet up.

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Lions aren't taking 22 and 40 for 14. They need more points to match Ashcroft bid in the top 3 and Marshall bid in the top 30. Another team like Tigers has a lot more 2nds and early 3rds (21, 29, 39, 41, 47, 57) to offer as points.
Swans could offer 18 or 19 and a F2 to beat our best offer of 22 and a F2.
And some other team might be willing to give a late F1 and 2nd/3rd/4th rounders as points this year, so I think we'd unfortunately have a crack at getting the Lions first but be beaten our by better offers.

 

[Shinboner1]

Get 3 small forwards - Stevens and 2 others.
Kerch further forward and a couple KPF’s - Chom can stay back
Goater and hardeman to provide rebound

if goater gets back to form.

 

[hilly]

Mahony was very unlucky to be delisted and cops a bad rap on here. Not a huge goal scorer but a committed player.

Turn it up, not up to it and just been shown the door by a second club.

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[amaz199]

As much as Rawlings gets a lot of flak for the previous list management decisions. I'm prepared to let that slide considering the tumultuous environment which was lingering with the old regime.

2022 trade period was a write off.

2023 trade period was and still is a trade period that helped us immensely. Although Fisher and Stephens weren't exact flash for the whole year, they did have some good games. Biggie gets so much criticism for just existing on our list but prior to the Hawks game, there seemed to be some raw talent on display in patches and perhaps he might become the successor to Majak Daw

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Majak Daw

Age

33

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

D/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

. The bloke can take a grab.

The 2023 draft period was, and still is a good injection of talent. No problems there. Good on Watto for finding some form but Duursma beats him simply for being a better total package. This isn't the first time we've had a high draft pick talent start slowly (Ben10 anyone?).

RHJ was looking pretty grim as a MSD punt but has looked promising recently.

So many players that need time, just need experienced heads around them.

 

[amaz199]

List management should be looking at an additional small forward and some experienced bigger bodies.

We can't address all of our deficiencies but we can mitigate them for now and address the ones out of control.

 

[archereleven]

Lions aren't taking 22 and 40 for 14. They need more points to match Ashcroft bid in the top 3 and Marshall bid in the top 30. Another team like Tigers has a lot more 2nds and early 3rds (21, 29, 39, 41, 47, 57) to offer as points.
Swans could offer 18 or 19 and a F2 to beat our best offer of 22 and a F2.
And some other team might be willing to give a late F1 and 2nd/3rd/4th rounders as points this year, so I think we'd unfortunately have a crack at getting the Lions first but be beaten our by better offers.

22, 40 is 110 points more than 14.

If needed, swap 40 for f2

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[chubbspeterson]

Someone needs to tell Clarkson that “experience” isn’t why Hawthorn just won a final.

Yeah it had nothing to do with experienced players like Gunston (33), Sicily (29), Frost (31), Amon (29), Scrimshaw (26), Worpel (25), Breust (33), Impey (29), Hardwick (27), Nash (26), Morrison (25), Moore (25), Chol (27), Meek (26).

 

[ChairmanZia]

Which Opium Dens are you visiting Radical? :stern look

the one that's 30 years more advanced than your shithole

 

[chubbspeterson]

22, 40 is 110 points more than 14.

If needed, swap 40 for f2

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That's the only thing might that might work from us is 22 and F2 but Lions will need more points this year.
They've only got 52 and 68 after pick 14. Not enough to match Ashcroft and Marshall bids.

 

[Shinboner1]

List management should be looking at an additional small forward and some experienced bigger bodies.

We can't address all of our deficiencies but we can mitigate them for now and address the ones out of control.

Sure we can, just need the list space.

 

[ChairmanZia]

Been mentioned already but also hearing he is considering North...

Can be a serviceable player, only 31 in 2025, useful for several years

 

[archereleven]

That's the only thing might that might work from us is 22 and F2 but Lions will need more points this year.
They've only got 52 and 68 after pick 14. Not enough to match Ashcroft and Marshall bids.

They can use future picks

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[THE_GUN]

We're not gifting you a first round pick. We've got Logue, Dawson, Corr and Comben while the games trends towards small forwards.

LOL i dont think we need your gift with a 1st round pick for Balta
He will get multiple clubs over 1 mil but is probably worth more in a trade

But thank you for you reply

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Next year is make or break. Hawks won 15 of Mitchell’s first 50…. Now 14 of 18.

It can turn and turn quickly if the right calls are made.

We might be 2 years away from where the Hawks were at the start of 2024.

They have balance in their list. More than that, they have decided on a bold, innovative strategy and recruited around that. They have been thrifty with recruiting role players and diversified their use of draft capital.

We have bludgeoned away at the draft picking inside mids for 8 and now possibly 9 years.

Still missing the other wing.
Still missing a single pressure forward.
Still missing a single reliable rebounding defender.
Still only running with a 2m flanker as our single KPF.
Still missing a hard-nosed midfielder with experience.

We should be making comparisons with the Hawks as much as with Sydney, GWS or Brisbane for the good that will do us. Apart from a couple of years where they were better than us but towards the bottom of the ladder, there is no comparison. We are worlds apart.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Need the cattle for the system, running hard and fast with good skills. Not sure that suits our list.

What is our system?

 

[rickety]

Mahony was very unlucky to be delisted and cops a bad rap on here. Not a huge goal scorer but a committed player.

Nah mate, had neat skill and a truckload of application, but just not good enough, quick enough and overall his impact on matches was minimal. Imo. Or something.

 

[Gasometer]

Yeah it had nothing to do with experienced players like Gunston (33), Sicily (29), Frost (31), Amon (29), Scrimshaw (26), Worpel (25), Breust (33), Impey (29), Hardwick (27), Nash (26), Morrison (25), Moore (25), Chol (27), Meek (26).

The Baby Hawks Myth

Meanwhile our age group is what LMacs and Corrs?

Hello Scotts era…again

 

[Zondor]

So you think any of those players would have made a difference compared to the seven changes of coach across those five years?

If they'd recruited Ambrosius instead of KDawson then right now you'd be into Rady for recruiting 15 hbfers while we end up playing Kerch and Sheezel down there anyway.

What I think is you reason away the poor decisions made by our Recruitment and List Management Team with if Player X ended up at North then he would be no good anyway. It’s an idiotic argument. :stern look

 

[Hearts to hearts]

I think we let the media dictate our msd picks.
If cal says payne will go pick 1 we take him.
Grow a set of balls.

You don’t really believe this? You do know that the media reports what clubs tell them is likely, not the other way around?

 

[Mr north man]

Get 3 small forwards - Stevens and 2 others.
Kerch further forward and a couple KPF’s - Chom can stay back
Goater and hardeman to provide rebound

Goater and Hardenham won’t play in the same side.
Got to remember our Captain McDonald will be 1st picked and will play half back.

 

[The acurate one]

I think the Hawks just showed us why. Pace, ball use and discipline across the entire ground. Caleb is a great kick, that's about it.

Yep fingers crossed Goater, Hardeman, Bergman , our first pick this year can get games. That removes four waddlers from our side.