List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part II

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archereleven said:
Imagine if we won 8-10 games next season...

We could throw Balta a massive bone and field a 2026 backline of

Archer - Logue - Corr
Houston - Balta - Goater

Backups - WDawson, Bergman, Stiffy, KDawson

That is elite.

Win now. Attract players.

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Love it! Archer has shown a bit, goat **** all and coming off probably the most debilitating injury in the game, his kicking was terrible pre achillies and starvin Marvin has bigger calf's. Bergman nearly reaching perez levels of over hyping. That backline is far from elite sir.
 
Rooboys Rool said:
That’s true about the spread, but the $ will (or should) still be taken into account. e.g. Geelong spread $1.6m over 2 years out over 4 years and still netted pick 7. We won’t get that, but we don’t know how his salary will be split so it’s hard to say how the picks should fall.
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It’s different though because WC don’t have any cap pressure and he’s about to play 300 games so they would have kept him, plus we targeted him.

So there is no salary dump
 

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The Dingrel said:
2017 we played off against them in the final round at the Gabba for the wooden spoon (the Cam Rayner cup). So no Rayner wasn’t on the list. Last time we finished above them and fwiw Lindsay, Hansen and Thompson played their last games for the club, while McKay debuted. That was their last sh1t year, and our first of many.
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Yes I’ve gone back to correct the information. The point remains that Fagan started in 2017 and the Lions finished last in his first season in charge. In that off season they drafted Rayner, Bailey, Starcevich and Jack Payne. In 2018 they had 5 wins. In 2019 they picked up a 25 year old Lachie Neale and had 16 wins. In 2024 they won the flag.

If Houston was younger he would be a good fit. Otherwise, drafting in elite young talent is what Brisbane did to sustain their current success. Clarkson often references what Fagan did at Brisbane.

For what it’s worth I think we have some great kids, if we can find another key position prospect we are well on our way.
 
Fagan started in 2017 but you have to remember there was 3 years of garbage before his arrival. There were 2 maybe from that 2015 list that played on Saturday. Extrapolate that out to us and our next Flag list will look nothing like who starts in Rd 1 2025, unless there is a miraculous turn around which is what we all hope for
 
Gasometer said:
Fagan started in 2017 but you have to remember there was 3 years of garbage before his arrival. There were 2 maybe from that 2015 list that played on Saturday. Extrapolate that out to us and our next Flag list will look nothing like who starts in Rd 1 2025, unless there is a miraculous turn around which is what we all hope for
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The Maestro said:
Yes I’ve gone back to correct the information. The point remains that Fagan started in 2017 and the Lions finished last in his first season in charge. In that off season they drafted Rayner, Bailey, Starcevich and Jack Payne. In 2018 they had 5 wins. In 2019 they picked up a 25 year old Lachie Neale and had 16 wins. In 2024 they won the flag.

If Houston was younger he would be a good fit. Otherwise, drafting in elite young talent is what Brisbane did to sustain their current success. Clarkson often references what Fagan did at Brisbane.

For what it’s worth I think we have some great kids, if we can find another key position prospect we are well on our way.
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Looking at that 2018 draft by brions, when have we had a draft recently with 3 players from it still on the last 5 years on?
 
Trade preview: Where key targets sit, Roos’ triple play, Tigers’ haul

North Melbourne is eyeing a bumper triple play in this year’s trade period to help the club rise up in Alastair Clarkson’s third year as coach.

The Kangaroos spoke with Western Bulldogs’ playmaker Caleb Daniel last week and are expected to land Sydney Swans’ veteran Luke Parker, 31, and West Coast forward Jack Darling, 32, next month.

Port Adelaide defender Dan Houston is also on the Kangaroos’ radar, however the dual All-Australian may yet nominate Carlton as his preferred new ho
me.

Daniel, 28, is yet to decide whether he will pursue a move from the kennel, following jet ballwinners Bailey Smith (Geelong) and Jack Macrae (St Kilda) out the door.

Daniel is expected to make a call on his future this week after talks with the Kangaroos on their vision for the next few seasons and the Dogs about his spot in the side.

The Dogs could demand a second-round pick for Daniel who played 16 games this year including his best performances in the last three games of the season.

In particular, Daniel’s excellent kicking skills would help North’s ball movement in the back half and middle part of the ground after 10 years at the Dogs

North would be thrilled to land Daniel and Parker to bolster their contested ball winning and ball movement, while Darling would allow gun tall Charlie Comben to stay in defence.

But the Dogs would hold the upper hand in any trade talks on Daniel’s future as he is contracted on a deal worth about $700,000 until the end of 2026.

The Dogs can also afford to keep Daniel, who is a popular team member, as the departures of Smith and Macrae clear up significant salary cap space for the club.

The Kangaroos also have significant salary cap room and want some top-line established talent to help the club lift out of the AFL doldrums after years at the bottom.

Parker, who played a defensive forward role on star Lion Harris Andrews in the grand final, is expected to depart the Swans following an exit meeting with the club over the next two days.

His toughness, consistency, leadership and experience are being targeted by North on a lucrative multi-year deal while Darling could help Nick Larkey in attack.

Parker spent the start of the season on the sidelines after a pre-season injury and had to bide his time in the VFL and will face a significant fight to secure a spot in the Swans’ senior side next year.

Teammate Taylor Adams was also left out of the premiership decider and is intent on breaking back into the seniors after his trade from Collingwood last year.

The Kangaroos could land Darling and Parker with late third and fourth-round picks, but would have to part with a top 25 pick to land the contracted Daniel.

Clarkson’s men have pick number two in the draft and are considering splitting that selection for two later choices in the first round.

The Roos have been linked to the best defender in this year’s draft class, Luke Trainor, who has family links to North Melbourne and is a keen Roos’ fan.

He is expected to be taken late in the first 10 selections, meaning the Roos could slide back from pick two to take him and have another late first-round pick to trade.

North Melbourne was interested in Melbourne hard nut Jack Viney but the Demon decided to stay, meaning the Roos set their sights on Parker.

Smith is expected to nominate Geelong as his preferred new home this week.

The Cats are also eyeing Jack Martin, from Carlton, is holidaying on Gold Coast amid interest from Fremantle as well.

Martin is set to decide on his new club this week amid frustrations with the way his injuries were managed at the Blues this year.

 
wandering123 said:
Trade preview: Where key targets sit, Roos’ triple play, Tigers’ haul

North Melbourne is eyeing a bumper triple play in this year’s trade period to help the club rise up in Alastair Clarkson’s third year as coach.

The Kangaroos spoke with Western Bulldogs’ playmaker Caleb Daniel last week and are expected to land Sydney Swans’ veteran Luke Parker, 31, and West Coast forward Jack Darling, 32, next month.

Port Adelaide defender Dan Houston is also on the Kangaroos’ radar, however the dual All-Australian may yet nominate Carlton as his preferred new ho
me.

Daniel, 28, is yet to decide whether he will pursue a move from the kennel, following jet ballwinners Bailey Smith (Geelong) and Jack Macrae (St Kilda) out the door.

Daniel is expected to make a call on his future this week after talks with the Kangaroos on their vision for the next few seasons and the Dogs about his spot in the side.

The Dogs could demand a second-round pick for Daniel who played 16 games this year including his best performances in the last three games of the season.

In particular, Daniel’s excellent kicking skills would help North’s ball movement in the back half and middle part of the ground after 10 years at the Dogs

North would be thrilled to land Daniel and Parker to bolster their contested ball winning and ball movement, while Darling would allow gun tall Charlie Comben to stay in defence.

But the Dogs would hold the upper hand in any trade talks on Daniel’s future as he is contracted on a deal worth about $700,000 until the end of 2026.

The Dogs can also afford to keep Daniel, who is a popular team member, as the departures of Smith and Macrae clear up significant salary cap space for the club.

The Kangaroos also have significant salary cap room and want some top-line established talent to help the club lift out of the AFL doldrums after years at the bottom.

Parker, who played a defensive forward role on star Lion Harris Andrews in the grand final, is expected to depart the Swans following an exit meeting with the club over the next two days.

His toughness, consistency, leadership and experience are being targeted by North on a lucrative multi-year deal while Darling could help Nick Larkey in attack.

Parker spent the start of the season on the sidelines after a pre-season injury and had to bide his time in the VFL and will face a significant fight to secure a spot in the Swans’ senior side next year.

Teammate Taylor Adams was also left out of the premiership decider and is intent on breaking back into the seniors after his trade from Collingwood last year.

The Kangaroos could land Darling and Parker with late third and fourth-round picks, but would have to part with a top 25 pick to land the contracted Daniel.

Clarkson’s men have pick number two in the draft and are considering splitting that selection for two later choices in the first round.

The Roos have been linked to the best defender in this year’s draft class, Luke Trainor, who has family links to North Melbourne and is a keen Roos’ fan.

He is expected to be taken late in the first 10 selections, meaning the Roos could slide back from pick two to take him and have another late first-round pick to trade.

North Melbourne was interested in Melbourne hard nut Jack Viney but the Demon decided to stay, meaning the Roos set their sights on Parker.

Smith is expected to nominate Geelong as his preferred new home this week.

The Cats are also eyeing Jack Martin, from Carlton, is holidaying on Gold Coast amid interest from Fremantle as well.

Martin is set to decide on his new club this week amid frustrations with the way his injuries were managed at the Blues this year.

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Who wrote this article? If they aren’t willing to play Daniel and he’s on very good coin why would we have to use a 2nd rounder on him?
 
Roosurgence said:
Why does a trade for Houston give me Polec vibes?

Some players look great in a system and when taken out of that system turn into your garden variety nugget of shit.

For a future first let’s hope we get the output of the multiple AA Houston and not Houston Lite.
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The only similarity is Port.... they are worlds apart as players and Polec came to use with a foot that needed to be severely managed


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Port Adelaide fuming at perceived Carlton arrogance in early Dan Houston trade negotiations

Port Adelaide is refusing to deal with Carlton over Dan Houston.
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Port Adelaide is refusing to deal with Carlton over Dan Houston, with the Power angry at what they perceive to be Blues arrogance in early negotiations.

In talks between the clubs fed through Houston’s management, Carlton has stated it intends to keep its pick 11 for this year’s draft while trading a future first round selection to a third club.

The Blues then want to send that third club’s first rounder to the Power, with uncontracted goal-sneak Matt Owies also raised in Houston trade discussions.

But Port powerbrokers say that is delusional when it comes to a 27-year-old two-time All-Australian who is contracted for three more years.

It’s understood Melbourne was happy to trade to first round picks to secure Houston before the Demons were engulfed in their latest crisis.

Yet the interest in Houston remains strong among rival clubs. Sources said North Melbourne was set to launch a major bid to bring Houston to Arden Street, with Alastair Clarkson playing a typically hands-on role.

Ultimately, Port Adelaide is highly unlikely to sanction Houston’s release for anything other than a strong return given it doesn’t own a first-round pick in one of the best drafts in years.

The fact Port have missed lost out to Adelaide for Isaac Cumming and are set to lose to Collingwood for Harry Perryman also complicates matters.

This isn’t viewed as an Alex Neale-Bullen situation given Houston’s motivation for moving to a Melbourne-based club is largely motivated by a Melbourne-based girlfriend. He has also stated his love for Port Adelaide and his teammates.

But if Houston is steadfast on getting to Carlton given his friendship with Jack Silvagni and working relationship with Michael Voss, there is a lot of work to do.
 
wandering123 said:
Trade preview: Where key targets sit, Roos’ triple play, Tigers’ haul

North Melbourne is eyeing a bumper triple play in this year’s trade period to help the club rise up in Alastair Clarkson’s third year as coach.

The Kangaroos spoke with Western Bulldogs’ playmaker Caleb Daniel last week and are expected to land Sydney Swans’ veteran Luke Parker, 31, and West Coast forward Jack Darling, 32, next month.

Port Adelaide defender Dan Houston is also on the Kangaroos’ radar, however the dual All-Australian may yet nominate Carlton as his preferred new ho
me.

Daniel, 28, is yet to decide whether he will pursue a move from the kennel, following jet ballwinners Bailey Smith (Geelong) and Jack Macrae (St Kilda) out the door.

Daniel is expected to make a call on his future this week after talks with the Kangaroos on their vision for the next few seasons and the Dogs about his spot in the side.

The Dogs could demand a second-round pick for Daniel who played 16 games this year including his best performances in the last three games of the season.

In particular, Daniel’s excellent kicking skills would help North’s ball movement in the back half and middle part of the ground after 10 years at the Dogs

North would be thrilled to land Daniel and Parker to bolster their contested ball winning and ball movement, while Darling would allow gun tall Charlie Comben to stay in defence.

But the Dogs would hold the upper hand in any trade talks on Daniel’s future as he is contracted on a deal worth about $700,000 until the end of 2026.

The Dogs can also afford to keep Daniel, who is a popular team member, as the departures of Smith and Macrae clear up significant salary cap space for the club.

The Kangaroos also have significant salary cap room and want some top-line established talent to help the club lift out of the AFL doldrums after years at the bottom.

Parker, who played a defensive forward role on star Lion Harris Andrews in the grand final, is expected to depart the Swans following an exit meeting with the club over the next two days.

His toughness, consistency, leadership and experience are being targeted by North on a lucrative multi-year deal while Darling could help Nick Larkey in attack.

Parker spent the start of the season on the sidelines after a pre-season injury and had to bide his time in the VFL and will face a significant fight to secure a spot in the Swans’ senior side next year.

Teammate Taylor Adams was also left out of the premiership decider and is intent on breaking back into the seniors after his trade from Collingwood last year.

The Kangaroos could land Darling and Parker with late third and fourth-round picks, but would have to part with a top 25 pick to land the contracted Daniel.

Clarkson’s men have pick number two in the draft and are considering splitting that selection for two later choices in the first round.

The Roos have been linked to the best defender in this year’s draft class, Luke Trainor, who has family links to North Melbourne and is a keen Roos’ fan.

He is expected to be taken late in the first 10 selections, meaning the Roos could slide back from pick two to take him and have another late first-round pick to trade.

North Melbourne was interested in Melbourne hard nut Jack Viney but the Demon decided to stay, meaning the Roos set their sights on Parker.

Smith is expected to nominate Geelong as his preferred new home this week.

The Cats are also eyeing Jack Martin, from Carlton, is holidaying on Gold Coast amid interest from Fremantle as well.

Martin is set to decide on his new club this week amid frustrations with the way his injuries were managed at the Blues this year.

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If we even entertain the idea of taking Daniel for anything less than a F3 then we should shut up shop.

Top 25 pick for a player they are trying to get off their books…tell ‘em they are dreamin’
 
giantroo said:

Port Adelaide fuming at perceived Carlton arrogance in early Dan Houston trade negotiations

Port Adelaide is refusing to deal with Carlton over Dan Houston.
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au


Port Adelaide is refusing to deal with Carlton over Dan Houston, with the Power angry at what they perceive to be Blues arrogance in early negotiations.

In talks between the clubs fed through Houston’s management, Carlton has stated it intends to keep its pick 11 for this year’s draft while trading a future first round selection to a third club.

The Blues then want to send that third club’s first rounder to the Power, with uncontracted goal-sneak Matt Owies also raised in Houston trade discussions.

But Port powerbrokers say that is delusional when it comes to a 27-year-old two-time All-Australian who is contracted for three more years.

It’s understood Melbourne was happy to trade to first round picks to secure Houston before the Demons were engulfed in their latest crisis.

Yet the interest in Houston remains strong among rival clubs. Sources said North Melbourne was set to launch a major bid to bring Houston to Arden Street, with Alastair Clarkson playing a typically hands-on role.

Ultimately, Port Adelaide is highly unlikely to sanction Houston’s release for anything other than a strong return given it doesn’t own a first-round pick in one of the best drafts in years.

The fact Port have missed lost out to Adelaide for Isaac Cumming and are set to lose to Collingwood for Harry Perryman also complicates matters.

This isn’t viewed as an Alex Neale-Bullen situation given Houston’s motivation for moving to a Melbourne-based club is largely motivated by a Melbourne-based girlfriend. He has also stated his love for Port Adelaide and his teammates.

But if Houston is steadfast on getting to Carlton given his friendship with Jack Silvagni and working relationship with Michael Voss, there is a lot of work to do.
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I sincerely hope that the footy Gods are looking down on Port and they get totally screwed with whatever trade goes down for Houston.

Karma for their underhanded and slimey tactics with JHF.
 
wandering123 said:
Trade preview: Where key targets sit, Roos’ triple play, Tigers’ haul

North Melbourne is eyeing a bumper triple play in this year’s trade period to help the club rise up in Alastair Clarkson’s third year as coach.

The Kangaroos spoke with Western Bulldogs’ playmaker Caleb Daniel last week and are expected to land Sydney Swans’ veteran Luke Parker, 31, and West Coast forward Jack Darling, 32, next month.

Port Adelaide defender Dan Houston is also on the Kangaroos’ radar, however the dual All-Australian may yet nominate Carlton as his preferred new ho
me.

Daniel, 28, is yet to decide whether he will pursue a move from the kennel, following jet ballwinners Bailey Smith (Geelong) and Jack Macrae (St Kilda) out the door.

Daniel is expected to make a call on his future this week after talks with the Kangaroos on their vision for the next few seasons and the Dogs about his spot in the side.

The Dogs could demand a second-round pick for Daniel who played 16 games this year including his best performances in the last three games of the season.

In particular, Daniel’s excellent kicking skills would help North’s ball movement in the back half and middle part of the ground after 10 years at the Dogs

North would be thrilled to land Daniel and Parker to bolster their contested ball winning and ball movement, while Darling would allow gun tall Charlie Comben to stay in defence.

But the Dogs would hold the upper hand in any trade talks on Daniel’s future as he is contracted on a deal worth about $700,000 until the end of 2026.

The Dogs can also afford to keep Daniel, who is a popular team member, as the departures of Smith and Macrae clear up significant salary cap space for the club.

The Kangaroos also have significant salary cap room and want some top-line established talent to help the club lift out of the AFL doldrums after years at the bottom.

Parker, who played a defensive forward role on star Lion Harris Andrews in the grand final, is expected to depart the Swans following an exit meeting with the club over the next two days.

His toughness, consistency, leadership and experience are being targeted by North on a lucrative multi-year deal while Darling could help Nick Larkey in attack.

Parker spent the start of the season on the sidelines after a pre-season injury and had to bide his time in the VFL and will face a significant fight to secure a spot in the Swans’ senior side next year.

Teammate Taylor Adams was also left out of the premiership decider and is intent on breaking back into the seniors after his trade from Collingwood last year.

The Kangaroos could land Darling and Parker with late third and fourth-round picks, but would have to part with a top 25 pick to land the contracted Daniel.

Clarkson’s men have pick number two in the draft and are considering splitting that selection for two later choices in the first round.

The Roos have been linked to the best defender in this year’s draft class, Luke Trainor, who has family links to North Melbourne and is a keen Roos’ fan.

He is expected to be taken late in the first 10 selections, meaning the Roos could slide back from pick two to take him and have another late first-round pick to trade.

North Melbourne was interested in Melbourne hard nut Jack Viney but the Demon decided to stay, meaning the Roos set their sights on Parker.

Smith is expected to nominate Geelong as his preferred new home this week.

The Cats are also eyeing Jack Martin, from Carlton, is holidaying on Gold Coast amid interest from Fremantle as well.

Martin is set to decide on his new club this week amid frustrations with the way his injuries were managed at the Blues this year.

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No way he is worth a 2nd rounder even if he wasn't on big money for the next 2 years.
 
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