Game Day 2024 Trade Period - Lian Yu - that liminal space between trade and draft.

[stax on the mull]

Maybe the puzzling thing about Worner is that he was described as a "hard working wingman from Oakleigh Chargers" when we drafted him, and he started playing for Peel on the wing, but we seem to have made him play as a half back during a time when players who could play wing in our 1sts were scarce, and still are to some extent.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Maybe the puzzling thing about Worner is that he was described as a "hard working wingman from Oakleigh Chargers" when we drafted him, and he started playing for Peel on the wing, but we seem to have made him play as a half back during a time when players who could play wing in our 1sts were scarce, and still are to some extent.

I think it was hard to tell what some players were after covid as they had barely played in two years.

 

[thistimeforsure]

If we lose Knobel to bring in bloody sparkle Narkle and the season ahead doesn’t pan out the way we are all hoping the whole lot of the “ our time is now fools “ need to be ****’d off immediately if not sooner

It’s like they are so desperate to be proven right about the 2 rucks in your top 10 paid players isn’t stupid narrative they refuse to contemplate any other outcome


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[pK75]

Are we decreasing to 6 because of LTI or AFL rule change I missed?

LTI, you are only allowed 6 max, we had 7 because Voss was replacing Corbett who was inactive.

 

[freo_leo29]

Maybe the puzzling thing about Worner is that he was described as a "hard working wingman from Oakleigh Chargers" when we drafted him, and he started playing for Peel on the wing, but we seem to have made him play as a half back during a time when players who could play wing in our 1sts were scarce, and still are to some extent.

Too slow for a wing role at AFL level probably

He is basically Hughes replacement

 

[CapitalA]

Sam Menegola says hi.

Yeah but Geelong found him and they have already had Narkle...so probably not gonna happen like that. Also From what I have seen Narkle is not classy, he is more like a Banfield.

 

[stax on the mull]

Too slow for a wing role at AFL level probably

Well O'Meara isn't quick, though I did witness on two occasions this year he did attempt to accelerate away from a chaser and just manage it, but only for about 2 metres.

 

[theGav56]

If he comes good hopefully we extend him, but unless Darcy really is shot it’s not the end of the world if he leaves.

If Darcy is shot, Knobel may get his chance.

The club has positioned itself so that chance goes to Reidy, not Knobel.

 

[theGav56]

While I understand your sentiment, I think Jones will surprise a few if he gets a decent run at it. He's got the size, power and combativeness you'd want to see in a big forward.

Pretty difficult to show anything when you are sitting in rehab.

How does Odin compare to Gerreyn?

 

[freo_leo29]

Well O'Meara isn't quick, though I did witness on two occasions this year he did attempt to accelerate away from a chaser and just manage it, but only for about 2 metres.

O'Meara is a great example, he is no good on the wing

 

[Suma Says]

Started with 36 Main

7 Rookie

2 Cat B


36- 5 (Tabs, Hughes, Emmett, Knobel, Corbett) + 1 Bolton = 32 on Main

7 - 2 (Kuek, Stanley) + 1 (Knobel) = 6

2 - 1 (Conrad) = 1

So we have 4 main list spots, 0 rookies and 1 Cat B spot

One thing id add to this is youre allowed a total of 44 players between your main list and Cat A rookies. Allowed between 38-40 on main list, and between 4-6 on Cat A list, up to the maximum of 44. (EFA)

Plus 2x Cat B rookies on top of that bringing grand total to 46.

Last year by your count we went with 43 players (36 main, 7 rookie).

Unless im forgetting something we should have one extra spot on our list

 

[Paracleet]

One thing id add to this is youre allowed a total of 44 players between your main list and Cat A rookies. Allowed between 38-40 on main list, and between 4-6 on Cat A list, up to the maximum of 44. (EFA)

Plus 2x Cat B rookies on top of that bringing grand total to 46.

Last year by your count we went with 43 players (36 main, 7 rookie).

Unless im forgetting something we should have one extra spot on our list

That's the pre covid rules. Now it's 42 list max plus two cat Bs.

 

[freo_leo29]

One thing id add to this is youre allowed a total of 44 players between your main list and Cat A rookies. Allowed between 38-40 on main list, and between 4-6 on Cat A list, up to the maximum of 44. (EFA)

Plus 2x Cat B rookies on top of that bringing grand total to 46.

Last year by your count we went with 43 players (36 main, 7 rookie).

Unless im forgetting something we should have one extra spot on our list

List sizes have been cut since Covid

You can have 42 now

We had 43 as Corbett was placed on the LTI and replaced with an extra rookie


Basically every club will run 6 rookies as you get an extra ~85K~ out of the cap per rookie spot, sometimes clubs can't manoeuvre their list and end up running a rookie short but its rare nowadays

 

[Superkoops]

Are we decreasing to 6 because of LTI or AFL rule change I missed?

Voss was chosen as LTI replacement for Corbett or Kuek. They also trialed that little bloke Max Beattie and Van Rooyen. They then decided against adding another and instead kept a spot open for MSD. At the MSD Kuek was recovering well so allowed him to come back and play some games with Peel and ended up opting out of MSD.

42 is max between primary list and Cat-A rookies. Max primary is 38 and max rookie is 6. We usually go 36-6. When we submit our final lists we need to be 36-6. So we have to cull an extra from Rookie list.

Currently we have one spot on Rookie Cat-A which will go to Knobel. As others have mentioned Worner is an option to be upgraded (he may have been already). Alternatively Narkle could be DFA. I’d prefer Narkle (better still Jack Carroll) as SSP. So upgrade Worner or Sharp even. Save that last spot for SSP.

 

[Taylor]

I wonder if Knobel can spend five years on the rookie list way to develop his body assuming he doesn't play those ten games or whatever threshold the AFL set

 

[ilikepotatoes]

The disposal was too big an issue to overcome in the end. You can't be missing uncontested handpasses to a running team mate under WAFL pressure.

Seems a few small forward options throughout the draft so hopefully we plan to nab one somewhere. Wouldn't be hard to produce what Emmett could give pretty quickly for a good draft pick.

Yep that's why I kind of get it too.

I just hope we see more pressure out of Frederick and Bolton than what I anticipate - and that it we draft a small they have pressure as a feature of their game.

 

[Ge3ks]

Also From what I have seen Narkle is not classy, he is more like a Banfield.

So... he is classy then.

 

[tenderwarrior]

Sam Menegola says hi.

He was delisted by three!

 

[Docker82]

List sizes have been cut since Covid

You can have 42 now

We had 43 as Corbett was placed on the LTI and replaced with an extra rookie


Basically every club will run 6 rookies as you get an extra ~85K~ out of the cap per rookie spot, sometimes clubs can't manoeuvre their list and end up running a rookie short but its rare nowadays

We always run with six rookies but more clubs run with less than you think.

Adelaide 38-4
Brisbane 38-4
Carlton 36-6
Collingwood 36-6
Essendon 38-4
Freo 36-7*
Geelong 38-4
Gold Coast 38-7*
GWS 36-6
Hawthorn 37-6*
Melbourne 36-6
North 37-7*
Port 38-4
Richmond 36-6
St Kilda 38-4
Sydney 36-6
West Coast 37-5
Western Bulldogs 37-5

FWIW North and Gold Coast have list concessions allowing for extra rookies. Hawthorn was the same situation as us with a player ruled out for season and replaced by a SSP.

 

[Purple Suit]

If we lose Knobel to bring in bloody sparkle Narkle and the season ahead doesn’t pan out the way we are all hoping the whole lot of the “ our time is now fools “ need to be ****’d off immediately if not sooner

It’s like they are so desperate to be proven right about the 2 rucks in your top 10 paid players isn’t stupid narrative they refuse to contemplate any other outcome


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Not sure losing a zero game, late pick in a position he is 4th in line for requires a full meltdown but you do you.

 

[WilloTree]

If we lose Knobel to bring in bloody sparkle Narkle and the season ahead doesn’t pan out the way we are all hoping the whole lot of the “ our time is now fools “ need to be ****’d off immediately if not sooner

It’s like they are so desperate to be proven right about the 2 rucks in your top 10 paid players isn’t stupid narrative they refuse to contemplate any other outcome


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Knobel is going on to the RL. Calm down.

 

[WilloTree]

If that happens I’ll be shit wild.
Reidy should’ve been the one to be delisted

Huh..What? Why?

 

[thistimeforsure]

Not sure losing a zero game, late pick in a position he is 4th in line for requires a full meltdown but you do you.

It’s a cumulative effect


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[thistimeforsure]

Knobel is going on to the RL. Calm down.

Better off dumping him than making him a lifetime FA otherwise we are just building him up for a competitor Lord Meek style

Bring in an 18yr old to play Peel ressies


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[Docker82]

Not sure losing a zero game, late pick in a position he is 4th in line for requires a full meltdown but you do you.

If Knobel was to be picked up be someone especially we’d almost certainly need to draft another ruck. An 18 year old drafted as a rookie or a mature ager that’s basically like Reidy anyway certainly isn’t ideal for our list. The other option would be to try join what the media call the ruck merry-go-round when Reidy eventually leaves us - I have no confidence this would land us a decent back up though.

A few years ago we used to delist and re-rookie contracted players. Other clubs are still doing it. The club is too nice to have that conversation with say Oscar McDonald these days. Also think we’re too nice to have a conversation with Karl Worner and tell him we’re not upgrading him anymore - No confirmation we’re upgrading him though. Not doing either of those two things is why we’re delisting Knobel - we’re not doing to place Narkle on the senior list. He’ll still be SSP and won’t give a **** as long as he has an AFL contract.

There’s a lot of what ifs about this post and tbh I think Pick 9 in the Rookie Draft will get Knobel back on our list anyway. It’d be interesting what the back up plan would be if Knobel was selected by someone else though. I just think McDonald is both less needed and less likely to be taken - also think there’s a few delisted KPDs across the competition that could take his role on the list if the club even thinks it’s required (Draper has come a long way since we recruited McDonald).

Think Knobel actually belongs on the Rookie list and the lifetime DFA doesn’t really concern me tbh. I’d back the club to not lose Reidy and Knobel at the same time assuming Knobel is on our list this time next month.