List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.2

[gringo2011]

Look, amongst friends, we have made mistakes. A lot of that can only be identified once the mistake is obvious. 2016-2017 looked promising, so we handed Richo an extension. Trac is high maintenance. Easy in hindsight, especially when the prevailing wisdom in the mid to late 2010s was back your guy in (ask Hardwick and Buckley).

None of that is relevant to the structural inequities that make the mountain steeper than it should be. We get Elwood Peckett and he turns out great this year: wonderful. Doesn't change the issue which the league should fix. We give succour to those who want to keep us in what they see as our rightful place if we nod our heads when we say "the system is broken" and they come back with "Clark and Coffield before Naughton".

Part of the reason Collingwood succeed is they do not accept being put in a corner. It's the great Eddie legacy at that place. And it's a decision. It's the added benefit of backing our leadership in when they call out the brokenness of the system.

Having said that, get the players in, coach 'em up, and ensure the players know they're the ones for whom the responsibility lies for success.

It was obvious to me. We were bluffing for years. Still think Finnis was the worst thing that happened to us. He was totally disinterested in improving the football department and went full austerity. He completely ignored poor performance as long as they asked for nothing.


Collingwood blew themselves up by hiring an idiot who burst their cap and lost them players. They didn't whinge, they topped up with guys from the state leagues and iunloved talent that was low profile but under-utilised. Geelong are good at it too.

The AFL need to clean up the rules no doubt but 90% of our wounds were totally self inflicted. We are still trying to bypass the hard slow stuff for little cheats that might come off but so far have set us backwards. Essendon have done the same thing. The zigged when they should have zagged and paid up for high profile trades to hide from poor drafting. Dogs and Melbourne won flags with the same impediments as us.

 

[Train12]

Apparently we are into Ned Reeves? [from a saints Facebook group]
25 years old ?

 

[gringo2011]

North obviously couldn't squeeze the best out of Taylor but maybe we have the structures in place to do so .... and the connections?

He has the skills to make it but seems to be that the desire is lacking ... maybe its a North problem ... but we seem to think that we can turn him around

Also he slid in his draft year as there were question marks around his "application at training"

More interesting though is comments from him below ....

“I was in the (AFL) Academy with Tarryn (Thomas) and Bailey Scott, so I had a relationship with them already.

“Mason Wood is someone that I have been friends with for a while, so he has helped as well.”

Well ... there we have it ... the possible connection as to why we have some interest

Can he be developed into a HF Fritsch type ... too nimble for talls and too strong for smalls .... guess we will know soon enough

Warnie's nephew. He's Saints royalty.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Mason Wood

32

Mason Wood

Age

31

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.3

2star

D

8.3

2star

K

2.7

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.3

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

is like one of those racehorse companion ponies ..... he needs to be around for other players to perform at their best

 

[Miha]

Apparently we are into Ned Reeves? [from a saints Facebook group]
25 years old ?

They don’t get much taller than Reeves

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Warnie's nephew. He's Saints royalty.

Did Taylor follow the Saints?

 

[gringo2011]

Apparently we are into Ned Reeves? [from a saints Facebook group]
25 years old ?

He's a pretty average ruck but he's young enough to have a big jump still. Probably tracking similar to someone like Pittonet at a similar age. Maybe a Campbell replacement.

 

[gubby88]

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[gringo2011]

Did Taylor follow the Saints?

Don't actually know to tell you the truth.

 

[gringo2011]

Just a little reminder to take profiles with a grain of salt. They have to be kind.

Early on he played a couple of scintillating games and looked a future star. North has rubbed the excitement out of a few. Stephenson went there as the most exciting young player in the comp and instantly turned into a shell of the player he was. He was an energy setter who thrived on big crowds. They neutered him.

 

[gubby88]

Early on he played a couple of scintillating games and looked a future star. North has rubbed the excitement out of a few. Stephenson went there as the most exciting young player in the comp and instantly turned into a shell of the player he was. He was an energy setter who thrived on big crowds. They neutered him.

so he's Norfs billings??

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[Sarcoidevo]

Early on he played a couple of scintillating games and looked a future star. North has rubbed the excitement out of a few. Stephenson went there as the most exciting young player in the comp and instantly turned into a shell of the player he was. He was an energy setter who thrived on big crowds. They neutered him.

Maybe they are all still pining for Mason?

Since Mason left North they have finished 18th 18th 17th 17th .... coincidence?

 

[Sarcoidevo]

so he's Norfs billings??

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Mason can rebuild him

 

[Sarcoidevo]

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His head and neck must be at least 2 foot

 

[ScrappyDo]

Curtis Taylor draft profile

Curtis Taylor​

Height: 186cm
Weight: 79kg
D.O.B: 06-04-2000
DRAFT ANALYSIS: “An energetic medium forward who is strong overhead and has serious match-winning capabilities”
Leagues: AFL U18 Championships, Coates Talent League Boys

OVERVIEW
Curtis Taylor is a player who has all the pieces of the puzzle, it is just a case of putting them together. The exciting half-forward is rated anywhere between the top 10 and second round. There is little doubt he has the capability of turning a match on its head, kicking multiple goals in a short space of time, but it is just that consistency that has not quite developed, to do it on a week-by-week basis. Taylor has quite a few party tricks in his arsenal and in terms of player comparisons, he is not too dissimilar to Jordan De Goey in the way that he can dominate in the air or at ground level and just outsmart and outmuscle his opponent. He has had some amazing highlights this season, but has also had some quiet games, and for Taylor, it is about closing the gap between his best and worst as to how far he can go with his AFL career.

STRENGTHS

• Vertical Jump
• X-factor
• Scoreboard impact
• Overhead marking
• One-on-ones

There is no doubt Taylor is a special player. He is strong in the air or at ground level, has that great goal sense that worry his opponents into fumbling or making errors in the forward 50, while also having that innate term everyone loves to use, called X-factor. Taylor is exciting, he has a great vertical jump which saw him record a 76cm running vertical jump in the pre-season testing and it is clear when he gets a jump at it, his strong overhead ability and cleanliness with one-grab marking makes it very difficult for defenders to spoil. He has multiple ways of conquering goals, both from leading out, dropping back or crumbing a taller forward, and his versatility within the forward 50 has him as one of the most touted forwards in the draft crop.
Taylor has also spent time in the midfield, however as his endurance still needs to improve, he has predominantly done his best work inside 50. His kicking can be hit and miss at times, but his ability to create a scoring opportunity out of nothing in the forward half is what adds to his ability. He backs himself to win one-on-ones against any opponent and is that challenging player to match-up on because he is too nimble for taller players, and too strong for smaller defenders. Taylor is the type that will excite fans at the next level due to his ceiling and what he is capable of when he is "on".

IMPROVEMENTS

• Endurance
• Consistency

For all of Taylor's exciting traits, there are still improvements to be made to his game. The first is building his endurance, which is still a working progress. He recorded 20.4 on the Yo-yo test in the pre-season, and spent more time in the forward 50 arc compared to the midfield for this fact. His endurance is another reason why his consistency is an issue, with Taylor floating in and out of games at times. In the final two games of the season against the Geelong Falcons, Taylor had a quiet start in Round 16, before kicking a couple of late goals in the final term. In the Wild Card Round, Taylor started strongly, but faded out of the game, albeit copping a knock in the final term. It is bridging the gap between his high production and low production games that is the biggest thing for Taylor going forward.

DRAFT PROJECTION: 10-30

SUMMARY
Curtis Taylor is a forward who can pinch hit as a midfielder and win a game off his own boot. He has the X-factor, the vertical leap, the strength overhead or at ground level, and the goal sense to have an impact early on in his AFL career inside 50. He does have to work on his endurance and build into four-quarter games, with some impressive quarters, and some quiet quarters, but he has all the tools to become a very damaging player at the top level. While he could go as high as top 10 or as low as second round, expect him to land at a club somewhere in between, with recruiters drafting him on future scope rather than current production - although his current production is still very impressive. One to watch long-term and enjoy with his highlight reel no doubt one to watch.

Here's me confusing thes guy for Paul Curtis.

I'm noticing a trend here.
We get linked to a player we like ie Tomlinson, then we link to an alternative like Laverde.
We get linked to Peatling, now we are linked to Curtis.
The short story is that we need to sure up a few areas with senior players that come pretty cheap. List management are just doing their job and the media seem to link us to every spud going around. Remember that Sheil guy? What happened to him...

 

[Hubnester]

“Mason Wood is someone that I have been friends with for a while, so he has helped as well.”

Well ... there we have it ... the possible connection as to why we have some interest

Can he be developed into a HF Fritsch type ... too nimble for talls and too strong for smalls .... guess we will know soon enough

Honestly I respect Mase enough to be convinced, if he's the one telling our blokes to ask the question...
Would just about trust his call over a recruiting team!

 

[gringo2011]

so he's Norfs billings??

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He looked exciting more than Billings. Billings was always a bit off a clean cut vanilla bean. More like a De Goey type that jumps up on shoulders. He's more the type to do a few flash things and then disappear. Looks like he struggles to focus a bit. On natural talent he's worth picking up for a late pick. Probably similar to a younger Higgins if we are comparing to a Saint but much better jump.

 

[Saints4ever]

Wouldn’t mind a tall ruck.
Yes please to Ned Reeves

 

[gringo2011]

Here's me confusing thes guy for Paul Curtis.

I'm noticing a trend here.
We get linked to a player we like ie Tomlinson, then we link to an alternative like Laverde.
We get linked to Peatling, now we are linked to Curtis.
The short story is that we need to sure up a few areas with senior players that come pretty cheap. List management are just doing their job and the media seem to link us to every spud going around. Remember that Sheil guy? What happened to him...

Paul Curtis looks more like an electric small forward. Taylor is more a Higgins type inbetweener.

 

[StCicatriz]

lack judicious?

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That's how GC feel about him

 

[StCicatriz]

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Dude looks like Blake acres older step brother. The one who's dad was an alcoholic and beat the kids

 

[StCicatriz]

Honestly I respect Mase enough to be convinced, if he's the one telling our blokes to ask the question...
Would just about trust his call over a recruiting team!

Came in to say the same. What he plays like now isn't his ceiling.

 

[gringo2011]

Dude looks like Blake acres older step brother. The one who's dad was an alcoholic and beat the kids

He is an okay ruckman but he should dominate at that size. There is a bit of Tim Elliott about him but hopefully develops with age.

 

[Hubnester]

Not sure where the Reeves talk is coming from but I see he signed a 3-year deal last year. Played 21 games in 2023 but only 4 this year - not sure if through injury or just being overtaken by someone else. Just based on the stats it looks like they played 2 rucks for most of 2023 but went just one for most of 2024 - so that might be a factor in whether they're willing to move him on, and what kind of price tag they put on him.

 

[luca77]

Pretty sure Port will be wanting more than a pick in the teens for Houston

This is a draft I think everyone will be trying to get into, esp with Tassie on the horizon. I sure hope we aren't silly enough to get out of it - even if it's with an extra Battle pick. Would be nice to have Houston for a few years, but hope we go young.