List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.2

[Armoooo]

unfair comparison, sixers have at least been in the hunt for the past 3 or so years! more of a port comparison (or dogs with their off field bs), but things are looking up for the coming season, PG, embiid, maxey, no harris, the nurse... might finally come good

There are some similarities:

• The Kawaii three bounce match winner to the Milne bounce
• Number 1 draft picks being injury busts
• GM using burner accounts on social media to trash their enemies within the organisation (Colangilo v Embiid, Pelchen v Lyon)
• Losing all momentum in key post-season matches (sixers set off the confetti too early which caused a 30 minute delay, saints fans running onto the field for Gtrains 100th / drawn grand final)
• Multiple coaches getting shitcanned before returning to a proven veteran coach in the last 2 years

But agreed, hopefully with PG we can finally get out of the second round

 

[Ricmel]

also we probably bought low right? hopefully a savvy bit of list management

It is St Kilda we are talking about.

Unless King's management were somehow threatening to look elsewhere, it is hard to make any case for going beyond 2030. Really, not sure why they were looking beyond 2028/29 but let's give them the doubt. Why did they need to push to 8 years?

It just feels like Saints have set themselves up for a massive face palm. A lot has to go right to make this good list management.

 

[TheJackal]

Our F1 + 27 for 9 simply can't happen - that's a bad deal for the club.

Our F1 next year is probably pick 5-11, we can't be giving Essendon potentially an even better first round pick next year plus a free second round pick just to get more into this year's draft. We have the negotiating power because we have the ability to bid on Kako, and we need to take advantage of that

We would basically be swapping out 1st and 2nd round picks. It would be F1 + 27 for 9 & F2.

9 in a strong deep draft vs 9-15 in a shallow draft dominated by academy and father sons.

I've not heard it from anywhere but here, so don't get too worked up about it - chances are it won't come to fruition anyway - unless Shiel and Laverde are thrown in (lol just kidding).

 

[Joffaboy]

Our F1 + 27 for 9 simply can't happen - that's a bad deal for the club.

Our F1 next year is probably pick 5-11, we can't be giving Essendon potentially an even better first round pick next year plus a free second round pick just to get more into this year's draft. We have the negotiating power because we have the ability to bid on Kako, and we need to take advantage of that

Dont underestimate the intransigence and stupidity of Essendon. Dodoro is gone but the DNA remains.
Next years draft is hugely compromised by NGA's and FS and I think we will go better next year than this. We have to back ourselves that it will be a pick further out than 9.

They have to have 27 so they can match Kako. What comes back is anyone business.

What 7+8+9 does is open up endless possibilities, and I have confidence SOS can do better with more than what he did last year (3 spots down for a future 2nd and still got Wilson whom we wanted).

 

[akaifu]

Think of it this way, the top 10 Players in the draft this year could be Pick 1 next year.

The talent drops off and the first round will be absolutely smashed by Northern Academies (GC & Brisbane have so many coming through next year), Father sons(Collingwood have another first rounder) and Compo picks (Richmond pick 2 for Balta)

Pick 5 next year would probably be worth pick 10 in this year's draft not all drafts are created equal.

I mean, people were saying this last year too - this year's draft was initially thought as "not as strong" as last year and now its being made out to be a super draft

Its too hard to predict the quality of a draft a year out. All we can do is assume its similar and base decisions off that

 

[jumperfan]

Please let this happen

 

[TheJackal]

Please let this happen

Can we start a go fund me and lobby the AFL to put that contract outside of the salary cap... this could be our only chance!

 

[_Maximus_12]

It is St Kilda we are talking about.

Unless King's management were somehow threatening to look elsewhere, it is hard to make any case for going beyond 2030. Really, not sure why they were looking beyond 2028/29 but let's give them the doubt. Why did they need to push to 8 years?

It just feels like Saints have set themselves up for a massive face palm. A lot has to go right to make this good list management.

Heavily front loaded deal that secures AT worst a key forward who kicks 40 a year and allows us to focus on the development of other areas of our game, list management?
Brisbane just won a flag with Eric Hipwood on a long term deal, Bulldogs won with Tom Boyd, etc.
nothing wrong with it

 

[Armoooo]

I think those suggesting the trading in of 9 for our future first and our 2nd rounder are over complicating the Kako bid.

I think its more likely that it comes to draft night and Essendon give us a Future 2nd to move up one spot to Pick 8 and get in front of the bid - exactly the same as what Giants did.

Thank you, this makes so much more sense than any convoluted trades involving our future first and pick 26.

When we get to pick 8, Essendon have a choice:

Kako and Pick 8
Or
Kako and next years 2nd rounder

They can't have all 3.

 

[sasaint]

You think Kako would be in a similar situation to Henry?

He is arguably the best small in this draft. He apparently was dominating Essendon match sim 12 months ago when spending a few weeks with them.

To really wind up the pressure on the Dons, what if we trade Collard to the Weagles for their F1 so as to open up a list spot for a small forward. I can see the sweat breaking out in the Dons bunker now.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Please let this happen

ever?

 

[sufficientintent]

Dont underestimate the intransigence and stupidity of Essendon. Dodoro is gone but the DNA remains.
Next years draft is hugely compromised by NGA's and FS and I think we will go better next year than this. We have to back ourselves that it will be a pick further out than 9.

They have to have 27 so they can match Kako. What comes back is anyone business.

What 7+8+9 does is open up endless possibilities, and I have confidence SOS can do better with more than what he did last year (3 spots down for a future 2nd and still got Wilson whom we wanted).

That's fair - I only meant it can't happen in the sense that Essendon's F2 would have to come back.

But I will trust all you wise gents on the strength of this year's draft vs next! F1 + 27 for 9 and F2 doesn't look too bad in that case. Would obviously love SOS and Misson to push for more, but I'd also like to avoid becoming the newest Essendon/Geelong type club in being awful to deal with

 

[Armoooo]

To really wind up the pressure on the Dons, what if we trade Collard to the Weagles for their F1 so as to open up a list spot for a small forward. I can see the sweat breaking out in the Dons bunker now.

I know it's tongue in cheek, but if we offered Collard for West Coasts future first we might actually get banned from trade negotiations all together

 

[Ricmel]

it would be a truly epic position to be in. Next draft and trade, we are looking at FA, so it is not really a huge risk.

Totally agree. If we could use next year's 1st to get this year's pick 9 would do it in a heart beat. 7,8,9,25 in what is shaping as a super draft. Not sure Bombers would have any interest though - I wouldn't if I was them.

 

[Joffaboy]

Thank you, this makes so much more sense than any convoluted trades involving our future first and pick 26.

When we get to pick 8, Essendon have a choice:

Kako and Pick 8
Or
Kako and next years 2nd rounder

They can't have all 3.

How does a second rounder in a supposed weak draft, already heavily compromised by NGA's, FS and FA help us in any way?

 

[saintbill]

Calling something insanely reckless is a prediction that it will bad. Like, how is that even questionable?

Exaggeration of potential contracts was referencing all the proposed trillion dollar offers the media throw around with no actual proof. If you actually believe we just approached Merrett out of the blue offering him 1.5 a year for 6 years then I have a harbour bridge to sell you. I dont know why you thought I was questioning the validity of a media released contract like King's.

Claiming that the Battle issue is going to influence players coming is quite literally straight out of Kane Cornes mouth along with long contract issues. And yes, the media absolutely do find it favourable to shit talk us as it gets clicks and engagement. Unlike you, I dont let it form my opinion (not fact buddy, just opinion) so unquestionably.

You don't need to forsee the future to call something reckless. It's basic risk and return. You make decisions based on the information at hand. We are inviting significant additional risk for very little additional upside. Sorry, but that is a bizarre take.

I don't even know why you are even talking about Merrett. Have not mentioned him once, has no relevance to anything.

Finally, on the last point, I have not even heard Cornes take on Battle. Even if he has the same view as me, so what? I am just blindly parroting the media whilst your views are your own critical analysis? That seems like a fairly arrogant stance to take.

If you go back to previous posts of mine, I have been critical of the Battle take right from the moment of hearing the club ignored his contribution at the b & f. I don't exactly have Cornes personal number to dial him up and get the scoop before he actually discusses it.

I have been consistent on this issue from the outset. I thinks its really poor, the club needs to be marketing us as an employer of choice. Player managers/parents of players, they are paying attention. Inviting poor publicitiy is just bad business.

Anyway, not sure we will reach any common ground here so happy to call it a day

 

[Ricmel]

Heavily front loaded deal that secures AT worst a key forward who kicks 40 a year and allows us to focus on the development of other areas of our game, list management?
Brisbane just won a flag with Eric Hipwood on a long term deal, Bulldogs won with Tom Boyd, etc.
nothing wrong with it

We know what it is. We just don't know why. Why sign up 3 years you probably didn't need to sign up for? Unless King becomes a 70 goal forward, no one is going to be chasing him hard at age 29/30.

No one is chasing Hipwood, he's the walking embodiment of a potato. Tom Boyd was a terrible deal other than for 3 games.

It is jumping at shadows.

 

[Significant]

How does a second rounder in a supposed weak draft, already heavily compromised by NGA's, FS and FA help us in any way?

Look, if we wanted to be real d*cks about it, we could ask for their F1st, but it's for a one pick upgrade in this draft, and the precedent has been set by GWS last year (albeit at Pick 17/18).

It's a free 2nd round pick next year to move down a space.. who is saying no?

 

[saintbill]

Our F1 + 27 for 9 simply can't happen - that's a bad deal for the club.

Our F1 next year is probably pick 5-11, we can't be giving Essendon potentially an even better first round pick next year plus a free second round pick just to get more into this year's draft. We have the negotiating power because we have the ability to bid on Kako, and we need to take advantage of that

I would do that deal. Pick 7,8,9 gets you 2 gun mids and probably the best key forward in the draft. Would rather get an extra year into a kid now, with a view to us potentially contending 2026.

 

[Joffaboy]

Hopefully everyone knows this is just spitballing. I doubt any trade for Essendon occurs, However I do believe that the possibility will be investigated by us.

 

[Spider Eater]

Our F1 + 27 for 9 simply can't happen - that's a bad deal for the club.

Our F1 next year is probably pick 5-11, we can't be giving Essendon potentially an even better first round pick next year plus a free second round pick just to get more into this year's draft. We have the negotiating power because we have the ability to bid on Kako, and we need to take advantage of that

I agree with the future 1st, surely if next year's draft has a shallow spread then the top 10 picks would be worth more then this year... and historically we are a 25% chance of having pick 1 next year, so you would want to be confident that we do well and are not giving up more then pick 12 etc.

Not to mention we have interest in Aleer and Callaghan who are more likely then LDU types and will require trading for.

 

[sufficientintent]

I would do that deal. Pick 7,8,9 gets you 2 gun mids and probably the best key forward in the draft. Would rather get an extra year into a kid now, with a view to us potentially contending 2026.

You wouldn't expect Dons F2 in return?

Agree otherwise, 7/8/9 is a stupidly good draft hand

 

[Ricmel]

Look, if we wanted to be real d*cks about it, we could ask for their F1st, but it's for a one pick upgrade in this draft, and the precedent has been set by GWS last year (albeit at Pick 17/18).

It's a free 2nd round pick next year to move down a space.. who is saying no?

in this situation, how are Essendon committed to taking Kako? Let's say we did your deal. Lets say at pick 7 there is Kako and Smillie. What is to stop Bombers flipping it on us and taking Smillie?

Anything?

 

[Half Back Pocket]

I would do that deal. Pick 7,8,9 gets you 2 gun mids and probably the best key forward in the draft. Would rather get an extra year into a kid now, with a view to us potentially contending 2026.

Just keep bringing forward our future firsts until 2027, the Tassie draft. That will be compromised.

 

[sufficientintent]

Hopefully everyone knows this is just spitballing. I doubt any trade for Essendon occurs, However I do believe that the possibility will be investigated by us.

Just let me spiral and mentally commit to scenarios that will never happen Joff