List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[Ciccio]

According to Riley Beveridge, GWS are interested in Jack Carroll as a potential delisted free agent.

I'm assuming this is probably to cover for some depth that they just lost. Still think we should retain him if possible.

 

[gbatman]

I think we would keep Carroll now. We could do with the depth, wait and see if he improves his game and maybe he is worth a late pick at the end of next year.

I was actually really impressed with the footy Carroll played at half back at the end of last season and suprised we did not persist with that in finals. But we lost our mind when it came to team selection then.

I think we persist with Carroll as a half back and that way he has a way of making it as a good player in that role and he stays as midfield depth.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

I’d love Tomlinson as a DFA for defensive depth

 

[gbatman]

I’d love Tomlinson as a DFA for defensive depth

Not a bad idea. Do we let Sam Durdin go for Tomlinson?

McGovern and Haynes can't be expected to play every game next season.

That leaves Silvagni, Durdin and Young.

Do not want to move Kemp back there in those cases, need him forward.

 

[Bletch]

Current draft picks: 3, 38, 63, 68, 69, 72 (total points: 2938)

List changes:
Out: 7 - Domanic Akuei (Delisted), David Cuningham (Delisted), Caleb Marchbank (Delisted), Jack Martin (Delisted), Alex Mirkov (Delisted), Matt Owies (Trade - WCE), Matt Kennedy (Trade - WB)
In: 1 - Nick Haynes (GWS - UFA)
Uncontracted: 0
Retained SSP/MSD Players: 1 - Cooper Lord
Upgraded Rookie: 0

List status:
Senior - 32 (36-38)
Rookie - 6 (0-6)
Cat-B Rookie - 1 (0-2)
Total - 39 (44)

Free spots - 4 senior plus one Cat-B rookie

Note - Matt Duffy (Ireland) likely to take the free Cat-B rookie
Note 2 - Jordan Boyd (Rookie) needs to be upgraded, and will likely take one senior spot

Effective free spots - 3 senior, 1 rookie

As it stands, we can take 4 picks to the draft - 3, 38, 63, 68.

If we make 2 further cuts, we can take all 6 - 3, 38, 63, 68, 69, 72.

Those two delistings must come from Jack Carroll, Sam Durdin, and Matt Carroll, all who remain uncontracted. It can be any of these three, as it is limited by both (i) the maximum of 38 on the primary list; AND (ii) the maximum of 42 on primary+rookie (not counting Cat-B).

How we approach this will depend on what we intend to do with pick 38. "Pick Swap" trading opens tomorrow, so potentially, we could swap it out during that period (maybe for a future). Swapping it for an earlier pick will be difficult, as we don't have a lot of leverage to do so - unless we're prepared to move pick 3 down, which I think is highly unlikely.

There's a further opportunity to do a "live trade" of pick 38 on draft night.

Or, we can just leave it. In which case:
(i) a bid comes in for Ben Camporeale before our pick 38 (it won't be 38 by then, but wherever it is). In this case, pick 38 will be used for matching Ben, and we'll get a bit left over, probably enough for another pick in the 60s, but that will be a bit of a waste.
(ii) we just use it on Ben anyway - unlikely!!
(iii) we use it on another player available at that pick, and match bids on Ben and Lucas with the remaining picks.

It's a bit of a lottery as to whether a bid will come in or not. It's around the mark for where Ben should go. So you'd think we'd have some sort of plan to offload that pick. But who knows. It was a strange trade for us to make.

Let's look at where pick 38 is likely to end up. I posted this earlier:


Situation now:
Brisbane: 27, 34, 42, 43, 49, 60, 66
Essendon: 28, 31, 40, 46, 53, 54, 65
Gold Coast: 39, 41, 51, 61, 70, 76, 78

I'm still of the opinion Brisbane will down-trade 27, but let's say there's still two of their picks that come in before our 38, and both of those get consumed by the Ashcroft bid. Similarly, let's assume Essendon's first two picks go the same way (again, they could potentially downtrade). But that makes 4 picks that are consumed before ours. However, there are also picks inserted for Ashcroft, Lombard, Marshall and Kako. So 4 - 4 = 0. 38 stays at 38! It will not come in higher than that. It may come in a pick or two lower (39 or 40).

At pick 38, it's very much in the danger zone for a bid. It will then get consumed for matching Ben. We'll then have a 3rd pick at 63 (which will come in by quite a bit - maybe around 55). If a bid comes in for Lucas, we also grab that, otherwise, we'll rookie him, and potentially take a 4th selection in the draft.

Effectively though, unless we offload 38, we've probably traded Kennedy for pick 63 (~55), which is a bit sad imo.

Anyway, we'll know soon enough what further changes we make to the list. I expect 1-2 more delistings, probably Sam Durdin, then Matt Carroll. I think we keep Jack.

Edit/Addition:
Matching Bid after 38
Ok, say we get to use our pick 38 on another player, no bid came in for Ben. Yay! But he gets a bid at pick 39. Do we have enough to pay with our remaining picks?

Pick 39 is 446 points. With the F/S discount, that comes down to 257 points to match.

Our next pick is 63. But as discussed in the previous section above, by the time that bid comes in, it will have come in to around pick 55. Maybe even a little lower. Pick 55 nets us 207 points, leaving 50 points still owing. We then go to the following pick, currently 68. That will have come in to maybe 58 or 59. Pick 59 is 158 points, so we'll easily cover Ben with those two picks, and have a couple of picks spare (in fact the extra points will earn us another late pick ~65).

Those remaining picks will be enough to cover a bid on Lucas at about pick 42. It's not likely he gets a bid that high, and if he does, we take a small deficit on our 2025 round 3 selection.

Does that mean we can use one or more of those late picks to bundle with 38 to move 38 higher?
Possibly. If we move 38 higher, we'd have to recalculate the whole kaboodle based on a following bid. e.g. we get 34 from Brisbane. What if a bid on Ben comes at 35? Without going through the whole steps above, in that case, the same two picks 63, 68 (~55/59) would be sufficient to match. We'd have enough left over to match a bid on Lucas at about 46 or so.

If instead, we took away say pick 69, and used it to combine with 38 to move up the order, we'd still be fine matching Ben with 63 and 68. But if a bid came in on Lucas before 57, we'd have to take a small deficit into 2025. Any bid after 57 we can match for free.

Made some additions to this post to cover bid matching. Hope this helps! (And hope my calculations are good!)

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Not a bad idea. Do we let Sam Durdin go for Tomlinson?

McGovern and Haynes can't be expected to play every game next season.

That leaves Silvagni, Durdin and Young.

Do not want to move Kemp back there in those cases, need him forward.

That’s what I was thinking, Tomlinson in for Durdin - if he plays senior footy lovely, if he doesn’t he’s a good insurance policy

 

[TENACIOUS]

Ollie Hotton still unsigned at the Saints, worth a look if he’s delisted.

 

[Benaly28]

How many games do we think Lord, Moir, BCampo and Pick 3 play next year?

Lord should play every week.Moir once he builds a tank same.

B Campo maybe 5-6 games


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[TENACIOUS]

Looking at our list it’s a lot better than I thought it was.

If we can stay healthy, can’t see why we can’t contend for an AFL & VFL Premiership.

* players that can play multiple roles at AFL level.

Defenders
KPB: Weitering & Young
3rd Tall: McGovern*, Hayes, Silvagni* & Duffy
General: Cowan, Newman, M.Carroll,L.Camporeale, Cincotta* & Wilson
Small: Saad & Boyd

Midfield:
Ruck: TDK*, O’Keeffe & Pittonet
Inside: Cripps, Lord, Hewett & B.Camporeale
Balanced: Walsh, Cerra
Wing: Acres, Binns, O.Hollands*, Cottrell* & Docherty*

Forwards:
KPF: Curnow, McKay* & Lemmey
3rd Tall: Kemp* & Moir
General: E Hollands*, Williams* & Monahan
Small: Fogarty*, Motlop, Durdin & Fantasia

Draft:
Picks 3 & 38

Linked DFA:
KPD: Granger-Barass
KPF: McMahon & Foster

 

[gbatman]

Lord should play every week.Moir once he builds a tank same.

B Campo maybe 5-6 games


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Moir won't miss unless his preseason doesn't go well. A much better player than Fogarty, Cottrell, Fantasia even if half fit.

 

[gbatman]

Lord did something in two games none of our other mids do that we desperately lack. Leaves his man, covers ground quick and runs opposition players down. If Voss has any wits about him at all, Lord is a player he will be pushing to play senior football.

In his last game, Lord was only on the ground 62%. He had 7 tackles and 19 possessions. How anyone can be dropped after a game like that and considering our weaknesses is mind-boggling.

If Lord is not in Voss' favorites and becomes one of these players who can never get a game we can start talking about changing the coach. He is a player we need to be going to lengths to make sure he is in the side.

 

[bradfisher14]

Lord did something in two games none of our other mids do that we desperately lack. Leaves his man, covers ground quick and runs opposition players down. If Voss has any wits about him at all, Lord is a player he will be pushing to play senior football.

In his last game, Lord was only on the ground 62%. He had 7 tackles and 19 possessions. How anyone can be dropped after a game like that and considering our weaknesses is mind-boggling.

If Lord is not in Voss' favorites and becomes one of these players who can never get a game we can start talking about changing the coach. He is a player we need to be going to lengths to make sure he is in the side.

Hence the need to delist J. Carroll to make room for him.

 

[Red_man2008]

Breakout years coming for many of our developing kids imo. I feel we will see career years for;
OHollands
A Moir
C Lord
J Binns
TDK will also go to another level, something like his middle of the season but the entirety.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

????

He played key forward and got double teamed by Wilkie and friends. One of the best one on one defenders in the league. Can't wait till we have smalls who demand being defended so the blatant disrespectful double and triple teaming can stop.

Owies rarely even had a man on him, opposition defense's just doubled the threat. Cost them (opposition's) 30 goals over the season but probably saved way more being kicked by the good forwards....

Basically. Kemp didn't do nothing. He attracted 2-3 players every contest. Someone else has to stand up when that happens.

I said it about 50 pages back….i can see Kemp as our Pearce to Sticks and Duke….watch out

 

[katmanblue]

Hence the need to delist J. Carroll to make room for him.

Lord can stay on the rookie list for a season or two.

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[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Both Kemp and Carroll have shown tantalising glimpses of their talent, yet so many are quick to right them off.
Can we just give them a decent go ffs.
They’re not perennially injured like Cunners and Marchy were.
Let them flourish!

 

[bradfisher14]

Lord can stay on the rookie list for a season or two.

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Room in the team, not room on the list.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Been played out of position in roles that don't suite him. Cripps would be doing the same if played at full back or full forward.

He's an attacking weapon. Not a lockdown player. When we give him some freedom to hunt the footy we will see it all unfold. I think he is suited to half back flank, third tall forward, probably wing and maybe on the ball.

What you are seeing is a player being out bodied playing on bigger opposition. Up forward he will get space to work in and third tall defenders to deal with. Not playing on CHF or big forward pockets.

I'm backing him in, he will go well but may need a little time settling in.

He isn't an attacking weapon. You are just hoping that he might be.(as we all are). Doubt that he ever has the tank to play wing or anything more than on ball cameos.

3rd tall forward is his for the taking. Let's hope that he's up to it.

 

[GoBlues!]

Been played out of position in roles that don't suite him. Cripps would be doing the same if played at full back or full forward.

He's an attacking weapon. Not a lockdown player. When we give him some freedom to hunt the footy we will see it all unfold. I think he is suited to half back flank, third tall forward, probably wing and maybe on the ball.

What you are seeing is a player being out bodied playing on bigger opposition. Up forward he will get space to work in and third tall defenders to deal with. Not playing on CHF or big forward pockets.

I'm backing him in, he will go well but may need a little time settling in.

Not sure why some can’t see his attacking qualities. A benefit of playing Kemp in defence is he developed tackling and pressure skills which would also be handy on the forward line.

I reckon at 192cm and his attributes he’d make a pretty good 3rd forward for us.

 

[gbatman]

He isn't an attacking weapon. You are just hoping that he might be.(as we all are). Doubt that he ever has the tank to play wing or anything more than on ball cameos.

3rd tall forward is his for the taking. Let's hope that he's up to it.

good tank, has a few 15km games under his belt

 

[Opium]

He isn't an attacking weapon. You are just hoping that he might be.(as we all are). Doubt that he ever has the tank to play wing or anything more than on ball cameos.

3rd tall forward is his for the taking. Let's hope that he's up to it.

He is a actually a really good runner. Issue is he isn't a KPD. Playing him on a player like Hogan is only going to dent his confidence.
He needs to be used as an attacking weapon. Charlie, Harry and Kemp can cover the ground really well. Can't hurt trying him on the wing or half forward. Especially with Kennedy and Martin gone.

I feel Kemp is being restricted and Isn't allowed to play his instinctive natural game. I recall watching him earlier in his career with a couple of wicked side steps playing further up the field and thought wow.
To get the best out of him I feel we need to release the shackles and allow him to play attacking football with flair and freedom. Confidence can do amazing things.

 

[coryne]

I also think Kemp should be utilized as a 3rd tall, so I would like us to grab another KPD to release him up forward.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Lord did something in two games none of our other mids do that we desperately lack. Leaves his man, covers ground quick and runs opposition players down. If Voss has any wits about him at all, Lord is a player he will be pushing to play senior football.

In his last game, Lord was only on the ground 62%. He had 7 tackles and 19 possessions. How anyone can be dropped after a game like that and considering our weaknesses is mind-boggling.

If Lord is not in Voss' favorites and becomes one of these players who can never get a game we can start talking about changing the coach. He is a player we need to be going to lengths to make sure he is in the side.

Just by his 2 games this year, it’s very easy to see a permanent place in our best 22 for Lord. I have him penciled in to start on ball in 2025.

We have been crying out for a bit more speed and playing on more. Lord always looks to move the ball forward and it makes the defence have to work overtime rather than knowing where the ball is about to go with us bombing it forward.

I think we will see a different midfield set up from day 1 and it’s why I think the draftee we must take is Jagga Smith. Imo he is the most professional and non bust type going into this draft. Definitely has Nick Daicos traits and you would think Jagga would play from day 1.

Cripps Lord Walsh Smith Hewett Cerra Docherty is as dangerous a midfield group you will see imo

 

[Cringle]

Our issue is too many small forwards with no overhead game. Next year McKay, Curnow, Moir and Kemp all have strong overhead games. 4 is better than 2.

This was definitely something we all would have noticed with Brisbanes final series.

Medium forwards with aerial skills and X Factor.

 

[BlueSuede]

I think what our midfield needs is that bit of speed, ability to slip through traffic and create, and scoreboard impact.

I would love to be able to magically inject a peak Marc Murphy into our current midfield - just seems like exactly what we need.