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[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Ofcourse if I trained 3 years , got off the booze and didn’t watch Carlton I would be a world class athlete at 46 haha Was just curious how someone takes 3 years … that’s crazy when you think about it .. 3 years to play half forward… agree on your last point I could train all my life from 18-40 and still not be a runner , lots come into it

More saying if the cut off time for the marathon is 3.30 and after 3 months you can run a marathon but takes 4hours then it could take you 3 years to get your time down to 3.30 for it actually be good enough to count.

 

[Broadside]

Here's a wild take, the profile of team in the middle of Ratts tenure, and game plan, bodes well in today's afl system.

but our 2005 Premiership window is wide open

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I have been saying this for years and always downvoted into oblivion.

Unfortunately, Cripps plays in a way that looks good for him but not necessarily best for the team.

Our midfield is not the issue. It's the outside players surrounding them.

Our scoring from stoppage and ability to win clearance is up there with any team in the league. Everything around that is awful.

 

[Arr0w]

Our midfield is not the issue. It's the outside players surrounding them.

Our scoring from stoppage and ability to win clearance is up there with any team in the league. Everything around that is awful.

True, but we have an over supply of one paced and or lacking burst

Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh, Lord

Rotations Elijah, Doc

Cameos Williams, Motlop

Only Jagga has the traits we yearn that differs from all those above

Damning actually

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

True, but we have an over supply of one paced and or lacking burst

Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh, Lord

Rotations Elijah, Doc

Cameos Williams, Motlop

Only Jagga has the traits we yearn that differs from all those above

Damning actually

I agree, but it's still the least of our issues. There's almost no chance whatsoever of us addressing that this off season imo so we're better off waiting it out until Jagga and Cody are up and going and addressing all the peripheral players around them.

GWS and Brisbane didn't have quick electric midfields last year, but their cameo players like Daniels, Bailey, Rayner etc are elite.

We currently have a big rampaging midfield but there's nobody on the outer to make use of their ball winning ability nor is there anyone capable of going on ball and making an impact in short bursts.

 

[BigFrizz36]

I agree, but it's still the least of our issues. There's almost no chance whatsoever of us addressing that this off season imo so we're better off waiting it out until Jagga and Cody are up and going and addressing all the peripheral players around them.

GWS and Brisbane didn't have quick electric midfields last year, but their cameo players like Daniels, Bailey, Rayner etc are elite.

We currently have a big rampaging midfield but there's nobody on the outer to make use of their ball winning ability nor is there anyone capable of going on ball and making an impact in short bursts.

Well there is at least one but he is off on personal leave at the moment. It's hard to overestimate how much we miss him.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Well there is at least one but he is off on personal leave at the moment. It's hard to overestimate how much we miss him.

His kicking inside 50 and around the ground? Absolutely. His zip through the midfield? Imo he doesn't change that dynamic at all really.

 

[BigFrizz36]

His kicking inside 50 and around the ground? Absolutely. His zip through the midfield? Imo he doesn't change that dynamic at all really.

"We currently have a big rampaging midfield but there's nobody on the outer to make use of their ball winning ability nor is there anyone capable of going on to the ball and making an impact in short bursts" was the question you posed.

I would suggest that the answer is Elijah Hollands.

 

[No1Suspect]

True, but we have an over supply of one paced and or lacking burst

Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh, Lord

Rotations Elijah, Doc

Cameos Williams, Motlop

Only Jagga has the traits we yearn that differs from all those above

Damning actually

Tbh i don't even think Jagga has the traits we currently yearn for. His differential is he is lighter and quicker footed in traffic, cleaner exiting clearance may help but he isn't damaging in meters gained or explosive from stoppage. Our issue is still the next player in the chain. Our outside and distribution players, which would have to be bottom 4 in the league

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Cripps, Cerra, Walsh and Smith isn’t a bad balance if we had leg speed at HF.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

"We currently have a big rampaging midfield but there's nobody on the outer to make use of their ball winning ability nor is there anyone capable of going on to the ball and making an impact in short bursts" was the question you posed.

I would suggest that the answer is Elijah Hollands.

Elijah is fairly slow off the mark and is more of a side stepper than anything. Imo he's better suited to playing half forward or half back.

Putting him around the ball will just mean his often exceptional use of the ball by foot will be reduced due to the added pressure and less time to work with.

 

[ETET]

"We currently have a big rampaging midfield but there's nobody on the outer to make use of their ball winning ability nor is there anyone capable of going on to the ball and making an impact in short bursts" was the question you posed.

I would suggest that the answer is Elijah Hollands.

We have a big rampaging midfield that are poor kicks and not creative.

if I think who do we want kicking it 100 times match Hewitt, Walsh, Cripps (while he has got better), the most in our team, they would not be anywhere near the top of that list.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Cripps, Cerra, Walsh and Smith isn’t a bad balance if we had leg speed at HF.

Correct. Half back and half forward can cover a slow midfield. A slow midfield with invisible half forwards however is a recipe for disaster.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Harry is on a large salary, commensurate with what a star is paid, who has as many awful games as he does good during a season. A side such as Melbourne would likely give a first rounder for him but no one is giving two.

He'd at least get a first rounder from a number of clubs and probably some extra points for FF/Academy bids.

 

[Soapy V]

I agree, but it's still the least of our issues. There's almost no chance whatsoever of us addressing that this off season imo so we're better off waiting it out until Jagga and Cody are up and going and addressing all the peripheral players around them.

GWS and Brisbane didn't have quick electric midfields last year, but their cameo players like Daniels, Bailey, Rayner etc are elite.

We currently have a big rampaging midfield but there's nobody on the outer to make use of their ball winning ability nor is there anyone capable of going on ball and making an impact in short bursts.

Yep. Day Newcombe Nash Worpel MacKenzie aren’t quick at all

Amon DAmbrosio Impey Ward CJ etc on the outside are especially damaging with their ball use

Speed in the middle is NOT an issue

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yep. Day Newcombe Nash Worpel MacKenzie aren’t quick at all

Amon DAmbrosio Impey Ward CJ etc on the outside are especially damaging with their ball use

Speed in the middle is NOT an issue

It's an issue, but it's not the issue. Agree on the Hawks outside players. Just leagues above ours in class.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Correct. Half back and half forward can cover a slow midfield. A slow midfield with invisible half forwards however is a recipe for disaster.

Not a slow midfield that can't kick, have low footy iq, can't run both ways, stagnate...

This issues you list are def areas that need to be addressed as well. I just believe the priority needs to be the midfield.

The contested numbers are misleading... teams are happy for us to win the contest, they're waiting for us to cough it up on the outside which we constantly do...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Not a slow midfield that can't kick, have low footy iq, can't run both ways, stagnate...

This issues you list are def areas that need to be addressed as well. I just believe the priority needs to be the midfield.

The contested numbers are misleading... teams are happy for us to win the contest, they're waiting for us to cough it up on the outside which we constantly do...

Said it a million times... Our half forwards don't get involved in our ball movement because they're inept which leads to too much being placed on the shoulders of our inside mids. Half backs don't generate enough rebound so the same occurs.

Our inside mids are fantastic players, surrounded by a list that doesn't compliment them whatsoever.

Go look at any other teams distribution of disposal across the ground and Carlton stick out like a steak in a vegan store.

They are not the issue with this team.

And also what an absolute load of waffle. No team is happy conceding contested ball against Carlton. Literally none. That's just about the only way we score.

 

[DangerousD]

Sub rule sucks.
The AFL seems to be very amateur a lot of the time, and this is the perfect example.
Who does it serve?
Not the players, not the coaches, not the game. It's ridiculous.

I really don’t get the hate for the sub rule.
It was brought in so that a team has coverage for an injured player, why is that a bad thing?

Would the people complaining about the sub rule complain if it wasn’t there and you go down to 3 on the bench early, due to an injury?

Or do our supporters hate it because Voss doesn’t know how to use it?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Said it a million times... Our half forwards don't get involved in our ball movement because they're inept which leads to too much being placed on the shoulders of our inside mids. Half backs don't generate enough rebound so the same occurs.

Our inside mids are fantastic players, surrounded by a list that doesn't compliment them whatsoever.

Go look at any other teams distribution of disposal across the ground and Carlton stick out like a steak in a vegan store.

They are not the issue with this team.

And also what an absolute load of waffle. No team is happy conceding contested ball against Carlton. Literally none. That's just about the only way we score.

We win the ball in the contest and bomb it or nudge it forward... Walsh the main culprit... where does it land? More often than not to the next contest which is surrounded by opposition numbers because they know that's what we're doing... so many times when they could use a better option too but they refuse... it's just shove it forward any way possible.

You can say it another million times...it doesn't matter.

Not sure why you feel the need to state: "our inside mids are fantastic players"...

You do realise that a midfield is made up of more than just inside mids right? Who are our outside mids?

Go look at how other teams mids link up together, run in support, run defensively, spread, hit targets by foot, impact the scoreboard... our mids cannot do any of this. You've taken a strange stance that yep they win the ball in the contest... job done... laughable really...

 

[DangerousD]

Everyone should look up some articles about Richmond at the end of 2016. You could get confused for thinking it was about us right now.

AFL 2016: Richmond Tigers concede they are 'paying the price' for list strategy

Richmond football department boss Dan Richardson has admitted the Tigers are "paying a price" for going down the path of seeking mature-age players, revealing they had felt supporters would not accept an eight-year rebuild.

www.theage.com.au

As someone else pointed out and it’s really important.

In 2016 Dusty was 24, Cotchin was 25, Riewoldt was 27.

They then traded 3 quality players in at the end of 2016, something we haven’t done for years

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We win the ball in the contest and bomb it or nudge it forward... Walsh the main culprit... where does it land? More often than not to the next contest which is surrounded by opposition numbers because they know that's what we're doing... so many times when they could use a better option too but they refuse... it's just shove it forward any way possible.

You can say it another million times...it doesn't matter.

Not sure why you feel the need to state: "our inside mids are fantastic players"...

You do realise that a midfield is made up of more than just inside mids right? Who are our outside mids?

Go look at how other teams mids link up together, run in support, run defensively, spread, hit targets by foot, impact the scoreboard... our mids cannot do any of this. You've taken a strange stance that yep they win the ball in the contest... job done... laughable really...

Who let us down last night? Was it the mids?

A better question, over the last 3 years how many games have we won that we didn't demolish a team at stoppage and contested ball and Mckay and Curnow didn't took half a dozen contested marks?

Go check the stats. Every other team in the comp is getting the ball in the hands of their skilful half forwards while ours do SFA and leave it all to the mids.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Who let us down last night? Was it the mids?

A better question, over the last 3 years how many games have we won that we didn't demolish a team at stoppage and contested ball and Mckay and Curnow didn't took half a dozen contested marks?

Go check the stats. Every other team in the comp is getting the ball in the hands of their skilful half forwards while ours do SFA and leave it all to the mids.

Last night you'll get people saying our accuracy at goal let us down... you'll also get people saying umps let us down...

There'll be people with your viewpoint that it was the half forwards...

My view is not just based on last night, and I'll say it again... our mids don't hit the score board enough, don't hit targets, don't spread, don't run both ways, are one paced, they don't link up and run in support...

Why can't you answer the question... who are our outside mids?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Last night you'll get people saying our accuracy at goal let us down... you'll also get people saying umps let us down...

There'll be people with your viewpoint that it was the half forwards...

My view is not just based on last night, and I'll say it again... our mids don't hit the score board enough, don't hit targets, don't spread, don't run both ways, are one paced, they don't link up and run in support...

Why can't you answer the question... who are our outside mids?

We don't have any. I've said that for years lmao.

My point is very simple. Would our list have any issues with delivery inside 50 or moving the ball from the backline if we had the Hawks flankers from last night? Our midfields line up extremely similarly.

Meek, Newcombe, Day, Worpel, Nash.
TDK, Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett.

There's barely a difference between those line ups regarding spread, kicking skill and defensive ability. Our group is considerably better at winning clearance and contested ball though.

The biggest difference is what they've surrounded those big bodies with on the flanks. We have dump kick merchants who lack any sort of run. They have precision surgeons who run 15km every game and link up all over the ground.

 

[DangerousD]

True, but we have an over supply of one paced and or lacking burst

Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh, Lord

Rotations Elijah, Doc

Cameos Williams, Motlop

Only Jagga has the traits we yearn that differs from all those above

Damning actually

What’s more damming is, Hewett who is past his best is apparently in line for a contract extension.

If we are to refresh and get a better balance in the team, we need to get fresher legs, free up some $$$, embrace some youth.