List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[koutashoulda1_1]

not for mine, has pace, can take a mark and a great kick at goal but only plays 5-10 minutes a match, goes missing for the rest. He's also 33.

Bit of a whipping boy, but feel his role at Geelong was misunderstood. Pinged hammies left right and centre at Sydney running away from ppl playing an attacking role, went to Geelong and was told to chase ppl instead. The 5 to 10 mins he played attacking were the bonus time that kept his man/defensive zone accountable. I reckon anyways...

We need someone playing that role, but reckon Kemp has him covered in every way.

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[BigFrizz36]

Without going through the specifics our list management hasn’t improved our list in the off-season…specifically for next season…collingwood (a team we couldn’t beat twice) has improved their list for next season…hard to get excited about next year

You genuinely don't believe that having more key players available due to less injuries added to continued growth from Cowan, Hollands brothers, Moir, Lord, Binns, pick 3 and the Camporeales will make us better?

And you also believe that the Pies, clinging to a stack of 30+ year olds hanging on by their fingernails and adding Perryman (at 900k) per season who doesn't move the needle by much and Houston who will help them, will be significantly better then you think that they are governed by the ageing rules if Benjamin Button (reverse ageing)

Our list is in significantly better shape than theirs. I understand them wanting to go all in but they are right on the precipice. If something were to happen to Daicos (of the N variety) then you would comfortably back them to finish bottom 6.

 

[koutashoulda1_1]

Why Cinc? He plays a valuable role, has pace, penetrating kick, tough as nails, can break lines & kicked ass as a stopper.
IMO Lord takes Hewetts spot from day 1, our mid field needs an update, Lord & pick 3 does that.
Cinc also has one other quality - he never stops trying! Doesn’t drop his head, just keeps at it & gives his all every single time.

Love Cinc for his attitude, fitness, strength, concentration, buy in. Not sure we can play him in same role as last year as oppo worked us out there.

He needs to consistently run both ways (and be given a license to) to keep getting a game. Has shown he can do it(kicks goals on opponent), but the fact he isnt trusted in centre bounces tells me he lacks a little something in coaches' eyes.

Bit of a watch for sure

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[koutashoulda1_1]

Without going through the specifics our list management hasn’t improved our list in the off-season…specifically for next season…collingwood (a team we couldn’t beat twice) has improved their list for next season…hard to get excited about next year

Pick 3 is a big deal, Haynes to imo. Bit think most improvement will come not from list management but the way the "list is managed". New fitness boss and Grsham Wright are massive acquisitions!

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[koutashoulda1_1]

Reckon there will be a fair few players that could be traded depending on the circumstances.

Binns is contracted but if he's continues to dominate vfl without much afl opportunitty will almost certainly ask for a trade and have some interest.

Kemp a big chance to move. If he doesn't get much opportunitty he'll go and if he comes on he may get an offer to good for us to match.

Cerra might just be to big a risk for us to offer a big money long contract too and he will have suitors ready to take the risk. Unless he can put together a close to complete season you almost need to put a line through him.

Motlop another who would get interest whether he has a good year or not. You'd think Pitto asks for a trade if TDK stays fit and plays most the year as sole ruck.

Gov and Saad should stay but have had their pay day and will need to be willing to stay for less money. If they want to chase another cheque could see them going. Same with Hewett who could also get squeezed out of the 22 if we want a quicker mix.

Lemmey needs to take a big step forward to stay on the list. Durdin could be payed out a year early if he has a poor year. Young on the chopping block.

Wilson should get extended. Would need a seriously poor year to be delisted.

So many possibilities. I think we are at the stage of our list build where more good players start to get squeezed out. It'll be tough at times but also a sign of our side getting stronger and we'll actually get something for the players leaving.

Totally agree here.

Ollie or Acres will need to shift off wing for Binns to get a go tho. Struggled with pace of AFL, largely due to lack of opportunity tho.

Don't see Ollie at halfback. Too slow, too slow to get ball to boot, too good on the wing. Acres seems a confidence sort, so would keep his role stable too. Reckon Binns moves on or becomes one of those too good for VFL, not quite there to go up sorts.

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[HarryFlashman]

You genuinely don't believe that having more key players available due to less injuries added to continued growth from Cowan, Hollands brothers, Moir, Lord, Binns, pick 3 and the Camporeales will make us better?

And you also believe that the Pies, clinging to a stack of 30+ year olds hanging on by their fingernails and adding Perryman (at 900k) per season who doesn't move the needle by much and Houston who will help them, will be significantly better then you think that they are governed by the ageing rules if Benjamin Button (reverse ageing)

Our list is in significantly better shape than theirs. I understand them wanting to go all in but they are right on the precipice. If something were to happen to Daicos (of the N variety) then you would comfortably back them to finish bottom 6.

Going to be fun to see what happens when we send Cinc to monster him all game.

Got a feeling he’s going to have a rough time, going to be wearing a super tight tag with a double team on occasion as his support isn’t anywhere near as dangerous as it use to be

 

[koutashoulda1_1]

Love Cincotta, if I am picking the team, he is there as that half fwd and mid rotation every week.

Cinc is will be 28 turning 29 next season, and Lord is 19 turning 20. My post was moreso about laying down the challenge to the younger players to go claim a spot in the team. Cinc will be at Carlton in 2026 and will be promoted onto senior list next year.

Also I think Cerra has that defensive mid role over George if his hamstrings hold up. Ben Camporeale in the reserves preparing for that role too.

Loved Lord's tackling pressure both in midfield and in F50. Think half fwd/mid is his go for a couple of years before we think about full time midfield.

Lord an interesting one. His quick and sure hands bodes well I reckon. Will have to dislodge someone or add half forward string to his bow to get a game tho.

Who do you reckon he gets a game over?



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[FootyLad0]

What I don't understand is why are Geelong getting rid of him and taking a chance on Martin? Red flag if Geelong are happy to let him go?

Martin is younger, Cats will back in fitness staff to get him right.
Jack's personal physio that got him healthy works in Geelong as well so he doesn't have to drive from Melbourne down and back to go visit him

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Lord an interesting one. His quick and sure hands bodes well I reckon. Will have to dislodge someone or add half forward string to his bow to get a game tho.

Who do you reckon he gets a game over?

Kennedy and Carroll for starters

 

[koutashoulda1_1]

More accurately, cheers teammates for taking the dumb option.
Owies: leads, gets overlooked for a stationary Curnow.
Blues fan: **** you Owies.

Footy is fun.

Owies would be sending Curnow flowers for the 700 odd he's now getting from Eages I reckon.

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[koutashoulda1_1]

He has clean, fast hands, he has burst from congestion, agility, keeps the ball ticking over and pretty good vision for a long pass by foot.

You're just so used to watching him track in a defensive zone or forcing a pack up forward you've forgotten what he looks like when he gets to dictate his own movement, but you're doing so with an enormous amount of bias:



I dunno how you're not seeing it. Again, I ask you to name a specific thing you feel he can't do in a hypothetical midfield role that he's not already been doing in a variety of defensive roles.

It all comes down to his ability to apply tactics and read the tap to help his team get an effective clearance, something we haven't really done outside of dominant taps/unblocked runs or TDK breaking open the play, so it's not like the bar can be any lower.

Yep, maybe he doesnt get a go there, but has the traits. Is accountable defence wise, quick, seems like he has good hands(?).

Not saying he will get a go, just that would like to see it. See ball get ball is easier than HB. Dont think his decision making os there yet.

Love him up forward too. Only 23, glad we didnt trade after he has had so much worthwhile investment.

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[marcmurphy3]

I reckon Lord will be a starting onballer by the end of next year. Elite hands, great kick, strong and will get stronger, can accumulate. Reckon he overtakes Hewett and maybe even Cerra. Big call but really excited about him.

The only struggle will how he gets transitions into the team. I think we have better options as a half forward doing spurts on-ball. Maybe he's just in the VFL waiting for his chance (or straight in if he can have an epic preseason).

 

[BlueJet]

Owies would be sending Curnow flowers for the 700 odd he's now getting from Eages I reckon.

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I'm sure he'll leave the fanboying to others tbh.

 

[Blue Pulse]

Martin is younger, Cats will back in fitness staff to get him right.
Jack's personal physio that got him healthy works in Geelong as well so he doesn't have to drive from Melbourne down and back to go visit him

I can understand them taking a chance with Martin but why get rid of Rohan, just age or does attitude come into it?

 

[DangerousD]

I would have expected announcements on the Carrolls and Durdin by now.

Being on the fence with Carrol is fine, he gets on the park, is solid at VFL and is ok at the level, if he improves even slightly, he’s an ok player.

Im dumbfounded by still having Durdin on the list, he can’t do the bare minimum and be available for selection, we could find better options in the metro leagues.

 

[Stamos]

Being on the fence with Carrol is fine, he gets on the park, is solid at VFL and is ok at the level, if he improves even slightly, he’s an ok player.

Im dumbfounded by still having Durdin on the list, he can’t do the bare minimum and be available for selection, we could find better options in the metro leagues.

I think they held Durdin in case they got a trade for Young, but that still doesn't make sense to me.
And surely they already know which, if any, of the Carrolls they want to keep on?

 

[kreuze_missile]

Im dumbfounded by still having Durdin on the list

Can't see him getting a look in 2025.

Should be on the AFL minimum contract and not a dollar more.

 

[Robertio]

Martin is younger, Cats will back in fitness staff to get him right.
Jack's personal physio that got him healthy works in Geelong as well so he doesn't have to drive from Melbourne down and back to go visit him

He has never been healthy mate, if Geelong can get him to play 17+ games next season it will be a big win for them.

 

[gbatman]

The Kemp to midfield discussion is like the Walker to midfield discussion. Will happen every year he's still on the list. Although in Walkers case he had actually shown he could play midfield in patches.

I personally think the Kemp conundrum is pretty simple.

His best position is as a 3rd tall defender. It's the role he's shown the most in at VFL level, at AFL level and the role he spent a lot of his junior career playing. Another club recently targeted him to specifically fill that role. Even his manager said that Kemp sees that as his best position. That doesn't mean he couldn't play another position but all evidence points to 3rd tall
defence being the role he's most suited to.

The issue is we currently have Gov in that role so he's being forced to be the 2nd KPD, which he is less suited too. Some weeks he can get away with it more then others depending on the opponent. To stay in the 22 he either needs to adapt to that role, find a new role or replace Gov. Will be interesting which avenue the club takes.

I do think he could be a 3rd tall forward. My only concern is that structurally the trend more often is not to have a genuine marking 3rd tall but a couple of medium forwards who can mark and crumb. Moir/Jack Martin

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type rather then the Gunston type.

Walker's shoulders kept him out of the midfield and nearly ended his career at one point.

Injuries and lack of depth has locked Kemp in defence in a role not suited to him.

His best game appear to have been playing half back. He's played well as a third tall but I would not say those were his best games.

He was impressive in his handful of games as a forward. I think judging him on traits and suggesting he could play in the midfield is fair but the fact that we don't know this comes down to the coaches not trying it.

The trend is to have at least 4 forwards who are strong overhead. Size not being overly important but if a couple of them are pretty tall then that helps. Trend is that the third tall is mobile and quick and not a ruckman size player like it used to be. As long as they can get involved at the ground level play and two way run.

Time will tell, it will be exciting watching us evolve.

There are no set rules for how to structure a team. Last year a team won it with a really small forward line. The year before that and this year it was won by teams with really tall forward lines.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Martin is younger, Cats will back in fitness staff to get him right.
Jack's personal physio that got him healthy works in Geelong as well so he doesn't have to drive from Melbourne down and back to go visit him

Which decade was he healthy?


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[teagueyubeauty]

I reckon Lord will be a starting onballer by the end of next year. Elite hands, great kick, strong and will get stronger, can accumulate. Reckon he overtakes Hewett and maybe even Cerra. Big call but really excited about him.

The only struggle will how he gets transitions into the team. I think we have better options as a half forward doing spurts on-ball. Maybe he's just in the VFL waiting for his chance (or straight in if he can have an epic preseason).

Lord needs an absolute massive preseason to become a starting midfielder, you can’t play 60% of game time and expect that’s what will happen.

Exactly the reason I reckon the club were happy to let Kennedy go, he just couldn’t play at a good enough level for long enough week in and week out


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[Jimmae]

on the wing

wing position.

To be clear, this is not the argument I'm trying to make. He's arguably too heavy already for that sort of thing to be sustainable, particularly in our system.

I am quite positive that Nick Austin didn’t trade up for Pick 3, only to trade down for something like 6 and 18 (I have seen that suggested on here)…which will give Nick Austin a worse draft pick than when he had both Pick 12 and 14. It would be crazy if Nick did trade 3.

Personally I'd trade down if Lalor and Smith are off the board, but I'd be looking at something like 3 & 38 for 6 & 11, and that's working under the assumption that Richmond are super keen on FOS.

6 & 11 (maybe 8 & 14 on draft night) could very well be some combination of Smillie, Hynes & Hotton. If Smillie is gone, very real chance we can trade down again.

Still enough uncontracted players to make it happen.

Cotters 2027
Fogarty 2026
Fanta 2025*
ZW 2026
C.Durdin 2026
Motlop 2025*

*only likely changes from those listed. Still years on the books in most cases.

Only serious salary concern at this stage would be Williams, and if he starts scoring for fun, no one will care.

The toughest one to move on might be Cottrell, with all the strategic nous of the Pittonet deal. Austin's ears should be burning for the rest of his Carlton tenure for decisions like that, so here's hoping he doesn't help compound the issue with his selection at pick 3.

The Kemp to midfield discussion is like the Walker to midfield discussion. Will happen every year he's still on the list. Although in Walkers case he had actually shown he could play midfield in patches.

The difference is Walker actually got a start in the midfield. Kemp did as much as he could in 2019 to show he was a midfield prospect.

Once Walker bulked up and started having knee issues from continuing to run hard, that was all she wrote beyond the odd cameo. Really hurt his agility.

Kemp isn't in that position yet, and seems to be holding it off.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

you can’t play 60% of game time and expect that’s what will happen

I suspect our plan is to maximise the TOG of the "A-team" and others take what's left.
So if Cripps, Walsh, Hewett are taking 75%+ then that keeps the others at under 65%.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Walker's shoulders kept him out of the midfield and nearly ended his career at one point.

Injuries and lack of depth has locked Kemp in defence in a role not suited to him.

His best game appear to have been playing half back. He's played well as a third tall but I would not say those were his best games.

He was impressive in his handful of games as a forward. I think judging him on traits and suggesting he could play in the midfield is fair but the fact that we don't know this comes down to the coaches not trying it.

The trend is to have at least 4 forwards who are strong overhead. Size not being overly important but if a couple of them are pretty tall then that helps. Trend is that the third tall is mobile and quick and not a ruckman size player like it used to be. As long as they can get involved at the ground level play and two way run.

Time will tell, it will be exciting watching us evolve.

There are no set rules for how to structure a team. Last year a team won it with a really small forward line. The year before that and this year it was won by teams with really tall forward lines.

At one stage last year on SEN, when we had strung a few wins together, Hoyney (I think) rolled out some stats about how our better ball movement and transition from the backline was due in large part to Kemp. Can't can't recall why but probably due to him taking on the man and taking a few risks etc ???

 

[gbatman]

Why Cinc? He plays a valuable role, has pace, penetrating kick, tough as nails, can break lines & kicked ass as a stopper.
IMO Lord takes Hewetts spot from day 1, our mid field needs an update, Lord & pick 3 does that.
Cinc also has one other quality - he never stops trying! Doesn’t drop his head, just keeps at it & gives his all every single time.

We are running into list management headaches.

I think end of next year we will be looking at offloading a few.

I'm expecting two mids to go. Carroll will be one. Cerra if he can't get fit and possibly Hewett as well, same circumstances as Kennedy.

We will have Cripps, Walsh, Pick 3, Camporeale, Lord and either Cerra or Hewett on the list with Walker being drafted. We may only offload one mid meaning only Carroll goes out and Hewett and Cerra both stay but only if things are working out well. I suspect you will be right, pick 3 and Lord push Hewett out and he will want to look around for more game time and we will be desperate for list spots.

I think Lord becomes best 22 very quickly and the player we get at pick 3 should be in the best 22 as well. Walker the following season should be the same and Camporeale could be knocking the door down pretty hard so it's not hard to see how we will move on at least one mid possibly 3. If Cerra's hamstrings are no good it will be him. Hewett likely because of his pace and mobility, same as Kennedy. I think Carroll only stays on for depth this season and goes the next.

Forward line needs a clean out. Fogarty, Cottrell, Fantasia, Durdin, Motlop and Williams. At the moment they are all C-D grade players. Stupidly for us we have given some of them rather long contracts. Motlop and Fantasia are the only ones out of contract. Durdin and Fogarty the year after that and insanely Cottrell is not out of contract until 2027. Austin's list management has been horrible here. Fantasia will be delisted, Motlop is 50/50. We will probably be trying very hard to make trades with the rest to get them off our books but I can not see any takers. I can see Cottrell playing only reserves football for a whole three seasons. This list management is insane.

Because of this horrible list management I think Cincotta's spot on our list is in trouble. I like Cincotta but we are clogged up with second rate forwards on long contracts and an ever improving midfield and we will want lost spots.

There are a lot of players I would prefer Cincotta over but I have a bad feeling, due to being hamstrung by dumb contracts that he may not be on the list in 2026.