List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[gbatman]

Lord needs an absolute massive preseason to become a starting midfielder, you can’t play 60% of game time and expect that’s what will happen.

Exactly the reason I reckon the club were happy to let Kennedy go, he just couldn’t play at a good enough level for long enough week in and week out


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Was that his fitness or was that our coaching?

 

[Jimmae]

At one stage last year on SEN, when we had strung a few wins together, Hoyney (I think) rolled out some stats about how our better ball movement and transition from the backline was due in large part to Kemp. Can't can't recall why but probably due to him taking on the man and taking a few risks etc ???

They were trumpeting the same thing about Boyd at the start of this season, and probably said similar about Saad in earlier seasons.

Just shows you how riskless our ball movement is, and how much it's holding back the team when we're like that.

 

[gbatman]

At one stage last year on SEN, when we had strung a few wins together, Hoyney (I think) rolled out some stats about how our better ball movement and transition from the backline was due in large part to Kemp. Can't can't recall why but probably due to him taking on the man and taking a few risks etc ???

I could see that. When he was playing higher up the field he was playing well and taking on the game a fair bit.

There are a lot of pieces where our ball movement fails.

One is that our forward line has too many passengers and not enough good overhead players. Our small forwards sit back and wait for the ball to be kicked to someone else because they have no overhead game and they also are not genuine forwards, they have been taught to play there, they don't have the instincts to play there and do no hunt the ball in the air. So often we get the ball rolling and then become held up because the options forward of the ball are no good.

The other one is lack of pace in the midfield. We lack run and carry and we have too many mids who are too slow to get forward of the ball and generate run.

Then there is the issue in defence where we also lack smarts and run. Saad often is our only quality rebounding half back. IMO you need three. Kemp has done the role at times. Finding someone to sit on the other half back flank and take the game apart has been difficult. No Docherty, we moved Williams, Boyd was in and out and on and off.

I think having Kemp forward will improve our ball movement quite a lot more than having him back has.

We do need to fix our run from defence. Hopefully Saad stays fit and perhaps Docherty moves back there. Maybe Hollands, Boyd, Wilson and Cowan can lift. Williams may also get fitter and return to defence. Hard to say how things will work out for us.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

I could see that. When he was playing higher up the field he was playing well and taking on the game a fair bit.

There are a lot of pieces where our ball movement fails.

One is that our forward line has too many passengers and not enough good overhead players. Our small forwards sit back and wait for the ball to be kicked to someone else because they have no overhead game and they also are not genuine forwards, they have been taught to play there, they don't have the instincts to play there and do no hunt the ball in the air. So often we get the ball rolling and then become held up because the options forward of the ball are no good.

The other one is lack of pace in the midfield. We lack run and carry and we have too many mids who are too slow to get forward of the ball and generate run.

Then there is the issue in defence where we also lack smarts and run. Saad often is our only quality rebounding half back. IMO you need three. Kemp has done the role at times. Finding someone to sit on the other half back flank and take the game apart has been difficult. No Docherty, we moved Williams, Boyd was in and out and on and off.

I think having Kemp forward will improve our ball movement quite a lot more than having him back has.

We do need to fix our run from defence. Hopefully Saad stays fit and perhaps Docherty moves back there. Maybe Hollands, Boyd, Wilson and Cowan can lift. Williams may also get fitter and return to defence. Hard to say how things will work out for us.

Are you saying we need a "Dan Houston" type player ??

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Whatever Kemp is, he needs to improve at it. He did well in games the midfield dominated but was shakey when under pressure and ultimately only played in his non preferred role due to injuries by the end of the year. We would be better served trying to get Lewis Young up to scratch

he's only played 44 games....

 

[bradfisher14]

I'd think the players concerned know where they stand

No doubt and I know the club doesn’t owe them anything, but they deserve to know so their managers can start canvassing interest across the league and get their living situations sorted out. We’re dealing with real people here after all.

 

[Opium]

 

[CCurnow3votes]

We are running into list management headaches.

I think end of next year we will be looking at offloading a few.

I'm expecting two mids to go. Carroll will be one. Cerra if he can't get fit and possibly Hewett as well, same circumstances as Kennedy.

We will have Cripps, Walsh, Pick 3, Camporeale, Lord and either Cerra or Hewett on the list with Walker being drafted. We may only offload one mid meaning only Carroll goes out and Hewett and Cerra both stay but only if things are working out well. I suspect you will be right, pick 3 and Lord push Hewett out and he will want to look around for more game time and we will be desperate for list spots.

I think Lord becomes best 22 very quickly and the player we get at pick 3 should be in the best 22 as well. Walker the following season should be the same and Camporeale could be knocking the door down pretty hard so it's not hard to see how we will move on at least one mid possibly 3. If Cerra's hamstrings are no good it will be him. Hewett likely because of his pace and mobility, same as Kennedy. I think Carroll only stays on for depth this season and goes the next.

Forward line needs a clean out. Fogarty, Cottrell, Fantasia, Durdin, Motlop and Williams. At the moment they are all C-D grade players. Stupidly for us we have given some of them rather long contracts. Motlop and Fantasia are the only ones out of contract. Durdin and Fogarty the year after that and insanely Cottrell is not out of contract until 2027. Austin's list management has been horrible here. Fantasia will be delisted, Motlop is 50/50. We will probably be trying very hard to make trades with the rest to get them off our books but I can not see any takers. I can see Cottrell playing only reserves football for a whole three seasons. This list management is insane.

Because of this horrible list management I think Cincotta's spot on our list is in trouble. I like Cincotta but we are clogged up with second rate forwards on long contracts and an ever improving midfield and we will want lost spots.

There are a lot of players I would prefer Cincotta over but I have a bad feeling, due to being hamstrung by dumb contracts that he may not be on the list in 2026.

A touch drastic & reactive, IMHO.

This list isn’t as far away as you suggest.

 

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There we go

 

[El Topo]

Was that his fitness or was that our coaching?

Coaches worked out that Kennedy is a burst player, it's one of the key factors that revived his career from being delisted under Teague

 

[Sin City]

Think they might’ve got the Carroll’s the wrong way around

Jack can play and at worst was great depth. Too good to just de-list.

 

[BigFrizz36]

We are running into list management headaches.

I think end of next year we will be looking at offloading a few.

I'm expecting two mids to go. Carroll will be one. Cerra if he can't get fit and possibly Hewett as well, same circumstances as Kennedy.

We will have Cripps, Walsh, Pick 3, Camporeale, Lord and either Cerra or Hewett on the list with Walker being drafted. We may only offload one mid meaning only Carroll goes out and Hewett and Cerra both stay but only if things are working out well. I suspect you will be right, pick 3 and Lord push Hewett out and he will want to look around for more game time and we will be desperate for list spots.

I think Lord becomes best 22 very quickly and the player we get at pick 3 should be in the best 22 as well. Walker the following season should be the same and Camporeale could be knocking the door down pretty hard so it's not hard to see how we will move on at least one mid possibly 3. If Cerra's hamstrings are no good it will be him. Hewett likely because of his pace and mobility, same as Kennedy. I think Carroll only stays on for depth this season and goes the next.

Forward line needs a clean out. Fogarty, Cottrell, Fantasia, Durdin, Motlop and Williams. At the moment they are all C-D grade players. Stupidly for us we have given some of them rather long contracts. Motlop and Fantasia are the only ones out of contract. Durdin and Fogarty the year after that and insanely Cottrell is not out of contract until 2027. Austin's list management has been horrible here. Fantasia will be delisted, Motlop is 50/50. We will probably be trying very hard to make trades with the rest to get them off our books but I can not see any takers. I can see Cottrell playing only reserves football for a whole three seasons. This list management is insane.

Because of this horrible list management I think Cincotta's spot on our list is in trouble. I like Cincotta but we are clogged up with second rate forwards on long contracts and an ever improving midfield and we will want lost spots.

There are a lot of players I would prefer Cincotta over but I have a bad feeling, due to being hamstrung by dumb contracts that he may not be on the list in 2026.

Cincotta, like a heap of players, will get his chances in 2025. If he takes those chances he will be on the list in 2026 and if he doesn't he won't. Like a lot of players who's contracts expire next year.

Might be time to hop down from your "dumb contracts" high horse.

 

[CFC_#17]

Don’t get delisting Jack Carrol, as we have no senior midfield depth.

 

[Stamos]

Think they might’ve got the Carroll’s the wrong way around

Jack can play and at worst was great depth. Too good to just de-list.

Bot probably has a chance to get picked up as a DFA, the other 2 not so much.

 

[Stamos]

So 6 off the Senior List, with the addition of Haynes and then Boyd to be elevated means 4 vacancies.

Add Lord to the rookie list, subtract Boyd and the 3 cut means 3 Rookie vacancies.

 

[AB_Blue]

Think they might’ve got the Carroll’s the wrong way around

Jack can play and at worst was great depth. Too good to just de-list.

Played in 15 games this year….

Kennedy and Carroll featured in a combined amount of 39 games

Campo and pick 3 won’t deliver that…maybe Lord is really being elevated by the LM group

Hope Walsh and Cerra hold up or we are in serious trouble

 

[Juice030103]

Cripps Walsh Cerra hewett pick 3 lord Ben campo even doc and Elijah

Think we have plenty of midfield depth

 

[swuzzlebubble]

3 Rookie vacancies

Seems we won't fill them all at the RD as we'll be trialling for at least one spot via SSP

 

[Warsaw]

That’s pretty disappointing re Jack.

Not too often you’d see a player that played every game that season and another that played 15 get let go for practically nothing.

Gotta assume it’s all salary cap related, but man, the pressure on pick 3 to be good from the jump just slightly increased.

 

[branedotorg]

Disappointing, I was hoping we'd keep both Carrolls but it looks as Jack has another opportunity

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Played in 15 games this year….

Kennedy and Carroll featured in a combined amount of 39 games

Campo and pick 3 won’t deliver that…maybe Lord is really being elevated by the LM group

Hope Walsh and Cerra hold up or we are in serious trouble

Agree - liked Jack Carroll although always felt he'd want to head home to WA. Maybe that's been the conversation and he's been offered a spot at West Coast e.g "we can re-sign you on a 1 year deal" "No I want to go home "..

 

[BigFrizz36]

Don’t get delisting Jack Carrol, as we have no senior midfield depth.

Apart from E. Hollands, Cooper Lord, Ben Camporeale, and pick 3?

 

[SurreyBlue]

Bot probably has a chance to get picked up as a DFA, the other 2 not so much.

So, we're assisting Bot or other teams who refused to trade for him but not CFC. Why doesn't that surprise me.

 

[Mondyboy]

Does this confirm that we’re taking Lucas in the draft?

 

[BigFrizz36]

That’s pretty disappointing re Jack.

Not too often you’d see a player that played every game that season and another that played 15 get let go for practically nothing.

Gotta assume it’s all salary cap related, but man, the pressure on pick 3 to be good from the jump just slightly increased.

Jack Carroll would gave been on the bare minimum salary wise. It's not salary cap related , it's just list spot related. We've allowed ourselves 4 picks at the draft (pick 3, 38 and Camporeale brothers) . And that's after adding Haynes to the list and upgrading Boyd.