List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[The Bighouse]

Yep, players step up, they are going to demand more. I'm hoping we can offer him contract length and that keeps him like with all our top line players. Hoping he can be a bit of a Gunstan type.

We want other clubs to want our players.

I'm hoping Moir and kemp step up and we can have a clean out of C grade forwards and go hard at recruiting forwards at the end of next year.

I'm going to make the call. Cottrell, Fogarty, Fantasia are on their last contract with us and will be told to explore their options next season. Williams, Durdin and Motlop may also be in the same situation.

I think we go hard and will bring in a number of genuine forwards next season or late this one. Kemp and Moir will step up and we will be scrambling to get their contracts extended. Pick 3 will likely be able to play forward I feel as well.

I think a clean out of players is coming the next few seasons. Can see another mid who has been best 22 going as well.

So we will have space to move. It's just that we may struggle as some of these players are contracted so we may not be able to shift them.

Cotters 2027
Fogarty 2026
Fanta 2025*
ZW 2026
C.Durdin 2026
Motlop 2025*

*only likely changes from those listed. Still years on the books in most cases.

 

[bradfisher14]

I think Kemp's biggest areas of improvement would be his spoiling technique, concentration within game and learning when is/isn't appropriate to go for his marks.

 

[AlecDuncan]

I seem to recall Kemp was a midfielder as a junior. I saw him play on the wing in a VFL game once and he dominated. Basically, he can play anywhere.

He’s a bit too Leroy Jenkins in the backline though. Maybe we need that sometimes.

 

[Arr0w]

I think Kemp's biggest areas of improvement would be his spoiling technique, concentration within game and learning when is/isn't appropriate to go for his marks.

It's why he is better suited as a forward, if he is going to make it

 

[Blue4Life]

Without going through the specifics our list management hasn’t improved our list in the off-season…specifically for next season…collingwood (a team we couldn’t beat twice) has improved their list for next season…hard to get excited about next year

 

[Coona Blues]

The big watch for me heading into this season is our internal growth.

If the youth can stand up it really opens up our options and creates great list depth and structure.

I'd be hoping that O'Keeffe (first ruck) and Lemmey (key fwd/second ruck) can make big gains this year, so they are trusted as the back ups to TDK and Harry in 2026, thus making Pittonet expendable.

Another is Motlop pushing past Williams as the best deep small forward option. This will help our list balance and may potentially open up a final year salary dump trade on Williams.

Another is Lord pushing past Cincotta for that defensive half forward and mid rotation. Cincotta was great there late in the season when he played, and Lord showed great promise in his 2 matches. Challenge should be laid down.

At the moment my very early crow for 2025 is:

• Fantasia out, Tyson Gresham (NGA) in
• Pittonet out (if above is met), Jack Ison (NGA) in

1 more delisting needed to upgrade Cincotta and replace with a rookie, let alone any FA/trade acquisitions. Plenty to play out still obviously.

Yep, projecting, if TDK has the year most of us expect, Pitto will only get spasmodic senior game time. Should O’Keeffe and to a lesser extent Lemmey develop as they probably should given they will be in their third years, Pitto could become surplus, and almost certainly and rightfully would seek senior opportunity elsewhere. The status of Lewis Young may have some impact here. Young is a capable ruck when deployed there. His chances of surviving the cut in 2025 could well be dependent on his versatility. While we will be looking to make list spots available at season’s end, the same will be the case at the end of ‘26.

Most of us would have Fantasia as a delisting post ‘25, Pitto becomes quite a logical trade option. Further cuts will be prioritised through the year. Doc, Saad, McGovern and Newman as the elder statesmen, some of whom have and still do have injury issues as well as developing players a chance to go past them. Haynes only on a one year deal and as old as any will need a stellar year to extend. Kempy had suitors so form dependent, may become a trade option (heaven forbid) and it remains to be seen how/if Voss will use JSOS. Do Lemmey and/or Wilson come on as hoped?

Ison as a third tall, perhaps even getting to KPP size is an interesting prospect, surely more likely than not to be taken up. Gresham has played some prominent Coates League games as an underager, despite being a midget. If he manages a growth spurt to take him to similar physical stature as his big brother, he will likely become highly sought after, but clearly plays a role we almost certainly would want to upgrade. As mentioned Cincotta will need an upgrade to remain, which surely would be desired.

We maybe need a fourth vacancy for a draft or trade/ free agency addition, but there appear to be sufficient avenues to do this.

 

[Coops93]

Are we still talking about Kemp playing midfield?

 

[Stamos]

I would have expected announcements on the Carrolls and Durdin by now.

 

[Beyond Blue]

He has clean, fast hands, he has burst from congestion, agility, keeps the ball ticking over and pretty good vision for a long pass by foot.

You're just so used to watching him track in a defensive zone or forcing a pack up forward you've forgotten what he looks like when he gets to dictate his own movement, but you're doing so with an enormous amount of bias:



I dunno how you're not seeing it. Again, I ask you to name a specific thing you feel he can't do in a hypothetical midfield role that he's not already been doing in a variety of defensive roles.


It all comes down to his ability to apply tactics and read the tap to help his team get an effective clearance, something we haven't really done outside of dominant taps/unblocked runs or TDK breaking open the play, so it's not like the bar can be any lower.

For what it’s worth Jimmae SkyhorseTamer I hope you are both right. I just can’t see him being a midfielder unless it’s as a wingman. IMO his best (and probably last) chance of making it is as a third forward.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Yep, projecting, if TDK has the year most of us expect, Pitto will only get spasmodic senior game time. Should O’Keeffe and to a lesser extent Lemmey develop as they probably should given they will be in their third years, Pitto could become surplus, and almost certainly and rightfully would seek senior opportunity elsewhere. The status of Lewis Young may have some impact here. Young is a capable ruck when deployed there. His chances of surviving the cut in 2025 could well be dependent on his versatility. While we will be looking to make list spots available at season’s end, the same will be the case at the end of ‘26.

Most of us would have Fantasia as a delisting post ‘25, Pitto becomes quite a logical trade option. Further cuts will be prioritised through the year. Doc, Saad, McGovern and Newman as the elder statesmen, some of whom have and still do have injury issues as well as developing players a chance to go past them. Haynes only on a one year deal and as old as any will need a stellar year to extend. Kempy had suitors so form dependent, may become a trade option (heaven forbid) and it remains to be seen how/if Voss will use JSOS. Do Lemmey and/or Wilson come on as hoped?

Ison as a third tall, perhaps even getting to KPP size is an interesting prospect, surely more likely than not to be taken up. Gresham has played some prominent Coates League games as an underager, despite being a midget. If he manages a growth spurt to take him to similar physical stature as his big brother, he will likely become highly sought after, but clearly plays a role we almost certainly would want to upgrade. As mentioned Cincotta will need an upgrade to remain, which surely would be desired.

We maybe need a fourth vacancy for a draft or trade/ free agency addition, but there appear to be sufficient avenues to do this.

Reckon there will be a fair few players that could be traded depending on the circumstances.

Binns is contracted but if he's continues to dominate vfl without much afl opportunitty will almost certainly ask for a trade and have some interest.

Kemp a big chance to move. If he doesn't get much opportunitty he'll go and if he comes on he may get an offer to good for us to match.

Cerra might just be to big a risk for us to offer a big money long contract too and he will have suitors ready to take the risk. Unless he can put together a close to complete season you almost need to put a line through him.

Motlop another who would get interest whether he has a good year or not. You'd think Pitto asks for a trade if TDK stays fit and plays most the year as sole ruck.

Gov and Saad should stay but have had their pay day and will need to be willing to stay for less money. If they want to chase another cheque could see them going. Same with Hewett who could also get squeezed out of the 22 if we want a quicker mix.

Lemmey needs to take a big step forward to stay on the list. Durdin could be payed out a year early if he has a poor year. Young on the chopping block.

Wilson should get extended. Would need a seriously poor year to be delisted.

So many possibilities. I think we are at the stage of our list build where more good players start to get squeezed out. It'll be tough at times but also a sign of our side getting stronger and we'll actually get something for the players leaving.

 

[Bletch]

I would have expected announcements on the Carrolls and Durdin by now.

Only thing I can think of is that there is still a pick trade in play, and they want to see what happens with that?

Have till 31st, but that's also the cut off for delisted players to nominate for the draft(s), so you'd think that they'd give any delisted players the opportunity to do so.

 

[Bletch]

The big watch for me heading into this season is our internal growth.

If the youth can stand up it really opens up our options and creates great list depth and structure.

I'd be hoping that O'Keeffe (first ruck) and Lemmey (key fwd/second ruck) can make big gains this year, so they are trusted as the back ups to TDK and Harry in 2026, thus making Pittonet expendable.

Another is Motlop pushing past Williams as the best deep small forward option. This will help our list balance and may potentially open up a final year salary dump trade on Williams.

Another is Lord pushing past Cincotta for that defensive half forward and mid rotation. Cincotta was great there late in the season when he played, and Lord showed great promise in his 2 matches. Challenge should be laid down.

At the moment my very early crow for 2025 is:

• Fantasia out, Tyson Gresham (NGA) in
• Pittonet out (if above is met), Jack Ison (NGA) in

1 more delisting needed to upgrade Cincotta and replace with a rookie, let alone any FA/trade acquisitions. Plenty to play out still obviously.

With our first pick at the draft likely to be in the late 30s, I don't see us making as many changes next year as we have this year. With a few NGA/F-S options, we may just stick to those (Ison most likely, Gresham, and then Clarke, Harvey Allan, Charlie Beaumont, Harry Dean, Archer Hogg). Most of those aren't likely based on the underage season, but who knows.

Prob pick up a free agent or two, and be looking at ~5-6 list changes.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I would have expected announcements on the Carrolls and Durdin by now.

Only thing I can think of is that there is still a pick trade in play, and they want to see what happens with that?

Could be waiting on another club in case someone of interest becomes available?

 

[bradfisher14]

Only thing I can think of is that there is still a pick trade in play, and they want to see what happens with that?

Have till 31st, but that's also the cut off for delisted players to nominate for the draft(s), so you'd think that they'd give any delisted players the opportunity to do so.

If I was in the players shoes I'd want to know as soon as possible. Pretty poor from the club to wait this long imo.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Pretty poor from the club to wait this long imo.

I'd think the players concerned know where they stand

 

[JJBagger]

If I was in the players shoes I'd want to know as soon as possible. Pretty poor from the club to wait this long imo.

If they’ve kept the players updated on what’s happening, then i couldnt care less. I imagine they are professional enough to understand the business

 

[marcmurphy3]

I would have expected announcements on the Carrolls and Durdin by now.

Yeah most clubs have been doing it over the last few days.

 

[marcmurphy3]

If they’ve kept the players updated on what’s happening, then i couldnt care less. I imagine they are professional enough to understand the business

Yep they would know for sure. The fact it hasn't been announced has nothing to do with whether the players know.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Who says Zerk Thatcher is a spud. What's that? Everybody? Oh, OK then.

Who cares if he is or isn't when Tom Clurey is the player we are concerned about? It just serves as obfuscation.

 

[PezzDogg95]

Why Cinc? He plays a valuable role, has pace, penetrating kick, tough as nails, can break lines & kicked ass as a stopper.
IMO Lord takes Hewetts spot from day 1, our mid field needs an update, Lord & pick 3 does that.
Cinc also has one other quality - he never stops trying! Doesn’t drop his head, just keeps at it & gives his all every single time.

Love Cincotta, if I am picking the team, he is there as that half fwd and mid rotation every week.

Cinc is will be 28 turning 29 next season, and Lord is 19 turning 20. My post was moreso about laying down the challenge to the younger players to go claim a spot in the team. Cinc will be at Carlton in 2026 and will be promoted onto senior list next year.

Also I think Cerra has that defensive mid role over George if his hamstrings hold up. Ben Camporeale in the reserves preparing for that role too.

Loved Lord's tackling pressure both in midfield and in F50. Think half fwd/mid is his go for a couple of years before we think about full time midfield.

 

[bradfisher14]

It's why he is better suited as a forward, if he is going to make it

I can understand why you'd have that view, but I think improvement in those areas would help him no matter what position he is asked to play.

I think he needs to make a commitment to make it in one role and I think the best one for him is as a third tall defender with license to go for marks/provide attacking run. Similar to what we saw from him in the Gold Coast game in 2023. The problem is that the MC are committed to playing McGov in that role. I would move Mitch forward and put Brodie down back.

 

[PezzDogg95]

Yep, projecting, if TDK has the year most of us expect, Pitto will only get spasmodic senior game time. Should O’Keeffe and to a lesser extent Lemmey develop as they probably should given they will be in their third years, Pitto could become surplus, and almost certainly and rightfully would seek senior opportunity elsewhere. The status of Lewis Young may have some impact here. Young is a capable ruck when deployed there. His chances of surviving the cut in 2025 could well be dependent on his versatility. While we will be looking to make list spots available at season’s end, the same will be the case at the end of ‘26.

Most of us would have Fantasia as a delisting post ‘25, Pitto becomes quite a logical trade option. Further cuts will be prioritised through the year. Doc, Saad, McGovern and Newman as the elder statesmen, some of whom have and still do have injury issues as well as developing players a chance to go past them. Haynes only on a one year deal and as old as any will need a stellar year to extend. Kempy had suitors so form dependent, may become a trade option (heaven forbid) and it remains to be seen how/if Voss will use JSOS. Do Lemmey and/or Wilson come on as hoped?

Ison as a third tall, perhaps even getting to KPP size is an interesting prospect, surely more likely than not to be taken up. Gresham has played some prominent Coates League games as an underager, despite being a midget. If he manages a growth spurt to take him to similar physical stature as his big brother, he will likely become highly sought after, but clearly plays a role we almost certainly would want to upgrade. As mentioned Cincotta will need an upgrade to remain, which surely would be desired.

We maybe need a fourth vacancy for a draft or trade/ free agency addition, but there appear to be sufficient avenues to do this.

HOK and Lemmey are more like for like with TDK and McKay than Pitto. This means less chopping and changing to the system and structure when they have to step in - which will benefit team cohesion. I really hope they come on to at least be reliable depth in 2025 onwards.

Interesting point re: Young. Contracted to 2026 and if no takers this year, I doubt many will line up for him next year unless he has an uptick in form in which case we will probably keep him to his contract for a year.

Ison already at 190cm, and from reports is quite athletic and loves a mark. My thinking is Charlie Curnow understudy as a mobile key forward.

 

[Blue since 72]

Are we still talking about Kemp playing midfield?

It's a rumour, allegedly.

 

[ctwenty1]

Cotters 2027
Fogarty 2026
Fanta 2025*
ZW 2026
C.Durdin 2026
Motlop 2025*

*only likely changes from those listed. Still years on the books in most cases.

Cant imagine Zac being offered the same coin if he stays. Next two years would need to be abslutely amazing form him - but I cant see it happeing.

 

[marcmurphy3]

The Kemp to midfield discussion is like the Walker to midfield discussion. Will happen every year he's still on the list. Although in Walkers case he had actually shown he could play midfield in patches.

I personally think the Kemp conundrum is pretty simple.

His best position is as a 3rd tall defender. It's the role he's shown the most in at VFL level, at AFL level and the role he spent a lot of his junior career playing. Another club recently targeted him to specifically fill that role. Even his manager said that Kemp sees that as his best position. That doesn't mean he couldn't play another position but all evidence points to 3rd tall
defence being the role he's most suited to.

The issue is we currently have Gov in that role so he's being forced to be the 2nd KPD, which he is less suited too. Some weeks he can get away with it more then others depending on the opponent. To stay in the 22 he either needs to adapt to that role, find a new role or replace Gov. Will be interesting which avenue the club takes.

I do think he could be a 3rd tall forward. My only concern is that structurally the trend more often is not to have a genuine marking 3rd tall but a couple of medium forwards who can mark and crumb. Moir/Jack Martin

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Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

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Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

type rather then the Gunston type.