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[katmanblue]

We Should.
Closest thing to a 'sure thing' (and as Arr0w said - 'genuine') KPD I reckon.

I was being facetious.

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[Arr0w]

Same I think too. But April is only round 4. Probably need an in season injury or a season ending injury to open another spot

I believe we can add a player to the LTI, if deemed to miss a minimum of 6 games

 

[katmanblue]

Needs to be out for season for us to replace him

It's 6 weeks.

I'm not clear if 6 weeks of preseason counts or if it's 6 weeks of competition.

26.4 Duration on Long Term Injury List (a) An injured Player transferred to a Club’s Long Term Injury List is ineligible to play in the AFL Competition or a State Body competition for a minimum period of 6 weeks, commencing from the day on which the General Counsel gives his approval for the injured Player to transfer to the Club’s Long Term Injury List.

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[Soapy V]

It's 6 weeks.

I'm not clear if 6 weeks of preseason counts or if it's 6 weeks of competition.

26.4 Duration on Long Term Injury List (a) An injured Player transferred to a Club’s Long Term Injury List is ineligible to play in the AFL Competition or a State Body competition for a minimum period of 6 weeks, commencing from the day on which the General Counsel gives his approval for the injured Player to transfer to the Club’s Long Term Injury List.

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But you can’t replace them unless you have the spare spot?

Or are we saying that if a player goes down for 6 weeks or more we can add them to our list for that period?

 

[Coona Blues]

But you can’t replace them unless you have the spare spot?

Or are we saying that if a player goes down for 6 weeks or more we can add them to our list for that period?

Pretty sure there is a distinction between LTI which allows a Cat B rookie to play and the INACTIVE LIST.

 

[Soapy V]

Pretty sure there is a distinction between LTI which allows a Cat B rookie to play and the INACTIVE LIST.

So I am assuming I’m right saying a player out for 6 weeks can’t be replaced with SSP?

 

[Bletch]

Coona has it right. The LTI is a hangover from days gone by, it's no longer relevant. Rookies (inc. Cat-B) can play any time now.

To add an extra player via SSP or MSD (beyond the 42 player limit), a current player has to be placed on the Inactive list, which prevents them playing again in that season.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

I don’t buy that any deals or promises have been done. We have two spots available and at least one will be a KPD which we need.

There was no one obvious for us to give a spot so we have given Phillips Durdin DGB a crack at the spot and a pre season to prove themselves. IMO it’s really that simple

As for VFL if you have a fit list you then have multiple players filling certain spots. It’s call depth. The issue is how many are fit each week?

We also have Carroll White trialling over the pre season and theoretically we can pick a player from anywhere if they have nominated

It’s also possible we only fill one spot and leave one for the mid season

There is 4-6 weeks left and a lot can happen yet. IMO I don’t believe the club knows what it will do yet

I appreciate all that Soapy, but it still doesn't explain why a player pushing to be drafted on an AFL list commits to a side where he's not even guaranteed a game.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that....I don't wish to start any debates, but still find it quite odd.

 

[Bletch]

I believe we can add a player to the LTI, if deemed to miss a minimum of 6 gamesView attachment 2188169

This is out of date.

Current (2024) rules:

 

[Soapy V]

This is out of date.

Current (2024) rules:

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Thanks. That’s what I thought

 

[Arr0w]

This is out of date.

Current (2024) rules:

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Cheers Bletch, wasn't certain

Interesting that the deadline is the midseason draft

Anyway, I'd still sign Phillips now, rather than hoping Durdin stays on the park. 24 games in 7 seasons doesn't give me any confidence

 

[Bletch]

One thing I wasn't aware of looking at this, is that it is possible for an Inactive List player to return that season (under 26.5). But there has to be a list spot available. Only way this can occur is if someone else goes on to the Inactive List, or if the original player wasn't replaced.

To be clear - the difference between the rule now and the old rule, is that you can't bring in a new player (say via MSD), and then remove that player to bring back the original, Inactive List player.

 

[Soapy V]

One thing I wasn't aware of looking at this, is that it is possible for an Inactive List player to return that season (under 26.5). But there has to be a list spot available. Only way this can occur is if someone else goes on to the Inactive List, or if the original player wasn't replaced.

To be clear - the difference between the rule now and the old rule, is that you can't bring in a new player (say via MSD), and then remove that player to bring back the original, Inactive List player.

Exactly. So Cincotta can’t be put on LTI, replaced for 6 weeks and then come back. Simple

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

A number of people pushing for Phillips and fair enough. Looks exactly what we need

The question still for me is we offered Durdin Carroll and DBG train on spots and not Phillips I know we can still pick him but seems down the order?

I’ll be very interested how this plays out. Talk internally is that Durdin is still preference if he gets through. Phillips in VFL may be back up come mid season if he breaks down?

I’m honestly not sure our thinking

The problem for me Soap is with Durdin is that he’s body hasn’t stood up to VFL level, now that has some substantial evidence tin which his body might not just be able to withstand the loadings to play at the highest level, on the flip side it may part of the problem with the people in our high performance program, atm we are only guessing…

Carroll looked a good rookie selection last season, a third tall/rebounding type who had good footy nous, lockdown his opponent whilst also providing the skills in the air and ground level in rebounding from defense and further up the ground..
I kind of hope he shows his skills during preseason, gets a clear run from being injured all year…

Phillips imo should be a no brainer for our list, DGB has some great traits but his main flaw still he hasn’t improved his contested one on one area of his game, which is a little disappointing, the major flaw atm holding him back from a good AFL career… hope he can sort it out…

 

[Soapy V]

The problem for me Soap is with Durdin is that he’s body hasn’t stood up to VFL level, now that has some substantial evidence tin which his body might not just be able to withstand the loadings to play at the highest level, on the flip side it may part of the problem with the people in our high performance program, atm we are only guessing…

Carroll looked a good rookie selection last season, a third tall/rebounding type who had good footy nous, lockdown his opponent whilst also providing the skills in the air and ground level in rebounding from defense and further up the ground..
I kind of hope he shows his skills during preseason, gets a clear run from being injured all year…

Phillips imo should be a no brainer for our list, DGB has some great traits but his main flaw still he hasn’t improved his contested one on one area of his game, which is a little disappointing, the major flaw atm holding him back from a good AFL career… hope he can sort it out…

I’m not advocating for any of them. Just looking at reasons why and why not.

I honestly am not fussed who we pick. I’ll leave that up to the experts.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

The problem for me Soap is with Durdin is that he’s body hasn’t stood up to VFL level, now that has some substantial evidence tin which his body might not just be able to withstand the loadings to play at the highest level, on the flip side it may part of the problem with the people in our high performance program, atm we are only guessing…

Carroll looked a good rookie selection last season, a third tall/rebounding type who had good footy nous, lockdown his opponent whilst also providing the skills in the air and ground level in rebounding from defense and further up the ground..
I kind of hope he shows his skills during preseason, gets a clear run from being injured all year…

Phillips imo should be a no brainer for our list, DGB has some great traits but his main flaw still he hasn’t improved his contested one on one area of his game, which is a little disappointing, the major flaw atm holding him back from a good AFL career… hope he can sort it out…

Not sure why we're bothering with Durdin. So very slow. Slow thinking, slow moving. Just slow. And injured all the time. Lovely fella I'm sure but zero AFL attributes.

 

[Lukey Skywalker]

Not sure why we're bothering with Durdin. So very slow. Slow thinking, slow moving. Just slow. And injured all the time. Lovely fella I'm sure but zero AFL attributes.

Totally agree, injuries aside I haven't seen him perform on the big stage.. big jump from playing on undersized key forwards in the Vfl to 200cm athletic forwards in the AFL.

 

[Soapy V]

Totally agree, injuries aside I haven't seen him perform on the big stage.. big jump from playing on undersized key forwards in the Vfl to 200cm athletic forwards in the AFL.

Go watch him at training against Charlie & Harry. Even in the match sim Last week he looked great.

Totally agree about injury concerns and it would be a gamble to pick him but the guy can play. That’s the reason why they are giving every opportunity

 

[Lukey Skywalker]

Go watch him at training against Charlie & Harry. Even in the match sim Last week he looked great.

Totally agree about injury concerns and it would be a gamble to pick him but the guy can play. That’s the reason why they are giving every opportunity

That be hard as I live on South Coast NSW ! LOL . Training & match sim would be different to matchday as he would know Charlie & Harrys leading patterns. Just my personal opinion as I haven't seen a lot to warrant him still being on the list. I hope I'm proved wrong as we def need a big bodied back up key defender. Merry xmas

 

[Aphrodite]

Silvagni, Kemp among Blues eyeing positional switches

Michael Voss looks at two Blues who are swapping ends this pre-season.

www.carltonfc.com.au

AFTER Brodie Kemp revealed a fortnight ago that a move to the forward line was in the offing, AFL Senior Coach Michael Voss has confirmed another potential positional switch for the Blues.

With Kemp’s switch to attack, Voss flagged that Jack Silvagni - who is continuing his recovery from a knee injury - would spend the summer training as a defender.

 

[katmanblue]

But you can’t replace them unless you have the spare spot?

Or are we saying that if a player goes down for 6 weeks or more we can add them to our list for that period?

I'm not sure, but i think it's a loophole to get an extra on the list. It's what happened when we got Boyd.

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[Bletch]

I'm not sure, but i think it's a loophole to get an extra on the list. It's what happened when we got Boyd.

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No loophole. We got Boyd via the 2021 Mid-season Draft. Think it was Philp that was put on the Inactive List to create a spot for Boyd iirc.

If Philp had later suddenly got better and able to play, he wouldn't have been able to, as our list was full, and we couldn't remove Boyd again to make way for him.

 

[Garters]

Disingenious of him to claim we got a good chance to look at out younger players back end of last year and that only incremental gains are made from your mature part of the list but step change comes from your younger part of the list. All while he refused to play kids unless forced, dropped them as soon as senior players were back regardless of form or team balance and stacked a finals team full of underdone seniors when the kids were champing at the bit and playing good footy. Actions louder than words and all that.

Revisionist summary to a degree by Voss to say the least. As long as he has genuinely learnt from the cluster **** that was the management of team selection back end of last / management of getting games into the kids and not just giving it pre season lip service. Time will tell. Hope my cynicism is ill founded.

 

[katmanblue]

No loophole. We got Boyd via the 2021 Mid-season Draft. Think it was Philp that was put on the Inactive List to create a spot for Boyd iirc.

If Philp had later suddenly got better and able to play, he wouldn't have been able to, as our list was full, and we couldn't remove Boyd again to make way for him.

There was one point where we had someone on the lti and brought someone in, but then that player recovered and was available. So we had more rookies than were strictly allowed with list rules.

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[Bletch]

There was one point where we had someone on the lti and brought someone in, but then that player recovered and was available. So we had more rookies than were strictly allowed with list rules.

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You can have more rookies than allowed. Sorta... In the example above, Philp was a primary listed player. Boyd replaced him, but Boyd goes on the rookie list. So at that point we have 7 rookies, when maximum is 6. But it's compensated by having one less primary list player.

The LTI hasn't been used for quite a number of years. Don't recall when it was phased out, maybe 2017ish? All that did was to allow rookie players to play senior footy for the period (at least 6 weeks) that the injured senior list player was on the LTI. At that point the LTI player could come back, but the rookie player returned to the rookie list and could not play. That of course changed when rookie list players were allowed to be selected at any time (and a couple of years later, same with Cat-B).