2nd Test Border Gavaskar Trophy December 6-10 1430hrs @ Adelaide Oval

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They've actually gone with boland and then marnus/head to carry the 5th bowling load if needed. That is a very old team. They'd be hoping for a 3 day test.
 
It remains harder to get out of this team than into it.

That saying really is true, mainly for batsmen though. Bowlers like Bichel, Kasprowicz, Boland etc etc were/are the injury replacements and there's usually a few for the quicks.

The problem is with cricket that it can be too stats driven. It's hard to drop guys like Smith and Marnus because of their averages, on form Marnus should be out but he averages nearly 50 at Test level still, they'll probably be thinking it's hard to drop him for someone who doesn't average over 40 in FC cricket.
 
Heard on the radio he's going to bowl at training tomorrow. You really need a 5th bowler at Adelaide, especially if we lose the toss
Really ???? its a pink ball test you would think you only go with 4 specialists for this test due to the conditions.

The 5th bowler would be needed more on the flatter decks of the MCG and SCG IMO

The toss though will be crucial
 

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Really ???? its a pink ball test you would think you only go with 4 specialists for this test due to the conditions.

The 5th bowler would be needed more on the flatter decks of the MCG and SCG IMO

The toss though will be crucial

Sorry when I say 5th bowler I mean 5th genuine option with the ball (ie an all rounder), not a Marnus or Head
 
Bland selections again with no eye for the future. Bolands Boxing Day spell will live on forever but he’s just not the guy. Abbott and Doggett also in the squad is f*cking hilarious as well when we have younger blokes with more to offer.

Batting order is a slight issue given there’s basically no replacements putting their hand up but why not change it up and give Inglis a go as a batsman? Actually try to create some sort of accountability.

The selection panel isn’t far enough removed from the players to have an objective view.
 
Heard on the radio he's going to bowl at training tomorrow. You really need a 5th bowler at Adelaide, especially if we lose the toss

We have McSweeney and Head who bowl and Smith can bowl some pies if need be. Marnie’s rubbish is there too.

We shouldn’t need a 5th bowler
 
Bland selections again with no eye for the future. Bolands Boxing Day spell will live on forever but he’s just not the guy. Abbott and Doggett also in the squad is f*cking hilarious as well when we have younger blokes with more to offer.

Batting order is a slight issue given there’s basically no replacements putting their hand up but why not change it up and give Inglis a go as a batsman? Actually try to create some sort of accountability.

The selection panel isn’t far enough removed from the players to have an objective view.

The younger bowlers unfortunately are all injured especially Buckingham who is have picked personally. Which younger bowler do you want them to pick right now?
 
Really ???? its a pink ball test you would think you only go with 4 specialists for this test due to the conditions.

The 5th bowler would be needed more on the flatter decks of the MCG and SCG IMO

The toss though will be crucial
The MCG hasnt exactly been flat recently. I’d agree you need a 5th bowler more in the regular tests than the day/night
 
That saying really is true, mainly for batsmen though. Bowlers like Bichel, Kasprowicz, Boland etc etc were/are the injury replacements and there's usually a few for the quicks.

The problem is with cricket that it can be too stats driven. It's hard to drop guys like Smith and Marnus because of their averages, on form Marnus should be out but he averages nearly 50 at Test level still, they'll probably be thinking it's hard to drop him for someone who doesn't average over 40 in FC cricket.

You raise a good point. As hard as test cricket is if you keep getting picked you generally get a favourable wicket, stage of the game or opponent where you can make runs.
 
a nearly 34 year old quick in hazlewood breaks down after one game

australian selectors - "lets pick the 35 year old bloke whos played one shield game and went wicketless against the same mob last week"

makes sense
 
a nearly 34 year old quick in hazlewood breaks down after one game

australian selectors - "lets pick the 35 year old bloke whos played one shield game and went wicketless against the same mob last week"

makes sense

Again who would you pick there aren’t many younger options that are fit. Let’s not pretend Doggett or Abbott are long term options
 

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a nearly 34 year old quick in hazlewood breaks down after one game

australian selectors - "lets pick the 35 year old bloke whos played one shield game and went wicketless against the same mob last week"

makes sense

Boland is a proven international cricketer, while he’s not in the best form, we know that at his best he is more than good enough. Currently, the leading wicket taker in the Shield is Jackson Bird. As is the case with the opening batter spot, there is no one at the level below screaming to be picked. Given that context, backing the proven guy to find form is a pretty sensible choice.

Who would you have instead? I guarantee you I can make an argument just as credible why they’d be a bad pick. There simply isn’t the depth in Australian cricket at the moment that we need there to be.
 
Again who would you pick there aren’t many younger options that are fit. Let’s not pretend Doggett or Abbott are long term options

Joel Paris. 31 isnt too old. Career ave 19.47, this season averaging 12.8 in the shield, left armer who swings it both ways and just took 5 fa with the pink ball in a day night shield game at the same venue last week.
 
Joel Paris. 31 isnt too old. Career ave 19.47, this season averaging 12.8 in the shield, left armer who swings it both ways and just took 5 fa with the pink ball in a day night shield game at the same venue last week.
Paris has been unlucky, sure, but you can’t really argue he’s the future at this stage. Hopefully Richardson, Bartlett and Morris can stay fit in the near future.

Picking Big Sexy for one or 2 tests against India isn’t the problem.
 
Joel Paris. 31 isnt too old. Career ave 19.47, this season averaging 12.8 in the shield, left armer who swings it both ways and just took 5 fa with the pink ball in a day night shield game at the same venue last week.

We aren’t playing two left armers for starters and he can barely stay fit himself. We have Starc to do what Paris does but better
 
Paris has been unlucky, sure, but you can’t really argue he’s the future at this stage. Hopefully Richardson, Bartlett and Morris can stay fit in the near future.

Picking Big Sexy for one or 2 tests against India isn’t the problem.

if we were 3-0 up or 3-0 down i would probably agree with you, pick someone who may be the future. but were 1-0 down after being embarrassed in perth. in this situation you dont pick for the future you pick to win and should pick people in form.

We aren’t playing two left armers for starters and he can barely stay fit himself. We have Starc to do what Paris does but better

whats the difference between playing two left armers and playing two right armers? and we shouldnt pick someone who's currently fit because they havent been fit in the past? using that logic cummins never would have played for australia again after 2011
 
if we were 3-0 up or 3-0 down i would probably agree with you, pick someone who may be the future. but were 1-0 down after being embarrassed in perth. in this situation you dont pick for the future you pick to win and should pick people in form.



whats the difference between playing two left armers and playing two right armers? and we shouldnt pick someone who's currently fit because they havent been fit in the past? using that logic cummins never would have played for australia again after 2011

Variety in your attack is the key, two guys doing the same isn’t variety. It’s why this current attack is so good, you have Starc the lefty then Cummins seams it a bit each way, Haze has the height and swings it a fraction early. If Starc was out, he’d be a chance. No chance replacing Hazelwood
 
Variety in your attack is the key, two guys doing the same isn’t variety. It’s why this current attack is so good, you have Starc the lefty then Cummins seams it a bit each way, Haze has the height and swings it a fraction early. If Starc was out, he’d be a chance. No chance replacing Hazelwood

agree to disagree

hopefully boland will go out and make me look like an idiot but i feel its the wrong call
 
Paris has been unlucky, sure, but you can’t really argue he’s the future at this stage. Hopefully Richardson, Bartlett and Morris can stay fit in the near future.

Picking Big Sexy for one or 2 tests against India isn’t the problem.
If Boland is 35 Paris is in the mix...

No issue with Boland playing this test...but Dogget is 30 Abbot is 32.....paris I rate a lot more than those two
 
We have lost easily our best bowler so you'd want someone you know can do a job (Boland). I wouldn't want an inexperienced bowler coming in being carried by 2 blokes averaging 28 and 31 (last 2 years) and an unfit Marsh.
 
Variety in your attack is the key, two guys doing the same isn’t variety. It’s why this current attack is so good, you have Starc the lefty then Cummins seams it a bit each way, Haze has the height and swings it a fraction early. If Starc was out, he’d be a chance. No chance replacing Hazelwood
Luke it doesn't matter if they bowl left or right.... just pick the best....if they are two right or two left who cares
 
We have lost easily our best bowler so you'd want someone you know can do a job (Boland). I wouldn't want an inexperienced bowler coming in being carried by 2 blokes averaging 28 and 31 (last 2 years) and an unfit Marsh.
If paris was called into the team he would go okay ....he is a very good bowler ..rate him more than Abott or Doggett
 
Luke it doesn't matter if they bowl left or right.... just pick the best....if they are two right or two left who cares

Paris isn’t near a chance. The reality is Buckingham is injured same with Neser. Both would be ahead of the two picked.
 

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