4th Test Border Gavaskar Trophy December 26-30 1000hrs @ the MCG

[Run n Spread]

5, maybe 6 changes? I don’t think so.

With Hazlewood injured and Marsh under a cloud as well as Head 3 would be forces.
One change already to the squad.
Other 2 aren't performing.
Nothing wrong with change. Depth is there but they never get a look in.

 

[Run n Spread]

He has the tools to be.

I dont think he is ever going to be destroying batting line ups with the ball for a couple of reasons: he’s injury prone so he will always be managed carefully as far as his bowling goes, Australia will probably always have a decent attack so he’s never going to HAVE to be that guy. The West Indies for example have had 6-12 month periods where Jason Holder was their best bowler. Green will probably never have to be that.
Also he has the physical attributes - height, good pace, but he doesn’t (yet) strike me as having the bowling nous of a specialist. That could change though.

As far as his batting goes I think he could easily average 45.

That in itself isn’t superstar level but it’s world class and if he’s taking a wicket or two a game then it makes him very valuable

45 you'd take. But what's he average now? 35ish? Not convinced he's ceiling is that much higher. Rate him a bit better than m Marsh.
Depending on how much you need the 5th bowler I'd move Carey up to the top 6 and play a bowling ar at 7 and if they offer a legitimate threat as a bowler and can manage a batting average of 30 or so you'd take that ahead of a mid 30s bat and a handy but non strike bowler.

 

[Westend]

45 you'd take. But what's he average now? 35ish? Not convinced he's ceiling is that much higher. Rate him a bit better than m Marsh.
Depending on how much you need the 5th bowler I'd move Carey up to the top 6 and play a bowling ar at 7 and if they offer a legitimate threat as a bowler and can manage a batting average of 30 or so you'd take that ahead of a mid 30s bat and a handy but non strike bowler.

Green is fine and is a walk up start in this team nd is till only 25 the best is yet to come

he shits all over Webster and Sutherland . Sutherland can't even get it over 130

Greenie at four and the team is so much better

 

[Westend]

45 you'd take. But what's he average now? 35ish? Not convinced he's ceiling is that much higher. Rate him a bit better than m Marsh.
Depending on how much you need the 5th bowler I'd move Carey up to the top 6 and play a bowling ar at 7 and if they offer a legitimate threat as a bowler and can manage a batting average of 30 or so you'd take that ahead of a mid 30s bat and a handy but non strike bowler.

he is an allrounder the hardest position in cricket

unless he's not making a 100 when he bats or taking 5 for when he bowls he gets criticised

back him in ffs

 

[Run n Spread]

Green is fine and is a walk up start in this team nd is till only 25 the best is yet to come

he shits all over Webster and Sutherland . Sutherland can't even get it over 130

Greenie at four and the team is so much better

He is a walk up on potential. I hardly think he shits over all the others. It's a close run thing.

 

[Run n Spread]

he is an allrounder the hardest position in cricket

unless he's not making a 100 when he bats or taking 5 for when he bowls he gets criticised

back him in ffs

Selection debates are part of Sport. Why not back in of the other 100 or so fc cricketers in. Or God forbid try someone new or make a change once in a while depending on form.

 

[Westend]

He is a walk up on potential. I hardly think he shits over all the others. It's a close run thing.

Nope he s**ts all over them

 

[Run n Spread]

Anyway I'm backing Konstas to.make 100 on debut. Just has that feeling about it.

 

[Westend]

Selection debates are part of Sport. Why not back in of the other 100 or so fc cricketers in. Or God forbid try someone new or make a change once in a while depending on form.

You are the one bagging green and bring up spuds in Sutherland over green ....please

 

[Pistol Night]

Anyway I'm backing Konstas to.make 100 on debut. Just has that feeling about it.

That would be awesome

 

[TommyD13]

When will Green be available to return? For the Windies series?

Problem will be what we do with he and Smith. One will have to bat [emoji6] or not play…

 

[PhatBoy]

45 you'd take. But what's he average now? 35ish? Not convinced he's ceiling is that much higher. Rate him a bit better than m Marsh.
Depending on how much you need the 5th bowler I'd move Carey up to the top 6 and play a bowling ar at 7 and if they offer a legitimate threat as a bowler and can manage a batting average of 30 or so you'd take that ahead of a mid 30s bat and a handy but non strike bowler.

He averages 47 over 60-odd games in first class cricket and that includes 20 something tests so it’s probably over 50 in domestic cricket. That suggests something over 40 should be attainable

 

[Run n Spread]

You are the one bagging green and bring up spuds in Sutherland over green ....please

Hardly bagged him just questioning if he is a walk up.start. Yet you call others spuds.
I mean Mitch Marsh was booed once for being selected but there is not a lot of difference between him and Green.
Marsh slightly better bowler Green slightly better bat.

 

[Pistol Night]

Hardly bagged him just questioning if he is a walk up.start. Yet you call others spuds.
I mean Mitch Marsh was booed once for being selected but there is not a lot of difference between him and Green.
Marsh slightly better bowler Green slightly better bat.

Green in his own league of catching

 

[Run n Spread]

Br interesting to see what India do. I'd have thought Ashwin would play in Melbourne or Sydney. Do they recall Washington Sundar as a 2nd spinning option for that no 8 spot or go.with Reddy who is a handy bat and medium pacer but may not threaten on the G.

 

[Run n Spread]

Green in his own league of catching

Is a gun fielder. Would nearly put him in slips.
For all the talk of his eye and hands I don't reckon Smith should be in slips. He seems to.drop a lot of catches.
Is Konstas a good fielder. I'd stick him in there instead of this ridiculous thing where bat pad is the first gamer. That is a an overrated position and waste of time but on occasion it should go to a specialist

 

[Pistol Night]

Is a gun fielder. Would nearly put him in slips.
For all the talk of his eye and hands I don't reckon Smith should be in slips. He seems to.drop a lot of catches

Yeah. takes the odd absolute screamer and then shells some sitters

 

[Cleavy]

Br interesting to see what India do. I'd have thought Ashwin would play in Melbourne or Sydney. Do they recall Washington Sundar as a 2nd spinning option for that no 8 spot or go.with Reddy who is a handy bat and medium pacer but may not threaten on the G.

I don't think they need to play 2 spinners at either venue, unless they feel that Jadeja isn't penetrative enough with the ball.

 

[Run n Spread]

I don't think they need to play 2 spinners at either venue, unless they feel that Jadeja isn't penetrative enough with the ball.

Reckon their best bet is to go baz ball go quickly and aggressively with the bat. As tempting as it is they can't afford to overbowl bumerah. Use him as a strike bowler a few overs at a time and use 2 spinners to tie down and stifle Australia. While not world beaters siraj and deep are solid enough back up. Leaves a option of a 5th bowler. Reddy while handy with the bat is not a bowl all day type or who can penetrative a flat wicket. I'd go Sundar who offers the same with the bat and can tie down an end. Jadega they underbowled in Brisbane.

 

[Golumless]

Like I said, I don’t disagree.

The issue is who plays if not Marsh, and then who takes the fifth bowler option.

Sydney and Melbourne will both need the fifth bowler.

I personally think Trav is under bowled. He is actually quite an attacking spinner who bowls with much more side spin than Lyon, and does turn it. Whether you want him bowling 10 overs is another story. But as a guy to take a couple of overs with the chance of a wicket he is a good option that is IMO under utilised.

I want Marnus nowhere near the bowling crease, unless he’s at silly mid on or off, or bowling leg spin.

Most of this is a non argument if Green is fit.

To the bold, absolutely. Green is easily in our top 6 bats. One of the few productive FC bats and has shown a bit at test level.

I don't think you shy away from Head, Smith or a Marnus here. It's really a guy you want to chew through a few overs when the game is in a lull.

45 you'd take. But what's he average now? 35ish? Not convinced he's ceiling is that much higher. Rate him a bit better than m Marsh.
Depending on how much you need the 5th bowler I'd move Carey up to the top 6 and play a bowling ar at 7 and if they offer a legitimate threat as a bowler and can manage a batting average of 30 or so you'd take that ahead of a mid 30s bat and a handy but non strike bowler.

Hardly bagged him just questioning if he is a walk up.start. Yet you call others spuds.
I mean Mitch Marsh was booed once for being selected but there is not a lot of difference between him and Green.
Marsh slightly better bowler Green slightly better bat.

Yeah, ~36.

I think 43-45 is a pretty safe bet for Green, seeing usually cricketers' batting tends to improve until peaking at 28-33. All it takes is a couple of good years and it'll get there. After all, the FC average is 47.

With bowling, Green has Marsh slightly covered on that front as well, seeing Mitch averages 39.8 with a 3.52 econ. Whereas, Green averages 35.31 with a 3.38 economy. Bit much of muchness with either, as both had series where they've bowled at a productive level, and periods where they've been picked apart. However, that probably comes with the territory of a 5th bowler as you're typically bowling to set batsmens.

 

[Black Diamond]

If Head and Marsh are both in doubt then they should be getting McSweeney back in there ASAP.

 

[Matrix10]

If Marsh is in doubt, he shouldn't play.

Even if Marsh is fit he shouldn’t play

 

[Cleavy]

If Head and Marsh are both in doubt then they should be getting McSweeney back in there ASAP.

agreed, but Inglis and Webster are still in the squad as backup bats.

 

[Run n Spread]

If Head and Marsh are both in doubt then they should be getting McSweeney back in there ASAP.

Reckon he was harshly treated but that is just stuffing around more and sending mixed messages. Patterson in for Head. Webster for Marsh

 

[big_e]

Green should give up bowling and focus on batting - similar career arc to Steve Waugh.

Good enough to average 45-50 at number 4 for the next 8-10 years, IMO.